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[The Angry One]

Luchaire wrote...

Sam -stone- serious wrote...
Unfortunately these old games were unplayable in their released state

Bollocks. Except VTMB, which I didn't purchase until it had been out some time, I bought all of the mentioned games on release day. All were quite playable and enjoyable from day 1. Some may have had minor bugs but nothing show-stopping and certainly nothing worth down-rating them for.

At any rate, looking over this thread, it's beginning to look like you work for Edge. 

The supposed unplayability of VTMB was grossly exagerrated. Yeah, it could get bad. But honestly I got it on release and found it more or less as playable as Oblivion on release.
And the difference here is, VTMB was semi fixed despite it's developer going bankrupt. Oblivion never was despite Bethesda raking in obscene amounts of money.

[Charliff01]

Since Sam refuses to backup anything he says...troll obvious and not wanted around here besides giving us some amusement..Edge must be desperate to use Sam to get some credit.

[Darpaek]

Hey guys! Don't forget that Edge gave PS:T 3/10. Their main criticism: you die too much and getting back up "cheapens death." LOL!

I agree with a several of their DA:O criticisms, though. Don't get me wrong - I've thoroughly enjoyed the game and I've replayed it more than once already - but I am somewhat amazed at the almost across the board outstanding reviews that DA:O recieved. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but the overwhelming enthusiasm from almost ALL reviews does make you wonder if someone is rubbing someone else's rhubarb

5/10 is pretty stupid. DA:O is a very good game. Only time will tell, but I don't know if it'll be remembered as a GREAT game. I'd give it a very strong 7 if not an 8.

As to the guy claiming that BG wasn't playable out of the box - you're insane.  I'm old enough to remember playing it right out of the box.  All of my friends did, as well.  There weren't even noticeable bugs beyond certain slowdown issues (hardware-specific), much less gamebreakers.

Modifié par Darpaek, 13 décembre 2009 - 12:33 .

[12monkeys]

well, the game developer and publisher cannot eat reviews, though they can learn from them i the hopes of improving their games. several patches for dao within just a month of release is just admirable for me. and they have made my gaming experience much more enjoyable.

that being said, it ultimately boils down to sales; if dao sells well, then it is a testament to the appeal of the game, not just to diehard d & d players, but to the mainstream market as well. 

and i do hope it succeeds, because dao for me is a leap of faith and an improvement over what bioware has done before. i hope it breeds more innovation. 

[The Angry One]

Darpaek wrote...

Hey guys! Don't forget that Edge gave PS:T 3/10. Their main criticism: you die too much and getting back up "cheapens death." LOL!

I'm not even very fond of PS:T and even I can see that's terminally stupid.

[Darpaek]

The Angry One wrote...

I'm not even very fond of PS:T and even I can see that's terminally stupid.

Shhhhhhh...  we don't say things like that around here... 

[Delthayre]

I imagine that Edge also cured cancer, solved world hunger and in fact turned out to be the second coming of Jesus Christ.

[chuckles471]

I don't think someone who loves traditional wRPGs should review a wRPG game like dragon age because a person who loves traditional wRPGs is going to call it one of best things he has played in the last ten years. wRPGs aren't the most accessible games out their and for a reviewer to go "this game is better than crack cocaine"(My review) , you are going to get alot of pissed off casual,FPS.action etc. gamers who will write more angry e-mails than you guys can because they have just wasted money on a game you recommended.



I hate to say it but edge are right. If it was reviewed by an traditional wRPG fan it would get the 9 or 10 but they aren't a traditional wRPG mag and have to take into account for their readership because some are going to buy the game based on the review. And once again I hate to say the traditional wRPG fans are the niche market on the grand scale of things.

[Sam -stone- serious]

Darpaek wrote...

Hey guys! Don't forget that Edge gave PS:T 3/10. Their main criticism: you die too much and getting back up "cheapens death." LOL!

Really? Would you mind telling me which issue that is because the one i have right here on my shelf has it at an 8/10 with the only big problems being pathfinding ones. Otherwise its an "exquisite piece of work that for a 3D game to try and mimic it would need an unholy ammount of money to render even one of its rooms" 

Unless of course your 3/10 remark was a sarcastic one.

[MerinTB]

Anyone else think Sam -stone- serious comes across as either someone who works for Edge, knows someone who works for Edge, or WANTS TO work for Edge?



He comes across as such.

[The Angry One]

chuckles471 wrote...

I don't think someone who loves traditional wRPGs should review a wRPG game like dragon age because a person who loves traditional wRPGs is going to call it one of best things he has played in the last ten years. wRPGs aren't the most accessible games out their and for a reviewer to go "this game is better than crack cocaine"(My review) , you are going to get alot of pissed off casual,FPS.action etc. gamers who will write more angry e-mails than you guys can because they have just wasted money on a game you recommended.

I hate to say it but edge are right. If it was reviewed by an traditional wRPG fan it would get the 9 or 10 but they aren't a traditional wRPG mag and have to take into account for their readership because some are going to buy the game based on the review. And once again I hate to say the traditional wRPG fans are the niche market on the grand scale of things.

That's stupid. You could say the same of any genre.
I'm not a fan of FPS, I think they're vapid, repetitive and gratuitous. So by this logic I'm the perfect one to review your Half-Lifes and your Halos and whatnot and give them all 4/10 because they're not my thing.

[SeanMurphy2]

Supposedly Dragon Age has terrible story, voiceacting, characters, dialogue, cutscenes, gameplay, combat, animation, character modelling and graphics. And the sum of its parts is even worse.

And apparently  the voice actors in Dragon age put in "...some of the most awful performances we've ever witnessed in a videogame"


It is just the opinion of one guy. It seems like he is not fond of the genre. And resented having to review the game. I can't take him seriously or would let myself be bothered by what he thinks.

Modifié par SeanMurphy2, 13 décembre 2009 - 01:09 .

[Darpaek]

There's a link to the review in the 20 page thread. And you're either full of **** or a walking fire hazard.

[Sam -stone- serious]

MerinTB wrote...

Anyone else think Sam -stone- serious comes across as either someone who works for Edge, knows someone who works for Edge, or WANTS TO work for Edge?

He comes across as such.

Only the idiots mate. Only the idiots.

[deadrockstar]

Derengard wrote...

Yeah, we all know. No, wait, I thought they had a reputation for technically mediocre titles but strong storytelling. Hmm. Two objective facts against each other.

They certainly have a reputation for that too! That's the aspect the reviewer focused on and I do think it is a harsh review. Technical polish is not the same as pushing out the technical envelope though - Minesweeper, now there is a techically polished game.

[Deflagratio]

Honestly, I see this as reviewed by someone who got their ass kicked dozens of times and finally just got fed up and started crying.



Evidence: Absolutely no mention of the actual gameplay, which surprisingly for a Bioware game, IS the strongest point of this title.



Someone said there was no Free Review? Zero Punctuation did it, and, if you actually pick through the entertainment inflated exaggeration, you can generally get some good info about a game. In this case, considering that Yahtzee doesn't even care for RPGs, but found the game compelling enough to "Play for 25hours and still want to see what was coming up next..." I'll take that as a positive sign if there ever was one.



*Free* reviews are a little hard to judge, you can't really take someone's word that they don't get any compensation, I prefer a review system that doesn't take a magical numeric score and tack it on for easy reference, it's one of the reasons I respect The Escapist so much as an online review source.

[ransompendragon]

If Edge is -the- industry magazine, why don't their crushing reviews of buggy games have the effect of encouraging publishers to release complete games? Right? I mean if PC Gamer scores a game lower because of bugs, who cares, not the publishers. But the industry listens to Edge! We better release a playable game!



FWIW, I haven't finished DAO so am not currently thinking of writing an objective review. =)

I look at reviews to point me towards games I have a higher probability of enjoying. Also, I enjoyed The Witcher, original with very few issues, in fact I can't think of any. Sure there were annoyances but nothing game breaking. I enjoyed it so much I purchased the Enhanced Edition to support the developer. (But I haven't even opened it yet).

[Spaceweed10]

Ekyri wrote...

I didn't understand the sentence "Claudia Black ... is here stuck in a perpetual sneer as the inexplicably near-naked witch Morrigan." Is this critizing Claudia Black?

I understand it perfectly.

I have to admit, the gushing of folk regarding the VA in this game, is just astonishing.  Seriously, most of you wouldn't know a decent VO if it bit you in the arse.

There is a reason why ordinary actors/actresses appear in video games - because they are ORDINARY.  There are a small minority of decent performances in the game, but overall it is extremely average, and some of it is downright laughable.

It didn't detract from my enjoyment particularly, because I know what to expect beforehand.  As for Claudia Black, well, she had two expressions as Morrigan - A & B.  No surprise to me.

/shrug.

[Skellimancer]

Deflagratio wrote...

Honestly, I see this as reviewed by someone who got their ass kicked dozens of times and finally just got fed up and started crying.

Evidence: Absolutely no mention of the actual gameplay, which surprisingly for a Bioware game, IS the strongest point of this title.

Someone said there was no Free Review? Zero Punctuation did it, and, if you actually pick through the entertainment inflated exaggeration, you can generally get some good info about a game. In this case, considering that Yahtzee doesn't even care for RPGs, but found the game compelling enough to "Play for 25hours and still want to see what was coming up next..." I'll take that as a positive sign if there ever was one.

*Free* reviews are a little hard to judge, you can't really take someone's word that they don't get any compensation, I prefer a review system that doesn't take a magical numeric score and tack it on for easy reference, it's one of the reasons I respect The Escapist so much as an online review source.

I love Yahtzee and his reviews.

Seen his Saints Row 2 review? he actually sounded like he enjoyed it even though he hates the culture of ganster rap, etc.

[Spaceweed10]

Charliff01 wrote...

Since Sam refuses to backup anything he says...troll obvious and not wanted around here besides giving us some amusement..Edge must be desperate to use Sam to get some credit.

Oblivion - another massively overrated game by RPG fans, who incidentally would be the last ones I'd ever ask for a critical opinion of a game I wanted to buy.

[chuckles471]

The Angry One wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

I don't think someone who loves traditional wRPGs should review a wRPG game like dragon age because a person who loves traditional wRPGs is going to call it one of best things he has played in the last ten years. wRPGs aren't the most accessible games out their and for a reviewer to go "this game is better than crack cocaine"(My review) , you are going to get alot of pissed off casual,FPS.action etc. gamers who will write more angry e-mails than you guys can because they have just wasted money on a game you recommended.

I hate to say it but edge are right. If it was reviewed by an traditional wRPG fan it would get the 9 or 10 but they aren't a traditional wRPG mag and have to take into account for their readership because some are going to buy the game based on the review. And once again I hate to say the traditional wRPG fans are the niche market on the grand scale of things.

That's stupid. You could say the same of any genre.
I'm not a fan of FPS, I think they're vapid, repetitive and gratuitous. So by this logic I'm the perfect one to review your Half-Lifes and your Halos and whatnot and give them all 4/10 because they're not my thing.

How is it stupid for a magazine to think about what it's readers like?  

I didn't say get someone who hates the genre to review it but you probably would be good at pointing out the flaws in a first-person game that a fan wouldn't see.  Also where is all the anger coming from all they did was review game.   C'mon you guys sound like fanboys and I know these forums are better than that.

[Darpaek]

chuckles471 wrote...

 C'mon you guys sound like fanboys and I know these forums are better than that.

::Snort::  New here, huh?  

[ModForFun]

Sam -stone- serious wrote...

You are right, that why companies still trust and respect their reviews as well as considering them professional enough to be the -only- western games bublication to have companies ask talented people to join through their pages.

You may not like what edge says and in the end if you enjoy something it does not indeed but Edges word is as professional and accurate as you can get and all this with zero fanboyism and favoritism.

There are also publications that exist both in print and online that will only give positive reviews on titles that are advertised through them and slam the hell out of a title that isnt. I dont know much about the Edge, but I do know that DA is far better then a 5/10 rating, despite its flaws most of the game is extremely well done and the overall game play is indeed addicting.

DA deserves nothing short of 8/10

[chuckles471]

Darpaek wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

 C'mon you guys sound like fanboys and I know these forums are better than that.

::Snort::  New here, huh?  

Yeah, I stroll over to the forums every time I get my arse kicked on nightmare and see what people think of the game.  Some people like to protect this game more than their next of kin .

(I know this is a good thing for bioware but I find it quite creepy).