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[BoomDynamite]

Malditor wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

I was confused because the way I described the Drell Vanguard 'did' give the team an unfair advantage over the AI, same way the Hydra bug does, so by that criteria it falls under an exploit. If we were in a match and I used Biotic Charge the same way, say to compensate for my inability to actually hurt enemies, would you personally report me or another teammate? Why?

I do not count the Vanguard Glitch as an exploit because it has trade-offs. Basically invincible and able to draw fire away in exchange for inability to move and do much damage. I should put that into the post.

I disagree, I would still consider this cheating/glitching/exploiting if they are doing it on purpose. As soon as I've had this happen I leave the match, as should anyone else.

It's hard to tell if they are doing it purposefully. If they admit it, then so be it. I'll report them, but if they don't admit it, then I've got nothing to do. It's not a glitch many people want, unless they enjoy ME scenery.

Modifié par BoomDynamite, 12 juin 2012 - 12:53 .

[Offender_Mullet]

Adhok42 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

What's the hydra exploit?

There's a specific spot on the map that allows you to glitch out of the map and safely snipe enemies without taking return fire.

This is the first I've heard of such a thing. I'll keep an eye out.

Correction: You can take enemy fire. Tried it during my first Gold match. Not a fun spot. Very cheesy.

[Malditor]

BoomDynamite wrote...

Malditor wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

I was confused because the way I described the Drell Vanguard 'did' give the team an unfair advantage over the AI, same way the Hydra bug does, so by that criteria it falls under an exploit. If we were in a match and I used Biotic Charge the same way, say to compensate for my inability to actually hurt enemies, would you personally report me or another teammate? Why?

I do not count the Vanguard Glitch as an exploit because it has trade-offs. Basically invincible and able to draw fire away in exchange for inability to move and do much damage. I should put that into the post.

I disagree, I would still consider this cheating/glitching/exploiting if they are doing it on purpose. As soon as I've had this happen I leave the match, as should anyone else.

It's hard to tell if they are doing it purposefully. If they admit it, then so be it. I'll report them, but if they don't admit it, then I've got nothing to do. It's not a glitch many people want, unless they enjoy ME scenery.

More meaning the person who said there was a drell vanguard running around after glitching getting the enemies attention etc. They knew they shouldn't be going it but did it anyway.

[mikepaul]

Malditor wrote...

mikepaul wrote...

So, if I managed to locate the exact spot on Firebase White where, every time I die, I'm transported to the extraction zone, and always stand there in an emergency, I'd be cheating?...

Yes, because you are purposefully exploiting the glitch.

So once you find something that works abnormally, you are honor-bound not to do it intentionally. 

Like headshots on enemies that aren't supposed to accept headshots?

The hue and cry over having that taken away seemed rather large, like they didn't think honor was involved.  If that was fixed, and the known teleporter doodad on White remains(?), what does that mean?...

[Raging Nug]

Malditor wrote...

More meaning the person who said there was a drell vanguard running around after glitching getting the enemies attention etc. They knew they shouldn't be going it but did it anyway.

So, what, they should have just left the game? :\\

[Malditor]

mikepaul wrote...

Malditor wrote...

mikepaul wrote...

So, if I managed to locate the exact spot on Firebase White where, every time I die, I'm transported to the extraction zone, and always stand there in an emergency, I'd be cheating?...

Yes, because you are purposefully exploiting the glitch.

So once you find something that works abnormally, you are honor-bound not to do it intentionally. 

Like headshots on enemies that aren't supposed to accept headshots?

The hue and cry over having that taken away seemed rather large, like they didn't think honor was involved.  If that was fixed, and the known teleporter doodad on White remains(?), what does that mean?...

Means nothing, the difference between the headshots and the glitch you are talking about is you know it shouldn't happen, whereas it's normal to expect headshot damage when you shoot an enemies head. I don't understand why they decided that they shouldn't take headshot damage. And that they haven't fixed it means nothing.

And yes, if you find something that works abnormally you should not do it purposefully.

Modifié par Malditor, 12 juin 2012 - 01:00 .

[Malditor]

Raging Nug wrote...

Malditor wrote...

More meaning the person who said there was a drell vanguard running around after glitching getting the enemies attention etc. They knew they shouldn't be going it but did it anyway.

So, what, they should have just left the game? :

Yes... seems pretty self evident.

[dirtdiver32318]

hahah i had a guy doing the little hydra trick i sat in front of him so he could not diver over there lol

[BoomDynamite]

Malditor wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Malditor wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

I was confused because the way I described the Drell Vanguard 'did' give the team an unfair advantage over the AI, same way the Hydra bug does, so by that criteria it falls under an exploit. If we were in a match and I used Biotic Charge the same way, say to compensate for my inability to actually hurt enemies, would you personally report me or another teammate? Why?

I do not count the Vanguard Glitch as an exploit because it has trade-offs. Basically invincible and able to draw fire away in exchange for inability to move and do much damage. I should put that into the post.

I disagree, I would still consider this cheating/glitching/exploiting if they are doing it on purpose. As soon as I've had this happen I leave the match, as should anyone else.

It's hard to tell if they are doing it purposefully. If they admit it, then so be it. I'll report them, but if they don't admit it, then I've got nothing to do. It's not a glitch many people want, unless they enjoy ME scenery.

More meaning the person who said there was a drell vanguard running around after glitching getting the enemies attention etc. They knew they shouldn't be going it but did it anyway.

It's hard to tell because other Vanguards (Humans, I'm looking at you) are Charge dependant. The Drell can also be because they have low shields, so you can't really tell if they mean to charge a lot to get in the glitch or not, unless they admit it. The Drell are a poor choice for this example because they are Charge/Reave dependant. A Krogan would be a better example because they don't need BC much at all with Barrier and their high Health and Shields, both of which at their base level are higher than the max for a Drell.

[Creighton72]

So is the water slide part a glitch, I would say yes, but getting on the container that is part of the map is not a glitch. You are not teleported to it. If it is a design flaw in the map then Bioware should say so. Or if they don't want people on the box then say so. I don't use it and have no worry about a ban, but really asking people to guess what is and is not part of the map is not the consumers job.

Also a simple solution to prevent anyone from using a glitch, is fix the glitch. Crazy thought, I know, but I have read that a glitch can in fact be fixed. But at the very least ask people not to do it. Then at least you gave them some warning. Although the general public will have no clue about this.

Why is it being forced on the consumer to figure out someone elses mistake? Before BioWare goes around banning people for standing on a box they may want to fix some of the major glithes in the game before they start pointing fingers at anyone.

PS I have seen a Banshee on that railing and the box, and also seen it fall through the map. Has that Banshee been banned from ME3 multi? How about enemies that get stuck outside the map on giant, that you can't kill? Ruins your game and you have to start over.

People in glass houses should not be throwing stones.

Modifié par Creighton72, 12 juin 2012 - 01:02 .

[Raging Nug]

Malditor wrote...
Yes... seems pretty self evident.

Except then he loses out on his ten minutes of work, experience, credits and has to find another lobby, so no, not really self-evident. :\\

Edit: I'm with Creighton on this.

Modifié par Raging Nug, 12 juin 2012 - 01:04 .

[Malditor]

BoomDynamite wrote...

Malditor wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Malditor wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

I was confused because the way I described the Drell Vanguard 'did' give the team an unfair advantage over the AI, same way the Hydra bug does, so by that criteria it falls under an exploit. If we were in a match and I used Biotic Charge the same way, say to compensate for my inability to actually hurt enemies, would you personally report me or another teammate? Why?

I do not count the Vanguard Glitch as an exploit because it has trade-offs. Basically invincible and able to draw fire away in exchange for inability to move and do much damage. I should put that into the post.

I disagree, I would still consider this cheating/glitching/exploiting if they are doing it on purpose. As soon as I've had this happen I leave the match, as should anyone else.

It's hard to tell if they are doing it purposefully. If they admit it, then so be it. I'll report them, but if they don't admit it, then I've got nothing to do. It's not a glitch many people want, unless they enjoy ME scenery.

More meaning the person who said there was a drell vanguard running around after glitching getting the enemies attention etc. They knew they shouldn't be going it but did it anyway.

It's hard to tell because other Vanguards (Humans, I'm looking at you) are Charge dependant. The Drell can also be because they have low shields, so you can't really tell if they mean to charge a lot to get in the glitch or not, unless they admit it. The Drell are a poor choice for this example because they are Charge/Reave dependant. A Krogan would be a better example because they don't need BC much at all with Barrier and their high Health and Shields, both of which at their base level are higher than the max for a Drell.

True, you can't go by a single instance unless, like you said they admit it. However, if you see them glitch out every game or multiple games and stay in every time then it would start seeming apparent that they want it to happen.

[BoomDynamite]

Malditor wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Malditor wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Malditor wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

I was confused because the way I described the Drell Vanguard 'did' give the team an unfair advantage over the AI, same way the Hydra bug does, so by that criteria it falls under an exploit. If we were in a match and I used Biotic Charge the same way, say to compensate for my inability to actually hurt enemies, would you personally report me or another teammate? Why?

I do not count the Vanguard Glitch as an exploit because it has trade-offs. Basically invincible and able to draw fire away in exchange for inability to move and do much damage. I should put that into the post.

I disagree, I would still consider this cheating/glitching/exploiting if they are doing it on purpose. As soon as I've had this happen I leave the match, as should anyone else.

It's hard to tell if they are doing it purposefully. If they admit it, then so be it. I'll report them, but if they don't admit it, then I've got nothing to do. It's not a glitch many people want, unless they enjoy ME scenery.

More meaning the person who said there was a drell vanguard running around after glitching getting the enemies attention etc. They knew they shouldn't be going it but did it anyway.

It's hard to tell because other Vanguards (Humans, I'm looking at you) are Charge dependant. The Drell can also be because they have low shields, so you can't really tell if they mean to charge a lot to get in the glitch or not, unless they admit it. The Drell are a poor choice for this example because they are Charge/Reave dependant. A Krogan would be a better example because they don't need BC much at all with Barrier and their high Health and Shields, both of which at their base level are higher than the max for a Drell.

True, you can't go by a single instance unless, like you said they admit it. However, if you see them glitch out every game or multiple games and stay in every time then it would start seeming apparent that they want it to happen.

It could also be a form of leeching, getting in the glitch to become invincible and get free creds. I have seen it more than once, swo it's believable. However, somebody who constantly gets in the glitch would be likely to be kicked, so there's that too.

[Malditor]

Raging Nug wrote...

Malditor wrote...
Yes... seems pretty self evident.

Except then he loses out on his ten minutes of work, experience, credits and has to find another lobby, so no, not really self-evident. :

Edit: I'm with Creighton on this.

Oh no, 10 minutes of work/experience/credits?
Maybe I just have higher standards of what is acceptable because I saw so many people try to legitimize abusing glitches/exploits in other games. "It's in the game so I'll use it until it's fixed." That mentality just irks me. In my mind, I see these people as the same who'd take all the cash out of a purse or wallet they found on the ground. I'm sure that's not a fair assessment, but that's the association I make. If I glitch out I leave, regardless of time in the game, because it's not fair for me to be invulnerable.

[Rorioku]

This isn't locked yet? Mods asleep post sinks!

[mikepaul]

Malditor wrote...
Means nothing, the difference between the headshots and the glitch you are talking about is you know it shouldn't happen, whereas it's normal to expect headshot damage when you shoot an enemies head. I don't understand why they decided that they shouldn't take headshot damage. And that they haven't fixed it means nothing.

Actually, it means that there's not enough of a balance issue for them to remove the teleporter.  Balance is everything.

You are not unbalancing the game by jumping to another part of the map that may or may not be safe.  Your team would probably be happy if the whole lot of you could go at once, and THAT might be unbalanced if it worked.  The extraction zone has been awful busy in some of those Gold games I used to drop into.  The whole team is likely to survive, an individual, maybe not.

Some sniper nest where you are immune from damage?  THAT'S unbalanced...

[Raging Nug]

Not higher standards, just different. If you'd rather leave a game and simply not play than accept that the product is broken through no fault of the consumer, than that's fine, but to expect the same of other people, especially with the new matchmaking system and all the other bugs going on in the game - that's hurtful to the community. I said this a few pages ago and I'll say it again, simply fixing the bugs would be more helpful than banning players who come across them. :\\

[Creighton72]

mikepaul wrote...

Malditor wrote...
Means nothing, the difference between the headshots and the glitch you are talking about is you know it shouldn't happen, whereas it's normal to expect headshot damage when you shoot an enemies head. I don't understand why they decided that they shouldn't take headshot damage. And that they haven't fixed it means nothing.

Actually, it means that there's not enough of a balance issue for them to remove the teleporter.  Balance is everything.

You are not unbalancing the game by jumping to another part of the map that may or may not be safe.  Your team would probably be happy if the whole lot of you could go at once, and THAT might be unbalanced if it worked.  The extraction zone has been awful busy in some of those Gold games I used to drop into.  The whole team is likely to survive, an individual, maybe not.

Some sniper nest where you are immune from damage?  THAT'S unbalanced...

But your not immune from damage, you can get shot pretty easily.

[Malditor]

Raging Nug wrote...

Not higher standards, just different. If you'd rather leave a game and simply not play than accept that the product is broken through no fault of the consumer, than that's fine, but to expect the same of other people, especially with the new matchmaking system and all the other bugs going on in the game - that's hurtful to the community. I said this a few pages ago and I'll say it again, simply fixing the bugs would be more helpful than banning players who come across them. :

See, that's the type of thinking that doesn't make sense to me. If you know it's not supposed to happen or be possible then you know you shouldn't do it,. People who think they way you do are the type that abused the care package glitch in CoD MW2, as well as other glitches in games. And before you say it, yes that's pvp, but it's the same concept.

[Malditor]

mikepaul wrote...

Malditor wrote...
Means nothing, the difference between the headshots and the glitch you are talking about is you know it shouldn't happen, whereas it's normal to expect headshot damage when you shoot an enemies head. I don't understand why they decided that they shouldn't take headshot damage. And that they haven't fixed it means nothing.

Actually, it means that there's not enough of a balance issue for them to remove the teleporter.  Balance is everything.

You are not unbalancing the game by jumping to another part of the map that may or may not be safe.  Your team would probably be happy if the whole lot of you could go at once, and THAT might be unbalanced if it worked.  The extraction zone has been awful busy in some of those Gold games I used to drop into.  The whole team is likely to survive, an individual, maybe not.

Some sniper nest where you are immune from damage?  THAT'S unbalanced...

I don't agree with cherry picking what glitches/exploits are wrong and which aren't. Possibly that's just me, but if one is wrong they all are wrong. They argument would go, if it's ok to do that then it's ok to do this. Gateway glitches/exploits.

[Raging Nug]

But see, that's the clincher - we don't know what's supposed to happen or not. It's very likely that the Hydra bug is unintentional, but we don't know that, and until Abraham, Costa, or Priestly tell us they don't want to see people up there, why shouldn't we? This bug has it's advantages and it's disadvantages - you can still get hit and die up there, you're still limited to whatever ammo you have, and you can't even see a quarter of the map.

If we disagree, we disagree, but I don't like it when people try and force their arbitrary morality onto others. Sounds too much like preaching to me.

Again, a fix would be more constructive than a ban. Fixes make the community happy, bans make it smaller.

[IsilZhaSB]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Seriously? It's not even a cheat... if you play well and only one person is over there, then that one person is going to be doing a whole lot of nothing and it'll show in the points.

Calm down. It's a funny little trick that really doesn't hurt anyone...

Except everyone I've seen do this basically just leeches as they refuse to leave to help with objectives.

[Malditor]

Raging Nug wrote...

But see, that's the clincher - we don't know what's supposed to happen or not. It's very likely that the Hydra bug is unintentional, but we don't know that, and until Abraham, Costa, or Priestly tell us they don't want to see people up there, why shouldn't we? This bug has it's advantages and it's disadvantages - you can still get hit and die up there, you're still limited to whatever ammo you have, and you can't even see a quarter of the map.

If we disagree, we disagree, but I don't like it when people try and force their arbitrary morality onto others. Sounds too much like preaching to me.

Again, a fix would be more constructive than a ban. Fixes make the community happy, bans make it smaller.

If it was meant to be able to get there you wouldn't need to do any extraneous action to get there and any race would be able to get there. Being that you have to go to some specific spot and "roll" or whatnot indicates that it's not normal.
It is very true that in order to have any closure on this matter it would take someone from Bioware to give a definitive statement though.

[Raging Nug]

IsilZhaSB wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Seriously? It's not even a cheat... if you play well and only one person is over there, then that one person is going to be doing a whole lot of nothing and it'll show in the points.

Calm down. It's a funny little trick that really doesn't hurt anyone...

Except everyone I've seen do this basically just leeches as they refuse to leave to help with objectives.

Except there are players who do that anyway, without the glitch. Maybe they'd be more inclined to be helpful if you weren't so judgmental. :\\

[Bushido Effect]

Mr. Nug Krogan your posts are great thanks. I do agree about the bans hurting a shrinking community. A fix is would be the perfect solution, then no will go up there. A well spoken Krogan!

Regardless I've said I'm done with it myself. Not jumping into this cesspool again.