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[Drummernate]

BoomDynamite wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

I do it all the time to people that hack in Battlefield and Gears.

"It has been my pleasure to assist EA/DICE/EPIC in keeping the leaderboard clean of modders and hackers.

/Reported.

Have a nice day!"

Thank you. Those are some of the few games I play. I hope you've aken some people down. I do it in CoD 4 all the time also, especially when I'm accused of being a hacker by using an M16 when they shoot through seventeen walls with an M82.

Actually I have gotten quite a few people reset/banned on Battlefield back when I played it a lot...
Maybe 15 off the conquest leaderboards.

Gears I am not too sure, but after reporting some of the 0:00 Beast Mode clears, I am now quite a few ranks higher.


(Had a guy kill me with the QBU-95 thingy... [The Semi-Auto DMR] on Battlefield today... with one shot from well over 200m like 40 times in a row. Without headshots.)

(Later in a different server there was a guy with 186/12 because he had a full auto M1911 that one-shotted and never reloaded.)

Modifié par Drummernate, 12 juin 2012 - 02:06 .

[Atheosis]

Bushido Effect wrote...

The point is its not a hack, but a spot on the map that ANY player can reach because its there. A glitch if you will. I didn't do anything deliberate to MOD the game itself. Never.

Apparently you don't get that modding the game is not required for your actions to be considered cheating.  The Hydra exploit is defnitely something that could get you in trouble.

Based on the link below, I would guess it would be considered a "Tier Two" offense so it could very possibly get you banned.

http://social.biowar.../index/12467716

[Raging Nug]

landylan doesn't appear all-too familiar with the advantages or disadvantages of the bug.

herp derp unintended bug, must be cheating! Burn the witch!

:|

[TheRogueX]

Also, sincere side question here.

If they didnt want people up there, why wouldnt they just make it so people couldnt stand on that stuff to begin with? I mean, why didnt they just make you fall right through it?

[landylan]

TheRogueX wrote...

Enemies shoot the nearest people? Ive seen a cannibal shoot over my teammate's shoulder at me. The game's AI mechanics are a lot more complex then "hurd-dur, shoot at the closest person"

Once again, to get to a position where they could shoot back, they have to put themselves in a position where they can get shot. The dont just set up in invincibility and shoot away. They have to come out from behind cover where they can get shot just like everyone else. If they are just sitting up in the invincible zone, then they are leeching. They should be dealt with based on that, not the tool they used to do it.

kill all the enemies on the map and leave a cannibal. put four teammates in a hallway. when the cannibal rounds the corner, tell me who he shoots. the enemies will keep a 'lock on' of sorts on targets that move away even if another teammate becomes closer. line of sight also effects who they target.....like in all other games though, the golden rule still stands....if you get close to them, they will be shooting you. behind the box is an unflankable position. you are invincible. yea sure you have to expose yourself to shoot, but youre basically invincible. tell me how often grenades get back there. this is not a "tool." it wasnt intended when the map was created. again, LEECHING IS WORTHLESS WITH THIS GLITCH. if you want to leech, you just die.

[Raging Nug]

TheRogueX wrote...

Also, sincere side question here.

If they didnt want people up there, why wouldnt they just make it so people couldnt stand on that stuff to begin with? I mean, why didnt they just make you fall right through it?

I - hadn't thought of that.
Things can fall through the grates at the extraction zone. Why can you even get up there? :s

[landylan]

TheRogueX wrote...

Also, sincere side question here.

If they didnt want people up there, why wouldnt they just make it so people couldnt stand on that stuff to begin with? I mean, why didnt they just make you fall right through it?

im not an expert but....its an actual part of the environment. the clouds, for example, are just visual effects.

[Transairion]

I understand just fine, all im saying is that an advantage doesnt mean a glitch, it means exactly that, an advantage.

I'd call two Infiltratorsduoing gold by sitting in the same spot for about 30 mins a pretty damn big advantage. Maybe other people haven't figured out the 'sweet spots' they found, but all they used Cloak for was to super-boost their sniper shots. Rest of the time, move a step, fire, move back, totally immune to fire. I watched them, it was boring as hell but with patience (and objective luck) you can solo the entire thing without taking damage...

I'm really, really don't understand how you can call combat rolling outside the confines of the map not a glitch. If it's not a glitch, or a bug, then it's meant to be there? Does the dam have a rock-climbing wall underneath the waterline that lets you waltz up that far?

Modifié par Transairion, 12 juin 2012 - 02:11 .

[Malditor]

Someone said awhile back, why ban players who abuse glitches/exploits instead of fixing them. My answer and ban them and fix the issue, because from my experience, once someone starts using glitches and exploits they'll use any that are found. Now, if you do it without meaning to, and stop when you find out it's wrong that's another story.
This is why we need BW to say don't do it or it's ok. That way when we see it again we know if we should report or not. As it is right now, it's just up to each individual that sees it done to decide for themself.

[landylan]

TheRogueX wrote...

landylan wrote...

TheRogueX wrote...

landylan wrote...

TheRogueX wrote...

Ok, ive got to clear up some of the ignorance around here.

1. Yes, its an unfair advantage. The spot is advantageous because there are spots on the glitch where you CANT be shot at, but at those spots, you also cant shoot back. Regardless, you can move into those spots when your shields are down and exit them to shoot. Thats hardly fair, especially since at those positions, NOTHING can do damage to you. Absolutely nothing. One spot is at the top of the 'snipers perch'. If you go far enough up it, it begins to decline towards the water. Standing their allows you to avoid and fire whatsoever and ally ou have to do is move a bit to shoot back.

2. Is it a glitch or an exploit? Id have to say no. It takes ONE tactical role to get there. They arent modifying the game in any way.

3. Should people get punished for it? Well, do people get punished for leeching? If the person up there is sitting in one of the safe zones, sure. But if he's actively shooting back and playing? Not really. He's just using a different tactic then you. Thats like attempting to report a player for not picking you up or capturing objectives.

EDIT: 4. The "Its a glitch because every class cant get up there" is kinda ridiculous. Just because every race/class doesnt have acess to it doesnt make it a glitch, it just means that race has a disadvantage. Newsflash, different races have different disadvantages. Thats like claiming that a combat roll is a glitch simply because a krogan cant do it. I mean... come on.

this is a glitch....glitches like these are used in other multiplayer games. anything that was unintended when developed is a glitch.  you dont have to mod the game to be cheating. i dont see how people can complain about fbwgg and not think that real cheating is a problem. invincibility=cheating

Really? Anything that was unintended when developed is a glitch? So, sitting behind cover on FBW and pulling people over cover is a glitch? or is that what they 'intended'?

And like i mentioned, there IS a spot that you can be 'invincible', but you also cant shoot back. The only bennifit that has is leeching, which should be dealt with regardless of the tool they used to do it.

yea really. you have nothing to back up your argument. grabbing enemies on fbw was intended when they made. they didnt expect it to be abused, but it WAS intended. leeching isnt a benefit either. if you want to leech, you just die. you are invincible on the damn. no enemies can get to you in the match. if you let your shields regen, youre just fine. not the case in "regular" gameplay. you have to actually think about what your doing.

W-w-what?

You're not making a bit of sense. You're not backing up your arguement any better then i am and now you're just rambling.

my argument is supported by.....COMMON SENSE IN ALL CAPS.... im not rambling. im actually discussing the topic. you bring random points to support your case. "hey you guys! did they mean to put grabbing in the game? or am i cheating behind my shiny counter here?" i think my argument is backed up better than yours....

also you compared the krysae to a glitch....completely unrelated

Modifié par landylan, 12 juin 2012 - 02:16 .

[landylan]

Raging Nug wrote...

landylan doesn't appear all-too familiar with the advantages or disadvantages of the bug.

herp derp unintended bug, must be cheating! Burn the witch!

:|

random....i am familiar with the bug. the only disadvantage is that your team gets a big ol serving of aggro with taters.

[Raging Nug]

Malditor wrote...

Someone said awhile back, why ban players who abuse glitches/exploits instead of fixing them.

I don't think I asked a question, I made a statement - better to fix than to ban, yes.

My answer and ban them and fix the issue, because from my experience, once someone starts using glitches and exploits they'll use any that are found.

And my experience tells me the opposite. Neither of us are right, because not everyone does it one way or the other.

[Raging Nug]

landylan wrote...
random....i am familiar with the bug. the only disadvantage is that your team gets a big ol serving of aggro with taters.

That and you're practically immobile, limited to whatever ammo you took with you, you can't help your teammates, and you can't see most of the map.

I'd consider those pretty big disadvantages, unless you normally camp for your entire play sessions. :\\

[landylan]

Raging Nug wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Someone said awhile back, why ban players who abuse glitches/exploits instead of fixing them.

I don't think I asked a question, I made a statement - better to fix than to ban, yes.

My answer and ban them and fix the issue, because from my experience, once someone starts using glitches and exploits they'll use any that are found.

And my experience tells me the opposite. Neither of us are right, because not everyone does it one way or the other.

i completely agree with malditor. if bioware did step in, they wouldnt say that an unintended aspect of the game was ok.

[Transairion]

That and you're practically immobile, limited to whatever ammo you took with you, you can't help your teammates, and you can't see most of the map

- Immobile is no issue if you can't be shot at properly
- Going for ammo with the jump-into-lake-then-poof-to-LZ is the only really dangerous part, yes
- Being up there isn't exactly helping (pre Krysae DLC) if you actually have other players
- You don't need to see the rest of the map when they come to you and flouder around in the bottom area, unable to reach you at all

I mean, they are technically disadvantages but the pair I was put in basically ignored them. I would hazard a guess that they'd done it many times before.

Modifié par Transairion, 12 juin 2012 - 02:24 .

[landylan]

Raging Nug wrote...

landylan wrote...
random....i am familiar with the bug. the only disadvantage is that your team gets a big ol serving of aggro with taters.

That and you're practically immobile, limited to whatever ammo you took with you, you can't help your teammates, and you can't see most of the map.

I'd consider those pretty big disadvantages, unless you normally camp for your entire play sessions. :

you can fall through the map and get more ammo at a landing zone with no baddies around it. cloak, run back, take position. those arent really disadvantages. you have thermal clip packs too. you can use one on each of the harder waves. you dont even have to use guns. i see asari sit up there and spam powers.

[Raging Nug]

landylan wrote...
i completely agree with malditor. if bioware did step in, they wouldnt say that an unintended aspect of the game was ok. 

We don't know it's unintended, and frankly this thread reaching eight pages with no word from them doesn't inspire confidance. :\\

[landylan]

Raging Nug wrote...

landylan wrote...
i completely agree with malditor. if bioware did step in, they wouldnt say that an unintended aspect of the game was ok. 

We don't know it's unintended, and frankly this thread reaching eight pages with no word from them doesn't inspire confidance. :

i cant believe you honestly think it may have been intended. this is a bug. there is a similar place on fbw that i will not describe, so it's not abused. these arent easter eggs. finding chocolate bunnies hidden in the corner of the map are easter eggs. this is not chocolate bunnies in the corner.

[Homey C-Dawg]

I wouldn't worry about it OP. Bioware has said that they thoroughly investigate all cases and only ban when there is concrete proof of cheating.

They can easily track things like altered weapons and credits because it's all logged server side, but I don't think they could identify the Hydra map glitch any more than they could identify individual instances of the vanguard glitch.

[Malditor]

Raging Nug wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Someone said awhile back, why ban players who abuse glitches/exploits instead of fixing them.

I don't think I asked a question, I made a statement - better to fix than to ban, yes.

My answer and ban them and fix the issue, because from my experience, once someone starts using glitches and exploits they'll use any that are found.

And my experience tells me the opposite. Neither of us are right, because not everyone does it one way or the other.

I'm not saying it needs to be a permanent ban, but some sort of punitive action should be taken if it is not intended in order to show those who used it that glitching/exploiting is not tolerated. That would scare most people straight. If someone were to perform similar actions after the initial temp ban/action then they should be perm banned.

[Atheosis]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I wouldn't worry about it OP. Bioware has said that they thoroughly investigate all cases and only ban when there is concrete proof of cheating.

They can easily track things like altered weapons and credits because it's all logged server side, but I don't think they could identify the Hydra map glitch any more than they could identify individual instances of the vanguard glitch.

Until a BW employee joins your game and sees you doing it...

[Malditor]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I wouldn't worry about it OP. Bioware has said that they thoroughly investigate all cases and only ban when there is concrete proof of cheating.

They can easily track things like altered weapons and credits because it's all logged server side, but I don't think they could identify the Hydra map glitch any more than they could identify individual instances of the vanguard glitch.

This is true, in order to really prove they were intentionally getting out of the map you'd have to show them via video evidence doing it repeatedly. This is something most people won't be equiped to do, unfortunately.

[Raging Nug]

landylan wrote...
i cant believe you honestly think it may have been intended. this is a bug. there is a similar place on fbw that i will not describe, so it's not abused. these arent easter eggs.

You're missing the point entirely, which is that if this was so obviously heinous, BW could take five minutes to mention it to us. The fact that they don't leaves doubt.

I'm not convinced either way, and frankly I'd rather them simply fix the game.

[BoomDynamite]

Drummernate wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

I do it all the time to people that hack in Battlefield and Gears.

"It has been my pleasure to assist EA/DICE/EPIC in keeping the leaderboard clean of modders and hackers.

/Reported.

Have a nice day!"

Thank you. Those are some of the few games I play. I hope you've aken some people down. I do it in CoD 4 all the time also, especially when I'm accused of being a hacker by using an M16 when they shoot through seventeen walls with an M82.

Actually I have gotten quite a few people reset/banned on Battlefield back when I played it a lot...
Maybe 15 off the conquest leaderboards.

Gears I am not too sure, but after reporting some of the 0:00 Beast Mode clears, I am now quite a few ranks higher.


(Had a guy kill me with the QBU-95 thingy... [The Semi-Auto DMR] on Battlefield today... with one shot from well over 200m like 40 times in a row. Without headshots.)

(Later in a different server there was a guy with 186/12 because he had a full auto M1911 that one-shotted and never reloaded.)

It's a shame. I haven't played BF in a while, so I don't know. I'm level 44, but with all of those hypocritical "NO SHOTGUNS" lobbies, I kinda' got bored because I wanted to test out the BF3 USAS. I also got it after it's nerf... I still need that surpressed AR. Is it any good if you have it?

[landylan]

Raging Nug wrote...

landylan wrote...
i cant believe you honestly think it may have been intended. this is a bug. there is a similar place on fbw that i will not describe, so it's not abused. these arent easter eggs.

You're missing the point entirely, which is that if this was so obviously heinous, BW could take five minutes to mention it to us. The fact that they don't leaves doubt.

I'm not convinced either way, and frankly I'd rather them simply fix the game.

i doubt bioware reads half the things on the forums. at times when i devote my full attention to my computer and reading all the new forum topics, i cant even read all the comments and things. they have a real job. i doubt these forums are their priority.
all you need to know is that this is a glitch. this glitch is being exploited. thats bad.