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Edge magazine (UK) reviews DA:O - scores it 5/10


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In the latest (Christmas 2009) edition of Edge magazine (UK) there is a review of Dragon Age:Origins. It is relentlessly negative, filled with criticisms of minor details that are blown out of proportion and odd observations that appear to be deliberately taken out of context so that they can be presented even more negatively.

If these comments were part of a forum post it would be fine to wearily dismiss them as "opinion", but magazines like Edge employ a lot of different writers, supposedly so that genre games can be reviewed by people who have knowledge - and a liking for - games in a specific genre. This enables the review to be written from the perspective of someone who can give a balanced view of the kind of game they like playing and provide some kind of useful service to readers. In this case, it looks as though they gave the game to someone who not only has a deep dislike for story based RPGs but possibly doesn't like video games at all.

For those unfamiliar with the magazine, Edge is multi-format, has been around for a long time, and likes to promote itself as "Videogame Culture", featuring such items as (in the latest issue): a report from the GameCity festival, an interview with Shigeru Miyamoto, various studio and developer profiles, industry employment ads as well as the standard game previews and reviews.

I'm not an Edge hater, by the way. I buy it fairly regularly and I had a retro review (of Lords of Midnight) printed in it a few years back. Just so you don't think I've got an agenda of my own as far as Edge is concerned!

The DA:O review is of the XBOX 360 version, although it makes references to the PC version. I may be using cynicism as a tool here but I wonder if reviewing the 360 version (they could easily have concentrated on the PC or PS3 version) was part of the ploy to skew the review towards the negative end of the scale. For each game reviewed, they only review it on one of the available platforms. It is commonly acknowledged that the 360 version is not the best of the bunch.

Ok, for skim readers, the following comments are not mine, they are from Edge magazine! They're presented here as they appear, not taken out of context to make them look worse, unlike the features of Dragon Age in the Edge review...

[Bioware's efforts] "have given us an RPG of great length, dubious execution and sparse charm that has familiar fantasy schlock as its major selling point."

"Fortunately, once you steel yourself to the banality of it, the land of Ferelden transpires to have been realised in some detail."

(Regarding the origin stories) "But the unfortunate fact remains that you could have a million possible stories, and none would matter if each was told this poorly."

"For the first ten hours it feels like every other step triggers an inept cutscene, and the crimes against writing here are many and severe."

"... in one of many scenes so clumsily scripted you almost wish you were reading a Dan Brown novel - which at least has the decency to be easy to set alight."

"With such absurdities to mouth it's no wonder the cast put in such staid and limp performances."
"Claudia Black ... is here stuck in a perpetual sneer as the inexplicably near-naked witch Morrigan."
"...some of the most awful performances we've ever witnessed in a videogame"

"The misery of Dragon Age's dramatic ambition is only compounded by the gruesome quality of its motion-capture and character modelling."

"Any one of these elements might be trivial in isolation, but the sum total of failures, in writing, acting and presentation, creates a cringe-inducing quality comparable to watching a school play performed through the medium of second-rate machinima."

This counts as one of the only positive comments in the review: "And even on the XBOX 360, not all of the environments are wretched."

"The dreadful dialogue, however, jettisons interest in the promising complexity of diplomacy and conversation trees, and the game struggles to make you care."

"Meanwhile, combat results in mostly linear dungeon crawls which often outstay their welcome."
"Yet it is so often calamitous that its few charms are either squandered or obscured."

On the naming of the game: "The subtitle suggests there will be more to come. On this evidence, that feels rather like a a threat."

Ok, so they didn't like it. The review isn't particularly long. I didn't have to cherry pick those comments, they litter almost every paragraph.

With hindsight, after reading the review a few times and writing it all down, I should probably just ignore it and carry on playing. However, I trust Edge magazine. Those guys know what they're talking about. Maybe I'll just quit DA because it's obviously nothing like the game I thought it was!

To get Edge's Dragon Age:Origins review score in perspective, here is the list of reviews (in the order they appear in this copy of Edge) and the scores awarded (out of 10):

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (360 version) - 9/10
Assassin's Creed 2 (PS3 version) - 8/10
Left 4 Dead 2 (version not specified) - 9/10
Bayonetta (360 version) - 10/10
Zelda: Spirit Tracks (DS) - 8/10
Sin & Punishment (Wii) - 8/10
Dragon Age: Origins (360 version, with a few references to PC version) - 5/10
Saw (360 version) - 4/10
Lit (Wii) - 7/10
Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles (Wii) - 7/10
Football Manager 2010 (PC) - 8/10
Tropico 3 (PC) - 7/10
Spaceball Evolution (Wii) - 5/10

Overall, the DA review (and blurb under screen shots) concentrates on the writing and voice acting, as well as some details such as the blood splattering on the party in fights. There's no mention of rogues, mages, warriors, spells, weapons, anything particularly relevant to playing the game at all. They even complain about the female imagery, misleadingly criticising the physical appearance of a particular enemy type as if they appear a lot more frequently than they do - and presented out of context. That bit is deliberately vague (on my part) because of the 'no spoilers' clause on this forum.

I don't really know where Edge was going with this review. They are either trying to be different by blatantly hating the game for the sake of it, or they gave it to someone who genuinely doesn't like cut-scenes or RPGs. Either way, it's quite a baffling read.

Over to you...

Modifié par Planetshooter, 12 décembre 2009 - 10:56 .


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There is already a whole thread about this. To put it shortly, hardly anyone cares about a non important magazine. Most people haven't even heard about this magazine.

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I didn't understand the sentence "Claudia Black ... is here stuck in a perpetual sneer as the inexplicably near-naked witch Morrigan." Is this critizing Claudia Black?

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1. There's already a 20+ page topic about this.

2. Your post is very hard to read because you don't use white space very effectively.

3. There's still no free version of the review, so the majority of us can't make an informed opinion about it.

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Probably one of those who think that games should try to emancipate themselves from books and movies, and therefore has a dislike for games that try to emulate such traditional narrative, except when they have crazy designs and hairstyles like JRPG, in which case it's more of a cultural phenomenon and can be forgiven even the most recycled story-ideas.

Modifié par Derengard, 12 décembre 2009 - 10:05 .


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They're only trying to get attention. And apparently they succeeded.

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eisberg77 wrote...

There is already a whole thread about this. To put it shortly, hardly anyone cares about a non important magazine. Most people haven't even heard about this magazine.


Thrust me when i say that Edge is the one and only professional bublication out there. I feel that their review is spot on (i have expressed what i think of the game) and the only one review that actually does take into consideration the games major flaws.

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They rated Call Of Duty MW2 9/10 nuff said

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Never even heard of Edge other than one or two people mentioning it in threads here.

And I worked at two game stores, three rental stores, and a book store for a total time working in places that WOULD carry such a magazine for (uhm) over a decade.



Edge came out when (the magazine)? Who writes it? Circulation?



You know what - I'll google it.



The magazine names I know - PC Gamer, Computer Gaming World, Official XBOX Magazine, Game Informer (is that a crappy magazine), Ninetendo Power ... I'm sure I'd recognize the PS magazine title if I saw it.

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The Edge is a smarmy, self-important publication that started out touting itself as a "next gen" magazine back when such terms were actually thought to matter, and still tries to like an aging decrepid rock star trying to recall his 5 minutes of glory.



Their word is less than dirt to me.

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5/10 is of course ridiculous. That said, it's hard to disagree with some of the criticisms. It's true, the shortcomings in DA:O add up. Though it's of course unfair to criticize story and presentation so much, when on the other hand games get so highly rated that have none at all.

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The graphics on 360 are nowhere near as bad as some make them out to be. They sacrificed some detail in environments for better detail in character models. No problem. Many of the animations are impressive. There are alot of clipping problems though.



I thought the acting and the story were a very high point of the game. The combat is great, and the interface is extremely well thought out for a game controller making a game of this complexity very easy to play and get into on the 360.



Just as an aside why do people care if there is already another thread about this? Do you get a junior moderator badge for mentioning that or something? Further I don't even like to post in 20 page threads. In my opinion old threads should be locked closed after 4 or 5 pages and new ones should be allowed to be formed. Sifting through a 20 page thread is lame.

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Any semblance of fair reviewing is immediately torpedoed by the fact that they gave Bayonetta 10/10.

Exactly *why* does a gimmicky Devil May Cry clone deserve a perfect score, which 10/10 denotes? Oh right because the chick in it is naked half the time right? Shows you what kind of people are reviewing there.

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MerinTB wrote...

Never even heard of Edge other than one or two people mentioning it in threads here.
And I worked at two game stores, three rental stores, and a book store for a total time working in places that WOULD carry such a magazine for (uhm) over a decade.

Edge came out when (the magazine)? Who writes it? Circulation?

You know what - I'll google it.

The magazine names I know - PC Gamer, Computer Gaming World, Official XBOX Magazine, Game Informer (is that a crappy magazine), Ninetendo Power ... I'm sure I'd recognize the PS magazine title if I saw it.


They're one of those stuck-up, "we're better than you" magzines that's based in the UK and has a tiny circulation (~28k last time I checked).  The idea that they're somehow important amuses me greatly.

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You are right, that why companies still trust and respect their reviews as well as considering them professional enough to be the -only- western games bublication to have companies ask talented people to join through their pages.



You may not like what edge says and in the end if you enjoy something it does not indeed but Edges word is as professional and accurate as you can get and all this with zero fanboyism and favoritism.

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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (360 version) - 9/10 ...... LOL ......

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Ok, did some research - here's 2008 circulation numbers:

Edge - @29,000 (just under)

PC Gamer - 32,600

Nintendo Power - @450,000

OXM - @490,000

Game Informer - @3,500,000



Computer Gaming World ended in 2006, replaced by Games for Windows that then ended in 2008.



Note - Game Informer is a bit unfair as you get a subscription with their discount card, so their numbers are artificially inflated.



But Edge is the lowest circulation. No wonder I never heard of it.

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Numbers mean jack, if we are to take cold hard numbers then we say that Britney Spears is the very best the music scene has to offer which is of course not even near the mark.

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The fact that they reviewed an RPG on a Platform and not a PC already makes them look foolish.

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Edge also gave Dragon quest on PS2 9/10 don't remember awesome dialog in that either.



Edge have lost thier edge.

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Sam -stone- serious wrote...

eisberg77 wrote...

There is already a whole thread about this. To put it shortly, hardly anyone cares about a non important magazine. Most people haven't even heard about this magazine.


Thrust me when i say that Edge is the one and only professional bublication out there. I feel that their review is spot on (i have expressed what i think of the game) and the only one review that actually does take into consideration the games major flaws.



Because you say so? Riiight. :whistle:

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They also gave Morrowind 5/10 and Oblivion 8/10

Modifié par Skellimancer, 12 décembre 2009 - 10:26 .


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Sam -stone- serious wrote...

You are right, that why companies still trust and respect their reviews as well as considering them professional enough to be the -only- western games bublication to have companies ask talented people to join through their pages.

You may not like what edge says and in the end if you enjoy something it does not indeed but Edges word is as professional and accurate as you can get and all this with zero fanboyism and favoritism.


That says nothing about the quality of their reviews.

Hey, game companies come to my school all the time looking for new employees.  Does that mean that I'm qualified to give "professional and accurate" reviews with "zero fanboyism and favoritism"?

By the way, they're scored Wii Baseball higher than DA:O.  Silly.

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That they didn't like it should hardly matter to most partricipants here.  I have already bought Dragon Age: Origins and have found it very satisfactory.  The excerpts suggest that I wouldnt've liked the review itself.  The samples given make is sound like it just melodramatically assaults the game with adjectives.  Bad reviews can be fun, but as often as not, they are themselves just bad.

Regardless, critics have no coercive power, they can only inform and influence opinion not, although some might have higher pretensions, command it.

I also really don't like the suggestion that they reviewed the game badly for the sake of attention.  Attempt to disqualify a review for reasons other than it contents are almost always sill and vacuous.  Surely it would have been far more provocative to rate Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 badly rather than just wantonly add to its pile of 9s.

The internet is weird about opinions.  Weird in a bad way.

Incidentally, why, Sam-stone-Serious, do you keep referring to Edge as a, "bublication?"

Modifié par Delthayre, 12 décembre 2009 - 10:32 .


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They decided to lapse on to DAO to get some attention to themselves by giving a bad review.



I say pay it no mind.