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[Raging Nug]

Malditor wrote...
If it was meant to be able to get there you wouldn't need to do any extraneous action to get there and any race would be able to get there. Being that you have to go to some specific spot and "roll" or whatnot indicates that it's not normal.

It could be something the developers left in so that they could use it, or an easter egg - who knows? Like I said, it's likely that it's unintentional, but we don't know.

It is very true that in order to have any closure on this matter it would take someone from Bioware to give a definitive statement though.

Agreed.

[TheRogueX]

Ok, ive got to clear up some of the ignorance around here.

1. Yes, its an unfair advantage. The spot is advantageous because there are spots on the glitch where you CANT be shot at, but at those spots, you also cant shoot back. Regardless, you can move into those spots when your shields are down and exit them to shoot. Thats hardly fair, especially since at those positions, NOTHING can do damage to you. Absolutely nothing. One spot is at the top of the 'snipers perch'. If you go far enough up it, it begins to decline towards the water. Standing their allows you to avoid and fire whatsoever and ally ou have to do is move a bit to shoot back.

2. Is it a glitch or an exploit? Id have to say no. It takes ONE tactical role to get there. They arent modifying the game in any way.

3. Should people get punished for it? Well, do people get punished for leeching? If the person up there is sitting in one of the safe zones, sure. But if he's actively shooting back and playing? Not really. He's just using a different tactic then you. Thats like attempting to report a player for not picking you up or capturing objectives.

EDIT: 4. The "Its a glitch because every class cant get up there" is kinda ridiculous. Just because every race/class doesnt have acess to it doesnt make it a glitch, it just means that race has a disadvantage. Newsflash, different races have different disadvantages. Thats like claiming that a combat roll is a glitch simply because a krogan cant do it. I mean... come on.

Modifié par TheRogueX, 12 juin 2012 - 01:30 .

[landylan]

its cheating. if someone found a glitch in halo and popped up on top of some unreachable tower, it would be cheating. the hydra exploit is not part of the game. its pointless. people who sit up there are doing it because they arent skilled enough for gold. they also barely kill anything up there, and theyre even more worthless on objectives.

[Transairion]

I've only seen this happen once, and it was definatly not "for the lulz" but outright exploiting for "profit".

As far as I recall it was Gold, Hydra, and Cerberus. I was thrown into the game in progress to find a Salarian Infiltrator and a Geth Infiltrator perched clearly out of bounds, forever sniping. "But you can get shot easily!"; well apparently you're doing it wrong since the Geth was perched so high on a bit of scenery he just had to walk a step backwards to avoid fire and the Salarian was behind a large container (on part of a sloped wall) and just popped up to shoot, then hid when he got shot at.  Only very rarely did they ever go down, and when they did, the other was somehow close enough to revive them.

I got a great view of exactly how they played from deathcam, since me and the other player (both non-Infiltrators) were left to fend for ourselves against the horde. Since we were always "closer" we took most the aggro, got downed, bled out, and the snipers carried from their immortal perch. When they ran out of ammo, it just a hop and a skip back to the LZ, where they cloaked and ran all the way back, glitched out of the map again, and were immortal snipers once again. Luckily for them there was an abdunance of priority-targets objectives so they weren't forced to come down at any point, and they just stayed there.

So yeah, it can be abused to hell and basically gave them godmode... the Geth's position gave him perfect cover from the only direction he could be attacked (like 1/2-3/4 of the way up the dam), and the lower Salarian just casually sniped anyone he saw. Phantom's couldn't hit him, and grenades? Sailing over his head into the water, every single time.

This is only one instance, but imagine someone doing that every single Hydra game... how is that possibly good for MP?

[Raging Nug]

landylan wrote...

its cheating. if someone found a glitch in halo and popped up on top of some unreachable tower

It's no more cheating than the players who get into an Infection match on sword base and camp in the lift rooms. They're reachable, but you generally have a good chance against whatever's coming for you. The Hydra bug is exactly the same - you can still get hit and killed, but you'll usually see them before they see you. If you get overwhelmed, you get overwhelmed.

[TheRogueX]

landylan wrote...

its cheating. if someone found a glitch in halo and popped up on top of some unreachable tower, it would be cheating. the hydra exploit is not part of the game. its pointless. people who sit up there are doing it because they arent skilled enough for gold. they also barely kill anything up there, and theyre even more worthless on objectives.

They dont 'pop up" on a tower. They walk across a wall. Thats hardly a reason to call it cheating. Thats like saying climbing up a ladder is cheating. "You just pop up on a higer floor!"

Second, their play style isnt up for debate. If it's "worthless" they arent getting any sort of advantage, kick them from the game if you dont like their tactics.

[TheRogueX]

Transairion wrote...

I've only seen this happen once, and it was definatly not "for the lulz" but outright exploiting for "profit".

As far as I recall it was Gold, Hydra, and Cerberus. I was thrown into the game in progress to find a Salarian Infiltrator and a Geth Infiltrator perched clearly out of bounds, forever sniping. "But you can get shot easily!"; well apparently you're doing it wrong since the Geth was perched so high on a bit of scenery he just had to walk a step backwards to avoid fire and the Salarian was behind a large container (on part of a sloped wall) and just popped up to shoot, then hid when he got shot at.  Only very rarely did they ever go down, and when they did, the other was somehow close enough to revive them.

I got a great view of exactly how they played from deathcam, since me and the other player (both non-Infiltrators) were left to fend for ourselves against the horde. Since we were always "closer" we took most the aggro, got downed, bled out, and the snipers carried from their immortal perch. When they ran out of ammo, it just a hop and a skip back to the LZ, where they cloaked and ran all the way back, glitched out of the map again, and were immortal snipers once again. Luckily for them there was an abdunance of priority-targets objectives so they weren't forced to come down at any point, and they just stayed there.

So yeah, it can be abused to hell and basically gave them godmode... the Geth's position gave him perfect cover from the only direction he could be attacked (like 1/2-3/4 of the way up the dam), and the lower Salarian just casually sniped anyone he saw. Phantom's couldn't hit him, and grenades? Sailing over his head into the water, every single time.

This is only one instance, but imagine someone doing that every single Hydra game... how is that possibly good for MP?

Just because you think somethings not 'good for multiplayer' doesnt make it a glitch. I dont hink the Krysae is good for MP, can we call that a glitch too?

You and your teamate getting killed doesnt prove anything either. If the other two were running around the map, cloaked, and not getting shot, would you call that a glitch? It's an example of them being bad teamates or you being unwise for not joining them or camping out at the barricade next to them.

[landylan]

TheRogueX wrote...

Ok, ive got to clear up some of the ignorance around here.

1. Yes, its an unfair advantage. The spot is advantageous because there are spots on the glitch where you CANT be shot at, but at those spots, you also cant shoot back. Regardless, you can move into those spots when your shields are down and exit them to shoot. Thats hardly fair, especially since at those positions, NOTHING can do damage to you. Absolutely nothing. One spot is at the top of the 'snipers perch'. If you go far enough up it, it begins to decline towards the water. Standing their allows you to avoid and fire whatsoever and ally ou have to do is move a bit to shoot back.

2. Is it a glitch or an exploit? Id have to say no. It takes ONE tactical role to get there. They arent modifying the game in any way.

3. Should people get punished for it? Well, do people get punished for leeching? If the person up there is sitting in one of the safe zones, sure. But if he's actively shooting back and playing? Not really. He's just using a different tactic then you. Thats like attempting to report a player for not picking you up or capturing objectives.

EDIT: 4. The "Its a glitch because every class cant get up there" is kinda ridiculous. Just because every race/class doesnt have acess to it doesnt make it a glitch, it just means that race has a disadvantage. Newsflash, different races have different disadvantages. Thats like claiming that a combat roll is a glitch simply because a krogan cant do it. I mean... come on.

this is a glitch....glitches like these are used in other multiplayer games. anything that was unintended when developed is a glitch.  you dont have to mod the game to be cheating. i dont see how people can complain about fbwgg and not think that real cheating is a problem. invincibility=cheating

[MoeRayShep]

meh, this looks like exploiting a glitch, but one that confers only a mild lamesauce advantage.
I don't think I'd report it myself, but I would never use it either.
Certainly OP should chill out. I seriously doubt they'll do anything to him for it, but if you continuously use a glitch, cheating or no, in a PUG you can expect somebody's going to get ornery.

[landylan]

TheRogueX wrote...

landylan wrote...

its cheating. if someone found a glitch in halo and popped up on top of some unreachable tower, it would be cheating. the hydra exploit is not part of the game. its pointless. people who sit up there are doing it because they arent skilled enough for gold. they also barely kill anything up there, and theyre even more worthless on objectives.

They dont 'pop up" on a tower. They walk across a wall. Thats hardly a reason to call it cheating. Thats like saying climbing up a ladder is cheating. "You just pop up on a higer floor!"

Second, their play style isnt up for debate. If it's "worthless" they arent getting any sort of advantage, kick them from the game if you dont like their tactics.

its hard to an active player from a game thats likely to last atleast thirty minutes with a person being a bum using this glitch. the ladder to get to a higher floor is INTENDED. this is a glitch not a ladder. 

[Draining Dragon]

Shall I state the blatantly obvious?

Exploiting=cheating.

[Raging Nug]

" i dont see how people can complain about fbwgg and not think that real cheating is a problem."

I don't see how you can call this real cheating. I wouldn't even call it an advantage. Real cheating would be if there was a mounted chaingun up there and you were immune to damage. THAT would be cheating. The fact that you can hide from enemies for a little while is no more cheating that someone using tactical cloak. :\\

[TheRogueX]

landylan wrote...

TheRogueX wrote...

Ok, ive got to clear up some of the ignorance around here.

1. Yes, its an unfair advantage. The spot is advantageous because there are spots on the glitch where you CANT be shot at, but at those spots, you also cant shoot back. Regardless, you can move into those spots when your shields are down and exit them to shoot. Thats hardly fair, especially since at those positions, NOTHING can do damage to you. Absolutely nothing. One spot is at the top of the 'snipers perch'. If you go far enough up it, it begins to decline towards the water. Standing their allows you to avoid and fire whatsoever and ally ou have to do is move a bit to shoot back.

2. Is it a glitch or an exploit? Id have to say no. It takes ONE tactical role to get there. They arent modifying the game in any way.

3. Should people get punished for it? Well, do people get punished for leeching? If the person up there is sitting in one of the safe zones, sure. But if he's actively shooting back and playing? Not really. He's just using a different tactic then you. Thats like attempting to report a player for not picking you up or capturing objectives.

EDIT: 4. The "Its a glitch because every class cant get up there" is kinda ridiculous. Just because every race/class doesnt have acess to it doesnt make it a glitch, it just means that race has a disadvantage. Newsflash, different races have different disadvantages. Thats like claiming that a combat roll is a glitch simply because a krogan cant do it. I mean... come on.

this is a glitch....glitches like these are used in other multiplayer games. anything that was unintended when developed is a glitch.  you dont have to mod the game to be cheating. i dont see how people can complain about fbwgg and not think that real cheating is a problem. invincibility=cheating

Really? Anything that was unintended when developed is a glitch? So, sitting behind cover on FBW and pulling people over cover is a glitch? or is that what they 'intended'?

And like i mentioned, there IS a spot that you can be 'invincible', but you also cant shoot back. The only bennifit that has is leeching, which should be dealt with regardless of the tool they used to do it.

[landylan]

TheRogueX wrote...

Transairion wrote...

I've only seen this happen once, and it was definatly not "for the lulz" but outright exploiting for "profit".

As far as I recall it was Gold, Hydra, and Cerberus. I was thrown into the game in progress to find a Salarian Infiltrator and a Geth Infiltrator perched clearly out of bounds, forever sniping. "But you can get shot easily!"; well apparently you're doing it wrong since the Geth was perched so high on a bit of scenery he just had to walk a step backwards to avoid fire and the Salarian was behind a large container (on part of a sloped wall) and just popped up to shoot, then hid when he got shot at.  Only very rarely did they ever go down, and when they did, the other was somehow close enough to revive them.

I got a great view of exactly how they played from deathcam, since me and the other player (both non-Infiltrators) were left to fend for ourselves against the horde. Since we were always "closer" we took most the aggro, got downed, bled out, and the snipers carried from their immortal perch. When they ran out of ammo, it just a hop and a skip back to the LZ, where they cloaked and ran all the way back, glitched out of the map again, and were immortal snipers once again. Luckily for them there was an abdunance of priority-targets objectives so they weren't forced to come down at any point, and they just stayed there.

So yeah, it can be abused to hell and basically gave them godmode... the Geth's position gave him perfect cover from the only direction he could be attacked (like 1/2-3/4 of the way up the dam), and the lower Salarian just casually sniped anyone he saw. Phantom's couldn't hit him, and grenades? Sailing over his head into the water, every single time.

This is only one instance, but imagine someone doing that every single Hydra game... how is that possibly good for MP?

Just because you think somethings not 'good for multiplayer' doesnt make it a glitch. I dont hink the Krysae is good for MP, can we call that a glitch too?

You and your teamate getting killed doesnt prove anything either. If the other two were running around the map, cloaked, and not getting shot, would you call that a glitch? It's an example of them being bad teamates or you being unwise for not joining them or camping out at the barricade next to them.

how can you compare the krysae to a real glitch? do you know what a glitch is??? him and his teammate getting killed does say something. enemies shoot the nearest people....obviously the people on the dam are alot further away than him and the other non infiltrator. just because they would run around cloaked doesnt mean they never get shot. taking SOME aggro is better than none.

[Variasaber]

I hadn't heard of this before but if what XxTalonxX says is true and it doesn't really help much, I don't see the big deal. My guess is by being there you can't help with hack, device, or pizza objectives and probably can't do much for hunt objectives, plus can only kill enemies that happen to pass into the right area, so it sounds like it's no worse than camping far away from your teammates while they draw aggro.

[Artemillion]

Bushido Effect wrote...

 Go cry to mommy for uptight piece of ****.

.
It perfectly suits you. You are the one who crying here. Can't even play a game normally.

[Drummernate]

I do it all the time to people that hack in Battlefield and Gears.

"It has been my pleasure to assist EA/DICE/EPIC in keeping the leaderboard clean of modders and hackers.

/Reported.

Have a nice day!"

[landylan]

TheRogueX wrote...

landylan wrote...

TheRogueX wrote...

Ok, ive got to clear up some of the ignorance around here.

1. Yes, its an unfair advantage. The spot is advantageous because there are spots on the glitch where you CANT be shot at, but at those spots, you also cant shoot back. Regardless, you can move into those spots when your shields are down and exit them to shoot. Thats hardly fair, especially since at those positions, NOTHING can do damage to you. Absolutely nothing. One spot is at the top of the 'snipers perch'. If you go far enough up it, it begins to decline towards the water. Standing their allows you to avoid and fire whatsoever and ally ou have to do is move a bit to shoot back.

2. Is it a glitch or an exploit? Id have to say no. It takes ONE tactical role to get there. They arent modifying the game in any way.

3. Should people get punished for it? Well, do people get punished for leeching? If the person up there is sitting in one of the safe zones, sure. But if he's actively shooting back and playing? Not really. He's just using a different tactic then you. Thats like attempting to report a player for not picking you up or capturing objectives.

EDIT: 4. The "Its a glitch because every class cant get up there" is kinda ridiculous. Just because every race/class doesnt have acess to it doesnt make it a glitch, it just means that race has a disadvantage. Newsflash, different races have different disadvantages. Thats like claiming that a combat roll is a glitch simply because a krogan cant do it. I mean... come on.

this is a glitch....glitches like these are used in other multiplayer games. anything that was unintended when developed is a glitch.  you dont have to mod the game to be cheating. i dont see how people can complain about fbwgg and not think that real cheating is a problem. invincibility=cheating

Really? Anything that was unintended when developed is a glitch? So, sitting behind cover on FBW and pulling people over cover is a glitch? or is that what they 'intended'?

And like i mentioned, there IS a spot that you can be 'invincible', but you also cant shoot back. The only bennifit that has is leeching, which should be dealt with regardless of the tool they used to do it.

yea really. you have nothing to back up your argument. grabbing enemies on fbw was intended when they made. they didnt expect it to be abused, but it WAS intended. leeching isnt a benefit either. if you want to leech, you just die. you are invincible on the damn. no enemies can get to you in the match. if you let your shields regen, youre just fine. not the case in "regular" gameplay. you have to actually think about what your doing.

[BoomDynamite]

Drummernate wrote...

I do it all the time to people that hack in Battlefield and Gears.

"It has been my pleasure to assist EA/DICE/EPIC in keeping the leaderboard clean of modders and hackers.

/Reported.

Have a nice day!"

Thank you. Those are some of the few games I play. I hope you've aken some people down. I do it in CoD 4 all the time also, especially when I'm accused of being a hacker by using an M16 when they shoot through seventeen walls with an M82.

[TheRogueX]

Enemies shoot the nearest people? Ive seen a cannibal shoot over my teammate's shoulder at me. The game's AI mechanics are a lot more complex then "hurd-dur, shoot at the closest person"

Once again, to get to a position where they could shoot back, they have to put themselves in a position where they can get shot. The dont just set up in invincibility and shoot away. They have to come out from behind cover where they can get shot just like everyone else. If they are just sitting up in the invincible zone, then they are leeching. They should be dealt with based on that, not the tool they used to do it.

[Transairion]

You and your teamate getting killed doesnt prove anything either. If the other two were running around the map, cloaked, and not getting shot, would you call that a glitch? It's an example of them being bad teamates or you being unwise for not joining them or camping out at the barricade next to them.

I guess you fail to comprehend that they aren't pulling very much aggresion while up there... they were so far that the AI basically ignored them until we were dead, sorry I'm not l33t skilled enough to solo gold good sir. Could I have joined them? Sure, but I'd rather not, yaknow, be banned. Could I have parked my ass directly infront of them? Sure... except then I'm at ground level getting swarmed by dozens of people while they're up there not getting shot at until my corspe hits the floor. I actually tried it after a few deaths, sitting there changed nothing except the direction I was attacked.

Cloak doesn't last that long anyway, the reason they were so immortal was that the AI was shooting into walls betweem them and their target. You'd think if Bioware wanted us in that spot they'd, like, put it inside the map or have a nice shiny staircase up there?

Modifié par Transairion, 12 juin 2012 - 02:01 .

[TheRogueX]

landylan wrote...

TheRogueX wrote...

landylan wrote...

TheRogueX wrote...

Ok, ive got to clear up some of the ignorance around here.

1. Yes, its an unfair advantage. The spot is advantageous because there are spots on the glitch where you CANT be shot at, but at those spots, you also cant shoot back. Regardless, you can move into those spots when your shields are down and exit them to shoot. Thats hardly fair, especially since at those positions, NOTHING can do damage to you. Absolutely nothing. One spot is at the top of the 'snipers perch'. If you go far enough up it, it begins to decline towards the water. Standing their allows you to avoid and fire whatsoever and ally ou have to do is move a bit to shoot back.

2. Is it a glitch or an exploit? Id have to say no. It takes ONE tactical role to get there. They arent modifying the game in any way.

3. Should people get punished for it? Well, do people get punished for leeching? If the person up there is sitting in one of the safe zones, sure. But if he's actively shooting back and playing? Not really. He's just using a different tactic then you. Thats like attempting to report a player for not picking you up or capturing objectives.

EDIT: 4. The "Its a glitch because every class cant get up there" is kinda ridiculous. Just because every race/class doesnt have acess to it doesnt make it a glitch, it just means that race has a disadvantage. Newsflash, different races have different disadvantages. Thats like claiming that a combat roll is a glitch simply because a krogan cant do it. I mean... come on.

this is a glitch....glitches like these are used in other multiplayer games. anything that was unintended when developed is a glitch.  you dont have to mod the game to be cheating. i dont see how people can complain about fbwgg and not think that real cheating is a problem. invincibility=cheating

Really? Anything that was unintended when developed is a glitch? So, sitting behind cover on FBW and pulling people over cover is a glitch? or is that what they 'intended'?

And like i mentioned, there IS a spot that you can be 'invincible', but you also cant shoot back. The only bennifit that has is leeching, which should be dealt with regardless of the tool they used to do it.

yea really. you have nothing to back up your argument. grabbing enemies on fbw was intended when they made. they didnt expect it to be abused, but it WAS intended. leeching isnt a benefit either. if you want to leech, you just die. you are invincible on the damn. no enemies can get to you in the match. if you let your shields regen, youre just fine. not the case in "regular" gameplay. you have to actually think about what your doing.

W-w-what?

You're not making a bit of sense. You're not backing up your arguement any better then i am and now you're just rambling.

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

If you were invincible in the spot on Hydra then I'd consider it cheating. But since the enemies can still kill you and stuff, it makes no difference to me. This whole topic reminds me of the Subway glitch back on Gears 2.

[TheRogueX]

Transairion wrote...

You and your teamate getting killed doesnt prove anything either. If the other two were running around the map, cloaked, and not getting shot, would you call that a glitch? It's an example of them being bad teamates or you being unwise for not joining them or camping out at the barricade next to them.

I guess you fail to comprehend that they aren't pulling very much aggresion while up there... they were so far that the AI basically ignored them until we were dead, sorry I'm not l33t skilled enough to solo gold good sir. Could I have joined them? Sure, but I'd rather not, yaknow, be banned. Could I have parked my ass directly infront of them? Sure... except then I'm at ground level getting swarmed by dozens of people while they're up there not getting shot at until my corspe hits the floor. I actually tried it after a few deaths, sitting there changed nothing except the direction I was attacked.

Cloak doesn't last that long anyway, the reason they were so immortal was that the AI was shooting into walls betweem them and their target. You'd think if Bioware wanted us in that spot they'd, like, put it inside the map or have a nice shiny staircase up there?

I understand just fine, all im saying is that an advantage doesnt mean a glitch, it means exactly that, an advantage. And i dont know why they didnt shoot at them, ive seen plenty enemies shoot people up their while i was a few feet away from them.