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[RoninOmega]

Fable 2 a 9??? That game was not good compared to the first one, and the setting of the game drove me crazy, why was there a freakin camera in the game?



I liked the first one but the second wasn't all too good for me



but compared to morrowind and oblivion, these 2 games faired more better then fable 2 in my opinion, and why did oblivion get more then morrowind?





Yeah... that IS edge for you.

[Sam -stone- serious]

Luchaire wrote...

Basileus777 wrote...



Edge reviews of some wrpgs:



Mass Effect - 7/10
Jade Empire - 7/10
KotOR - 9/10
Baldur's Gate 2 - 8/10
The Witcher - 5/10
Morrowind - 6/10
Oblivion - 8/10
Fallout 3 - 7/10
Diablo - 7/10
Diablo II - 6/10
Arcanum - 5
Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines - 6
Fallout 1 - 7
Fable - 8/10
Fable 2 - 9/10

Does this strike you as a relable publication for reviews of RPGs?

Huh. This actually appears to be a very useful magazine. I can base my game purchasing decisions on how Edge rates them - the lower the score they give, the more I'll like it. My favorite games (DAO, Arcanum, VTMB, Morrowind, The Witcher), all rated 6 or lower. :happy:

Unfortunately these old games were unplayable in their released state which makes the reviews quite plausable. Witcher Enhanced edition got an 8 and VTMB got an 8 as well. You are too quick to judge and put the blame on something that is absolutely right.

[Skellimancer]

Sam -stone- serious wrote...

Luchaire wrote...

Basileus777 wrote...



Edge reviews of some wrpgs:



Mass Effect - 7/10
Jade Empire - 7/10
KotOR - 9/10
Baldur's Gate 2 - 8/10
The Witcher - 5/10
Morrowind - 6/10
Oblivion - 8/10
Fallout 3 - 7/10
Diablo - 7/10
Diablo II - 6/10
Arcanum - 5
Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines - 6
Fallout 1 - 7
Fable - 8/10
Fable 2 - 9/10

Does this strike you as a relable publication for reviews of RPGs?

Huh. This actually appears to be a very useful magazine. I can base my game purchasing decisions on how Edge rates them - the lower the score they give, the more I'll like it. My favorite games (DAO, Arcanum, VTMB, Morrowind, The Witcher), all rated 6 or lower. :happy:

Unfortunately these old games were unplayable in their released state which makes the reviews quite plausable. Witcher Enhanced edition got an 8 and VTMB got an 8 as well. You are too quick to judge and put the blame on something that is absolutely right.

..in your opinion.

Fable 2 higher than Baldur's Gate 2. what the hell.

[Sam -stone- serious]

Baldurs Gate is actually a stone cold 9 but as explained in the review its actually a 10 ONCE the game crushing bugs were fixed. You can consider BG2 a 10 easily.



For the record i have NOT played Fable 2 so i dont really know.

[RoninOmega]

Sam -stone- serious wrote...

Luchaire wrote...

Basileus777 wrote...



Edge reviews of some wrpgs:



Mass Effect - 7/10
Jade Empire - 7/10
KotOR - 9/10
Baldur's Gate 2 - 8/10
The Witcher - 5/10
Morrowind - 6/10
Oblivion - 8/10
Fallout 3 - 7/10
Diablo - 7/10
Diablo II - 6/10
Arcanum - 5
Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines - 6
Fallout 1 - 7
Fable - 8/10
Fable 2 - 9/10

Does this strike you as a relable publication for reviews of RPGs?

Huh. This actually appears to be a very useful magazine. I can base my game purchasing decisions on how Edge rates them - the lower the score they give, the more I'll like it. My favorite games (DAO, Arcanum, VTMB, Morrowind, The Witcher), all rated 6 or lower. :happy:

Unfortunately these old games were unplayable in their released state which makes the reviews quite plausable. Witcher Enhanced edition got an 8 and VTMB got an 8 as well. You are too quick to judge and put the blame on something that is absolutely right.

Whatever the hell do you mean they were unplayable?  And plus your supposed to review the game based on its real stuff, not "oh its unplayable WORST GAME EVER", but of course make note on the unplayable part and wait for patch in your review

bethesda sure, they had bugs on their games, but it didn't render them unplayable

I am not to keen on witcher either so probably the 8 is satisfactory

mass effect and jade empire were not unplayable, they actually deserve way more then just a 7...

Modifié par RoninOmega, 12 décembre 2009 - 11:38 .

[thegreateski]

Sam -stone- serious wrote...
For the record i have NOT played Fable 2 so i dont really know.

You would want to strangle children about 30 mins into it.

[Sam -stone- serious]

If it didnt have progress stoping bugs, cliping that you could fall through floors, whole mechanic sequences not working, key items missing from the world and other "nice" such things as the older games had then it can be ok. Having glitches is one thing, having (game)word destroying "features" is quite another.

[RoninOmega]

Sam -stone- serious wrote...

If it didnt have progress stoping bugs, cliping that you could fall through floors, whole mechanic sequences not working, key items missing from the world and other "nice" such things as the older games had then it can be ok. Having glitches is one thing, having (game)word destroying "features" is quite another.

Who ever said any of these games wern't in the progress of stopping their own bugs?

Yeah keep note of the bugs, but don't say its one of the worst games overall just because of simple bugs that can get fixed.

[VanDraegon]

Sam -stone- serious wrote...
I cant. I dont know how. I dont care enough really to start doing so e either. Since i am an Edge reader since 1996 there have been numerous remarks from the industry towards them through the years and it still happens today.

So, since you are unable or unwilling to back up your claims of their supposed authority with some links to references, you really cannot be taken seriously at your claims. As a reader since 1996, you really shouldnt have any trouble providing such.

[Sam -stone- serious]

Whatever the hell do you mean they were unplayable?  And plus your supposed to review the game based on its real stuff, not "oh its unplayable WORST GAME EVER", but of course make note on the unplayable part and wait for patch in your review

bethesda sure, they had bugs on their games, but it didn't render them unplayable

I am not to keen on witcher either so probably the 8 is satisfactory

mass effect and jade empire were not unplayable, they actually deserve way more then just a 7...

Unplayable as in progress stoping bugs. Things that dont work at all. Key items missing from the game. Stuff like that. Have you played VTMB  Version 1?  Try it. Come back and tell us your experience with it and give us your own Version 1 review. Thats why there are updates for each game in later issues. Thats why you NEED  to READ  the FREAKIN  REVIEW  before you go saying that "it got a 6".

Dont give too much weight into the number itself. READ  the review. All of it. Only then you will know.

[Luchaire]

Sam -stone- serious wrote...
Unfortunately these old games were unplayable in their released state

Bollocks. Except VTMB, which I didn't purchase until it had been out some time, I bought all of the mentioned games on release day. All were quite playable and enjoyable from day 1. Some may have had minor bugs but nothing show-stopping and certainly nothing worth down-rating them for.

At any rate, looking over this thread, it's beginning to look like you work for Edge. 

[deadrockstar]

I agree with a lot of their points, specifically on the writing/dialogue front. I believe the voice acting is generally very, very good, but Claudia Black really doesn't cut it for me so I have to concede there too (although I do wonder how much of my own criticism would be down to what I perceive as a poor script for Morrigan).

DA:O features an interesting, fun and scalable combat system and its launch was 99.99% bug free. The presentation, while not 'cutting edge', is well directed and beautifully realised. That is the gaming part of any review and what Edge would normally focus on. On these aspects DA:O is easily a 9/10 and I simply don't think I've played such an expansive game that was so technically solid.

However, DA:O is more than this - more than Assassin's Creed or MW2. It is a piece of literature that happens to delivered in the gaming medium and, unfortunately, it falls short in this aspect. Edge seem to have focused almost entirely on this and I can't blame them - DA:O is Bioware's latest attempt at developing their own IP franchise and this is probably what would interest industry readers more than anything. We all know Bioware can crank out beautifully crafted and technically polished titles - in fact, they have have a reputation for it (one of the best).

Looking at the score you'd think it was a terrible review, but you have to consider who the magazine is written for. Plus, Bioware titles are always going to score lower than other titles because they are always a lot more ambitious and cross-discipline. It may be unfortunate that Edge have focused on on the writing (in particular), but that does happen to be a big part of Bioware releases.

I don't know where the line lies on such reviews. You can't really compare MW2 and DA:O on the same scale because MW2 has practically no writing of note. Bioware have created a fully-realised lore and an interesting world - I don't think there is any doubt there. I just think something has been lost in the writing (or at least in the direction of it). It's a little harsh to give DA:O a 5, but I understand Edge's reasons.

Rest-assured that if MW2 was reviewed with the same technique we'd probably be looking at a lower score. I love literature first and gaming second - in fact, I view gaming as an exciting 'new' medium to deliver literature through (big Tale-Of-Tales fan, which is a lot on the more experiemental side). Blah, I don't care - a 5/10 for DA:O will always beat the latest graphically intensive frag-fest. Really, these games offer little I haven't already experienced way back in the day playing DOOM. I'm not saying DA:O offered me anything new either, but at least it trying to do things right. With the dearth of games in this genre over the past decade, I think it sits quite smugly as the best for a long while.

Modifié par deadrockstar, 12 décembre 2009 - 11:45 .

[Sam -stone- serious]

So, since you are unable or unwilling to back up your claims of their supposed authority with some links to references, you really cannot be taken seriously at your claims. As a reader since 1996, you really shouldnt have any trouble providing such.

I really dont have the means to it. Edge is not some E-magazine i can wildly go and quote from. All the important stuff is in the magazine issues themselves. You are so curious as to why this magazine is considered THE professional magazine? Go and get it yourself. Why do you need me to show you some arbitery things taken out of context which you will not believe anyway?

At least i DO  read the magazine. I dont go on about accusing stuff out of thin air. You cant take something out of context and comment on it, you need the WHOLE  thing. Dragon Age got 5/10 and this is exactly what you have taken and comented on. Did you read the ACTUAL  review?

[xguild]

The edge is a notoriously bad magazine which seems to always go against the grain. Whenever a popular game is released they give it horrible reviews, its practically a gimic for them.

In the list of top 100 games to play today they listed

Sims 2
Far Cry
Star Fo 64
Panel De Pon

Jus to name a few... 90% of the games aren't even on the list I would consider play at all, let alone on a top 100 list. No offense its a magazine run by tards with credibility about as good as George W. Bush.

Modifié par xguild, 12 décembre 2009 - 11:53 .

[TheWarProdigy]

i never really played fable, so after hearing some of the hubbub about it. i figured hey, look... games on demand has fable II part 1 for download for free. it was like a generous demo. well, i was very unimpressed with it. glad i never bothered with it (i had mass effect, elder scroll series, kotor and such to keep me busy). as for game reviews, the places i go to usually mention bugs and will re-score a game once a patch is released (or give the game the benefit-of-the-doubt if it's a reputable game company as to score it before a patch is available). but yeah, some things you just can't patch.

[xguild]

These guys gave Fallout 1 a 7/10? My wife who hates gaming and would rather go to the dentist would give that game a better review... Edge=Tards

[VanDraegon]

Sam -stone- serious wrote...
 Did you read the ACTUAL  review?

I read what was provided here as i am not a subscriber to that site. Since i find it unlikely that the OP decided to fabricate his own quotes and attribute them to Edge, i will take them at face value.

While i generally disagree with just about everything they wrote that i am able to comment on, the few points where i feel i might have had some agreement with them i was completely turned off by the juvenile snarky comments. Pretty unprofessional, imo.

[Sam -stone- serious]

Luchaire wrote...

Sam -stone- serious wrote...
Unfortunately these old games were unplayable in their released state

Bollocks. Except VTMB, which I didn't purchase until it had been out some time, I bought all of the mentioned games on release day. All were quite playable and enjoyable from day 1. Some may have had minor bugs but nothing show-stopping and certainly nothing worth down-rating them for.

At any rate, looking over this thread, it's beginning to look like you work for Edge. 

Really? Might i remind you Morrowinds famous "ops i fell through solid ground and into pixel doom" when you ascended slopes? The infamous loading hours of doom of the NON  enhanced Witcher, insanely bad controls and inventory and completely out of place conversation system? 

At any rate, yeah i can see that -some- will throw about some wiseass comment of me getting paid by edge or some other stupidity but its ok. I have been a reader of Edge for 13 years now and i was shocked at first by its stict and no mercy reviews but i have come acustomed to it and learned that when it comes to Edge NEVER to take things out of context.

[Skellimancer]

Sam -stone- serious wrote...


I really dont have the means to it. Edge is not some E-magazine i can wildly go and quote from. All the important stuff is in the magazine issues themselves.

I got an issue right beside me so lets take a look at a quote from Far Cry instincts on original XBox.

"Without giving too much away, Instincts' closing hours plumb the depths of desolation that few games are sophisticated enough to realize, or even imagine. An island that once wound itself into a labyrinth of pristine and somewhat generic interiors has, under montral, been smashed burned and dehumanised. As darkness falls and carver becomes truly bestial, the players heart feels aptly lost between the islands welcoming shores and the bedlam that surrounds its volcanic core."

wat
Game got 8/10 btw.

Modifié par Skellimancer, 13 décembre 2009 - 12:22 .

[RoninOmega]

deadrockstar wrote...

I agree with a lot of their points, specifically on the writing/dialogue front. I believe the voice acting is generally very, very good, but Claudia Black really doesn't cut it for me so I have to concede there too (although I do wonder how much of my own criticism would be down to what I perceive as a poor script for Morrigan).

DA:O features an interesting, fun and scalable combat system and its launch was 99.99% bug free. The presentation, while not 'cutting edge', is well directed and beautifully realised. That is the gaming part of any review and what Edge would normally focus on. On these aspects DA:O is easily a 9/10 and I simply don't think I've played such an expansive game that was so technically solid.

However, DA:O is more than this - more than Assassin's Creed or MW2. It is a piece of literature that happens to delivered in the gaming medium and, unfortunately, it falls short in this aspect. Edge seem to have focused almost entirely on this and I can't blame them - DA:O is Bioware's latest attempt at developing their own IP franchise and this is probably what would interest industry readers more than anything. We all know Bioware can crank out beautifully crafted and technically polished titles - in fact, they have have a reputation for it (one of the best).

Looking at the score you'd think it was a terrible review, but you have to consider who the magazine is written for. Plus, Bioware titles are always going to score lower than other titles because they are always a lot more ambitious and cross-discipline. It may be unfortunate that Edge have focused on on the writing (in particular), but that does happen to be a big part of Bioware releases.

I don't know where the line lies on such reviews. You can't really compare MW2 and DA:O on the same scale because MW2 has practically no writing of note. Bioware have created a fully-realised lore and an interesting world - I don't think there is any doubt there. I just think something has been lost in the writing (or at least in the direction of it). It's a little harsh to give DA:O a 5, but I understand Edge's reasons.

Rest-assured that if MW2 was reviewed with the same technique we'd probably be looking at a lower score. I love literature first and gaming second - in fact, I view gaming as an exciting 'new' medium to deliver literature through (big Tale-Of-Tales fan, which is a lot on the more experiemental side). Blah, I don't care - a 5/10 for DA:O will always beat the latest graphically intensive frag-fest. Really, these games offer little I haven't already experienced way back in the day playing DOOM. I'm not saying DA:O offered me anything new either, but at least it trying to do things right. With the dearth of games in this genre over the past decade, I think it sits quite smugly as the best for a long while.

Maybe the writing part of their review could suffice, and yeah they were mostly on the writing part, but I don't think it was right to review a game overall badly for some of its writing, no matter if it was a bioware game.  They could've at least pointed out in big letter "Dragon age origins, writing and story"

Plus given some of the other rpg reviews, especially the one on fable 2, I still stand by my opinion that their just mainstream based reviews, not focusing on the important parts of the game, and that if someone were to accuse edge of being on someone's payroll in their review, I couldn't blame em

[Derengard]

Ok, nothing against Edge, but this reviewer, and this review I can't take really serious. There is nothing objective about it. Maybe he has some superior obective ideals, what do I know, but this review, unless every point is just made up by the OP, is poor.

[Shaggytbj]

I think Sam is trying to get the edge some publicity, but considering how awfull review and their history of geving em its a very bad one. Its another lessen to never trust reviews too much and do your own thinking when looking at games. Any decent Mag whould know how to publish reviews within genres and let personal feelings aside as much as possible, seemed like a FPS shooter fan geving a WRPG a review, then the 5/10 is hardly surprising.

I could write a long post but too tired tonight, but i dont think its worth it when "edge" is showing em selfs to very ignorant to RPG genre in my opinion. To be taken serious you have to show your serious about what you do, before that happens then forget it.

DA:O have its issues but for a WRPG its outstanding in terms of immersion and dialogue and voice overs which is is the core of of a good RPG ( Main plot story isne original tho ). A good WRPG dont need super high graphics as thats not really what "makes" a game good in it self, my personal opinion and what i judge a good WRPG is does it feel like an good interactive book while playing ? if it does then i think the game did succed at what this game aimed to do with its focus group.

And im playing it on a high end PC and on max settings the game i absolutely beautiful and for obvious reasons P3/360 cant hope to compete with a quality PC as those consoles are outdated hardware by a long shot.

Modifié par Shaggytbj, 13 décembre 2009 - 12:17 .

[Sam -stone- serious]

VanDraegon wrote...

Sam -stone- serious wrote...
 Did you read the ACTUAL  review?

I read what was provided here as i am not a subscriber to that site. Since i find it unlikely that the OP decided to fabricate his own quotes and attribute them to Edge, i will take them at face value.

While i generally disagree with just about everything they wrote that i am able to comment on, the few points where i feel i might have had some agreement with them i was completely turned off by the juvenile snarky comments. Pretty unprofessional, imo.

What was provided by the OP is only extracts, quotes that have been taken out of context from the whole of the review and particularly those that badmouth it quite a bit. Let me say that IGN has similar remarks and makes almost the same review of the game and i swear that reading the IGN  review will make you think that they have given the game less than 6 but no. They have given it a 9. They DO  say however that all these problems dont really matter in the face of such "grandure" which is the key aspect of each review. Edge did NOT overlook the problems which is what the lot of you seem to have a problem with. Does it seem a little too clinical?  Well i guess it is but its that hard cold facts anyway. It was the same with Mass Effect. They said "Its the best game of the year even with its flaws" (for when it came out).

As i said, their reviews are very "clinical" because they have said themselves that there is no real review and all will play what they like. What they CAN  review however is the things that can be reviewed and thus will rate each game as such. To have a better idea however you NEED  to read the review. You cant see the "7" or "8" or "5" and call it a day. Thats a BIG  mistake from your part when its Edge we are talking about.

[Derengard]

"We all know Bioware can crank out beautifully crafted and technically polished titles - in fact, they have have a reputation for it (one of the best)."

Yeah, we all know. No, wait, I thought they had a reputation for technically mediocre titles but strong storytelling. Hmm. Two objective facts against each other.


To be serious, I don't agree with any one point mentioned. The reviewer seems to have some fixed ideas about how fantasy RPGs have to be written, and any style or path that falls outside that, is immediately a mistake. Anyone should be able to see that the writing is very solid and with a clear direction compared to anything ever delivered in this medium.

Modifié par Derengard, 13 décembre 2009 - 12:29 .