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[haruki61]

Creighton72 wrote...

First it's not even a glitch, the falling part is a glitch, but the box itself is part of the map. You may as well ban the Banshees for getting on top of things, or for force pull, or for going through walls.

In fact it seems the Banshees have many glitches they exploit, ban them.

Exactly !!!  What a stupid thing to call that cheating.(although doing it is not really co-op move...)
If it's a glitch BW should fix that !

P.S. Would like to see what it looks like though, to see the hole map from above:).
Where exactly is that point on the map?

[BoomDynamite]

Raging Nug wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...
You lose the argument when you call somebody who sends you a formal, polite message "kid." It shows immaturity in insults. Also, exploiting a glitch like that one is against the Terms of Service, the thing you agreed to when you made your Origin account. Both of those reports are completely justified.

inb4lock.

Not really - the kid was taunting him. The message wasn't 'polite', it was brief and concise. That's not the same thing. If someone tells you that you've been reported for something harmless which most people don't even care about, you don't typically react with "Oh, what a fine chap! Thanks for that! :)".

It's the exploitation of a design flaw, and Priestly, Costa, or Abraham 'might' eventually come out of their shells to let us know if this is something we need to organize another witch hunt against the exploiters for, but they haven't. Frankly I don't see the big deal, but I'm a "Live and let live" kind of guy. Have fun with your pitchforks. :

So is the credit glitch (which also harms no one else), and people are getting banned for that.  Exploiting design flaws is part of the Terms of Service, and in that Terms of Service, it says you can be banned for it. Doing the Hydra glitch is a way that you can exploit design flaws, therefore it is a bannable offense.

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[GenericUserName9]

 Ok, so from this thread

Reasons why it's ok to use the Hydra map expoit

- You can only see 20% of the map, so you aren't gaining a LOS advantage to super-snipe
- You're only taking advantage of something that exists in the map, so using it is a legitimate move.
- It's not actively cheating.
- It's smart.
- It's fun to do.
- You can still be shot and killed; you aren't invulnerable.
- Banshee's and Phantom's can reach you with some of their attacks.
- You're not killstealing; you'll probably come last or low in the scorecard
- There's no ammo crate there.
- Not everyone can do it; you need to roll.
- Your increased safety means you can solo and trick your way to success if everyone else wipes
- If people have a problem with it, that's their problem, **** them.
- Being up there means you aren't exposed on objective rounds, draw aggro and have a back-up member if team wipes
- No need to use consumables
- Can see into one potential spawn point, maybe two
- Enemy AI can't understand and glitches at the box; KILLSTREAK EASYMODE
- Stop being a douche and have fun

Reasons why it's not ok

- You can only see 20% of the map, so you aren't contributing as much as you might from another preferred sniper spot
- You aren't playing the way the map was meant to be played, therefore it isn't a legitimate move.
- It's actively cheesy.
- It's dumb.
- It's not fun to have someone else do it to you.
- You can't be flanked, snuck up on by Hunters, meleed or shot from most angles; you are safer than non-exploiters
- Banshee's and Phantoms can go almost anywhere the player can go, so...
- You aren't contributing to the team effort when you could do better; you'll probably be last or low in the scorecard.
- If the 5 ammo refills you carry aren't enough, you can warp-cheat to the LZ.
- Not everyone can do it, you need to roll
- Your absence from the team means they might wipe and have to watch you solo and trick the wave for 20 minutes
- People will have problems with it.  **** you.
- Being up there on objective rounds makes it harder for everyone else
- Everyone else uses more consumables
- Moves the primary spawn point everyone normally strategises for
- Enemy AI can't understand and glitches out - FUN RUINED
- Stop being a douche and have fun

[mykejm]

Someone we were playing with went up there one of the early waves. Never did it occur to me to report him.

On the other hand, I wish there was a way to report players for being idiots. I don't know if it's because school is out in the U.S. but the number of morons in MP seems to have spiked.

[xJNPSx THE WAGN]

I feel ya man I hate when people are dicks.

[Raging Nug]

BoomDynamite wrote...
So is the credit glitch (which also harms no one else), and people are getting banned for that.  Exploiting design flaws is part of the Terms of Service, and in that Terms of Service, it says you can be banned for it. Doing the Hydra glitch is a way that you can exploit design flaws, therefore it is a bannable offense.

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If a Vanguard uses Biotic Charge and glitches out, but also becomes immortal/flies around the map drawing aggro for the team, is that not also an exploit? Should we ban people for playing the game and coming across these problems, or do you think it might be a better idea to simply fix the problem?

Reporting and banning these people doesn't help anyone, it just hurts the already-shrinking community. Like I said in another thread, unless you want to start getting to know one another on a first-name basis, live and let live - Bioware will either fix the problems or they won't, but a ban isn't the solution to this.

[smokesheller87]

IAMREALITY wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

You lose the argument when you call somebody who sends you a formal, polite message "kid." It shows immaturity in insults. Also, exploiting a glitch like that one is against the Terms of Service, the thing you agreed to when you made your Origin account. Both of those reports are completely justified.

inb4lock.

Look at you all high and mighty as if you know what you're talking about lol.  This isn't against the TOS, it isn't an exploit, and 99.9% of us would think someone who sent us a message like that was a total **** and would call him all sorts of names, so give it up.

No.  This isn't cheating.   Get over it.

So when did going off designed levels become legit? And I'm not talking about poorly programmed maps. Nothing will ever be perfect for the community. But to do this repeatedly and knowingly would be against the ToS. And from what I've read, might as well become a leech or just go do WGG if you want easy credits that bad  

[defleshing]

if you need to take advantage glitches your doing it wrong this game is easy enough without them.

[BoomDynamite]

Raging Nug wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...
So is the credit glitch (which also harms no one else), and people are getting banned for that.  Exploiting design flaws is part of the Terms of Service, and in that Terms of Service, it says you can be banned for it. Doing the Hydra glitch is a way that you can exploit design flaws, therefore it is a bannable offense.

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If a Vanguard uses Biotic Charge and glitches out, but also becomes immortal/flies around the map drawing aggro for the team, is that not also an exploit? Should we ban people for playing the game and coming across these problems, or do you think it might be a better idea to simply fix the problem?

Reporting and banning these people doesn't help anyone, it just hurts the already-shrinking community. Like I said in another thread, unless you want to start getting to know one another on a first-name basis, live and let live - Bioware will either fix the problems or they won't, but a ban isn't the solution to this.

The Vanguard problem isn't percieved as an exploit because you can't move or do DMG while in it. There's a difference between accidentally being stuck under the map and meaning to go inside the map. One's an exploit and the other is just simply a glitch. Also, you can easily get out of the Hydra glitch, but not the Vanguard one without exiting/re-entering.

[Dunsky5]

Grow up. Taking advantage of a glitch is not what i have in mind whenever i play that map. It infuriates me to no end seeing people up there because they basically said "I'm gonna be dead weight guys, you take it from here." If you just said "wooo guyz luuk wat i can do ooooo" and then got out, i would be a little more sympathetic but your childish crying just threw that out the window.

[Raging Nug]

BoomDynamite wrote...
The Vanguard problem isn't percieved as an exploit because you can't move or do DMG while in it. There's a difference between accidentally being stuck under the map and meaning to go inside the map. One's an exploit and the other is just simply a glitch. Also, you can easily get out of the Hydra glitch, but not the Vanguard one without exiting/re-entering.

It depends on how you use it. I had a Drell Vanguard dancing around the map, taking all the aggro away from my teammates and I. It was 'very' helpful - advantageous even. They're both glitches, but for some reason you've decided that one is an exploit and the other isn't. So what's the criteria, Dynamite, your say-so?

[Mindlog]

The only game I've ever voluntarily left early is when I saw a player making a mad dash for that stupid box.

You can use it all you like and I won't report you. However, if I don't leave immediately I'll be sandbagging. If you don't want to bother trying to play the game then why should I?

[BoomDynamite]

Raging Nug wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...
The Vanguard problem isn't percieved as an exploit because you can't move or do DMG while in it. There's a difference between accidentally being stuck under the map and meaning to go inside the map. One's an exploit and the other is just simply a glitch. Also, you can easily get out of the Hydra glitch, but not the Vanguard one without exiting/re-entering.

It depends on how you use it. I had a Drell Vanguard dancing around the map, taking all the aggro away from my teammates and I. It was 'very' helpful - advantageous even. They're both glitches, but for some reason you've decided that one is an exploit and the other isn't. So what's the criteria, Dynamite, your say-so?

Exploiting a glitch is when you use a glitch purposefully when the developers did not intend for you to. Is meant to give you an unfair advantage (credit glitching, getting off the map in Hydra and Dagger). Does not have to effect others, but can.

Being afflicted by a glitch is when a glitch affects you when you did not intend it to. Does not give you an unfair advantage. Does not have to effect others, but can. Examples are the Biotic Charge glitch, negative ammo (lag), and powers not working like Amplification in Concussive Shot. Repeat cases of the same glitch (accidentally doing the credit glitch) can be counted as exploits. Some glitches, like the Vanguard glitch, do not count as exploits because they have trade-offs. In the case of the Vanguard glitch, you trade invincibility and the ability to draw fire in exchange for inability to move and do much/no damage.

That's basically how I decide whether something is a glitch or an exploit.

Modifié par BoomDynamite, 12 juin 2012 - 12:48 .

[jrod512ATX]

If it was earlier this afternoon on Xbox I think I was in there. Honestly I didn't get a good look so I figured it was a decoy that glitches out of the map....no harm I guess...

[mikepaul]

So, if I managed to locate the exact spot on Firebase White where, every time I die, I'm transported to the extraction zone, and always stand there in an emergency, I'd be cheating?...

[Raging Nug]

"Does not give you a fair advantage."

Did you by chance mean unfair advantage? I don't want to assume you meant unfair and then look silly when you said what you meant to say.

[BoomDynamite]

Raging Nug wrote...

"Does not give you a fair advantage."

Did you by chance mean unfair advantage? I don't want to assume you meant unfair and then look silly when you said what you meant to say.

Yeah, I meant unfair. Will edit.

[BoomDynamite]

mikepaul wrote...

So, if I managed to locate the exact spot on Firebase White where, every time I die, I'm transported to the extraction zone, and always stand there in an emergency, I'd be cheating?...

Repeatedly doing it counts as an exploit an the devs have banned some people for doing that a lot.

[Raging Nug]

I was confused because the way I described the Drell Vanguard 'did' give the team an unfair advantage over the AI, same way the Hydra bug does, so by that criteria it falls under an exploit. If we were in a match and I used Biotic Charge the same way, say to compensate for my inability to actually hurt enemies, would you personally report me or another teammate? Why?

[BoomDynamite]

Raging Nug wrote...

I was confused because the way I described the Drell Vanguard 'did' give the team an unfair advantage over the AI, same way the Hydra bug does, so by that criteria it falls under an exploit. If we were in a match and I used Biotic Charge the same way, say to compensate for my inability to actually hurt enemies, would you personally report me or another teammate? Why?

I do not count the Vanguard Glitch as an exploit because it has trade-offs. Basically invincible and able to draw fire away in exchange for inability to move and do much damage. I should put that into the post.

[Creighton72]

haruki61 wrote...

Creighton72 wrote...

First it's not even a glitch, the falling part is a glitch, but the box itself is part of the map. You may as well ban the Banshees for getting on top of things, or for force pull, or for going through walls.

In fact it seems the Banshees have many glitches they exploit, ban them.

Exactly !!!  What a stupid thing to call that cheating.(although doing it is not really co-op move...)
If it's a glitch BW should fix that !

P.S. Would like to see what it looks like though, to see the hole map from above:).
Where exactly is that point on the map?

If you go to the ramp/walkway by the dam, at the very end is a drop off.  You will see a railing along the damn, do a forward role off the dropoff and onto the rail, then follow your nose. There are youtube clips for the Hydra glitch you can search for to show you exactly what it looks like. It's really nothing special.

[Malditor]

mikepaul wrote...

So, if I managed to locate the exact spot on Firebase White where, every time I die, I'm transported to the extraction zone, and always stand there in an emergency, I'd be cheating?...

Yes, because you are purposefully exploiting the glitch.

[Malditor]

BoomDynamite wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

I was confused because the way I described the Drell Vanguard 'did' give the team an unfair advantage over the AI, same way the Hydra bug does, so by that criteria it falls under an exploit. If we were in a match and I used Biotic Charge the same way, say to compensate for my inability to actually hurt enemies, would you personally report me or another teammate? Why?

I do not count the Vanguard Glitch as an exploit because it has trade-offs. Basically invincible and able to draw fire away in exchange for inability to move and do much damage. I should put that into the post.

I disagree, I would still consider this cheating/glitching/exploiting if they are doing it on purpose. As soon as I've had this happen I leave the match, as should anyone else.

[Raging Nug]

BoomDynamite wrote...
i do not count the Vanguard Glitch as an exploit because it has trade-offs. Basically invincible and able to draw fire away in exchange for inability to move and do much damage. I should put that into the post.

lol, it still sounds the same as the Hydra glitch to me - can't move much, makes you harder to target, but also makes it harder for you to deal damage.

I understand that your distinction is the intent, but if they do the same thing anyway, I don't think intent is enough of a distinguishing factor to separate an unintended glitch from an unintended exploit.

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Malditor wrote...
I disagree, I would still consider this cheating/glitching/exploiting if they are doing it on purpose. As soon as I've had this happen I leave the match, as should anyone else.

 

If you get into one match with someone who doesn't have a mic, how can you tell if they're doing it on purpose? :\\

Modifié par Raging Nug, 12 juin 2012 - 12:52 .