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[MKDAWUSS]

If it DA3 was officially announced now, what would they have to show for it? Walls of text and a few photos of concept art?

[Sezra]

I'm not worried about evidence. Besides mass effect 3's tragic ending bioware has never really been a company that screwed its fans over. they'll release it when its ready and i dont think it's something to worry about.

[Brockololly]

eveynameiwantisfekintaken wrote...
I think these people might be your culprits for that rumour Mr Gaider

http://www.develop-o...loaned-to-SWTOR

It was also back in EA's last quarterly fiscal report in May that Riccitiello mentioned  one major packaged good product being pushed from Fiscal 13. That's what Pachter was getting at in his note, that he suspected that major packaged goods title being pushed back was Dragon Age 3, getting pushed back into EA's Fiscal 2014 (April 2013- March 31, 2014).

Which, considering how EA seems very tight on delivering big titles on 2 year cycles (Medal of Honor/Battlefield, Need for Speed, Mass Effect/Dragon Age) makes DA slipping to later next year make sense.

The way Riccitiello said it in the conference call, it almost makes it sound like whatever title being delayed is being delayed to go on next gen consoles, which are likely coming later 2013:

Versus my original expectations we are pushing out one major packaged goods title. This is a function of our R&D investment priorities.

I don't know if Pachter is right about TOR being the cause of DA3 being delayed, but I'd bet he's right about DA3 being pushed back into Fiscal 2014.

MKDAWUSS wrote...
If it DA3 was officially announced now,  what would they have to show for it? Walls of text and a few photos of  concept art?

The same thing thats always released: overblown CG trailers that totally misrepresent what the actual game will be like.

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 juin 2012 - 01:29 .

[Kidd]

Brockololly wrote...

The way Riccitiello said it in the conference call, it almost makes it sound like whatever title being delayed is being delayed to go on next gen consoles, which are likely coming later 2013:

If your speculation is right, I must say it would be pretty badass to have DA3 as a launch title for the ps4&720. Probably very much in their interest to make a lot of money, and talk about having a shiny game to enjoy our new machines with ^^

Not that I'd be sad if DA3 was still for the current generation. I'm not particularly looking forward to shelling out the money for new machines just yet any way xD

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 14 juin 2012 - 10:11 .

[The Elder King]

Brockololly wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...
If it DA3 was officially announced now,  what would they have to show for it? Walls of text and a few photos of  concept art?

The same thing thats always released: overblown CG trailers that totally misrepresent what the actual game will be like.

I hope at least that this time they'll not release some screenshots that aren't from the alpha or pre-beta stage. I mean, DA2's graphics isn't that good, but the first screenshots were horrible.
I think it'd be better to just announce the game with some concept art, like CDPR did with Cyberpunk. While showing a good CG trailer may be good to create hype, I think it'll create the opposite effect if the game's graphics is bad.

[Das Tentakel]

Brockololly wrote...

I don't know if Pachter is right about TOR being the cause of DA3 being delayed, but I'd bet he's right about DA3 being pushed back into Fiscal 2014.

Now, at least we know that DA2 devs (writers, at least) worked on significant parts of SWTOR. That wasn't entirely clear to me until now. Of course, that doesn't mean it came at the expense of other (past and future) projects, assuming it was all planned beforehand and executed flawlessly of course.:innocent:



Seriously, I doubt we’ll ever hear the how and why’s (even Brent Knowles is at times pretty vague regarding DA:O’s long dev cycle on his blog) regarding SWTOR and DA and any ‘linkages’ between them. Leaves the door wide open to speculation, of course.

Brockololly wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...
If it DA3 was officially announced now,  what would they have to show for it? Walls of text and a few photos of  concept art?

The same thing thats always released: overblown CG trailers that totally misrepresent what the actual game will be like.

That was pretty bad with both DA:O and DA2 (though one or two were nifty little movies by themselves, I think). It doesn’t have to be, of course. I thought the Skyrim and Witcher trailers fairly true to the setting and what the player actually does in the game.

I think it’s possible that DA3 (which officially does not exist yet, after all) is, or wasn’t, even ready enough for a simple announcement. And the old cynic in me doubts there are that many people waiting for it, actually (outside a core of fans, which would include most people on the DA forums). The only way to create positive buzz would be to show actual gameplay and in-game visuals that are also impressive. Again, except for the core fans, I doubt the wider gaming audience gets hot or cold based on some concept art, and CG trailers are much less effective when the IP in question has no ‘momentum’. And right now, I don’t think the DA IP has that; the tie-in books and animation movie come across, to me at least, as some kind of between-game life support. To get 'Schwung in der Sache' they need something that truly convinces people, including the doubters and disappointed fans, that DA3 is going to give other succesful modern RPG's (in essence, Skyrim and The Witcher II, conceivably Xenoblade Saga) a run for their money.

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 14 juin 2012 - 12:21 .

[Brockololly]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...
If your speculation is right, I must say it would be pretty badass to have DA3 as a launch title for the ps4&720. Probably very much in their interest to make a lot of money, and talk about having a shiny game to enjoy our new machines with ^^

Not that I'd be sad if DA3 was still for the current generation. I'm not particularly looking forward to shelling out the money for new machines just yet any way xD

Would certainly be interesting if its a next gen launch title. Presumably that would mean they're not using their existing engine or at least making major upgrades to it.

The risk with a launch title would be that your sales would be dependent on the sales of the new console. What if only MS launches the new Xbox next fall? What if its priced at some insane price causing a low adoption rate? Considering this generation has dragged on for so long and the install base for 360 and PS3 is so large, I'm wondering if whatever launch titles for nextgen don't come out on current generation consoles as well, just for the sake of sales.

Das Tentakel wrote...
That was pretty bad with both DA:O and  DA2 (though one or two were nifty little movies by themselves, I think). It doesn’t have to be, of course. I thought the Skyrim and Witcher  trailers fairly true to the setting and what the player actually does in the game.

I think how Skyrim handled their reveal was excellent- short teaser trailer that gets people hyped, followed by the Game Informer article with some nice screenshots and info the next month and the following month go all out with that awesome gameplay trailer.

Especially if it ends up being a nextgen title, having to resort to a CG movie style cutscene as opposed to in engine footage/gameplay would be a bit concerning.

Das Tentakel wrote...
Again,  except for the core fans, I doubt the wider gaming audience gets hot or  cold based on some concept art, and CG trailers are much less effective  when the IP in question has no ‘momentum’. And right now, I don’t think  the DA IP has that; the tie-in books and animation movie come across, to me at least, as some kind of between-game life support. To get 'Schwung in der Sache' they need something that truly convinces people,  including the doubters and disappointed fans, that DA3 is going to give  other succesful modern RPG's (in essence, Skyrim and The Witcher II,  conceivably Xenoblade Saga) a run for their money.

Agreed- especially on the no momentum bit.  I think the easiest way to get people to take note of your game is to have it look visually amazing and have some amazing audio too. CG trailers are cool and all but your "hardcore" fans can pretty much see through them at this point. And people are especially skeptical of them with BioWare since the CG trailers with TOR or Dragon Age and even ME to some extent really don't accurately portray the look or feel of the games.

Thats why the launch trailers for the Witcher 2 were great- awesome visuals and great audio. Skyrim' s gameplay trailer was great too- great in game visuals and great audio from the soundtrack.

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 juin 2012 - 02:56 .

[AkiKishi]

Das Tentakel wrote...
That was pretty bad with both DA:O and DA2 (though one or two were nifty little movies by themselves, I think). It doesn’t have to be, of course. I thought the Skyrim and Witcher trailers fairly true to the setting and what the player actually does in the game.

I think it’s possible that DA3 (which officially does not exist yet, after all) is, or wasn’t, even ready enough for a simple announcement. And the old cynic in me doubts there are that many people waiting for it, actually (outside a core of fans, which would include most people on the DA forums). The only way to create positive buzz would be to show actual gameplay and in-game visuals that are also impressive. Again, except for the core fans, I doubt the wider gaming audience gets hot or cold based on some concept art, and CG trailers are much less effective when the IP in question has no ‘momentum’. And right now, I don’t think the DA IP has that; the tie-in books and animation movie come across, to me at least, as some kind of between-game life support. To get 'Schwung in der Sache' they need something that truly convinces people, including the doubters and disappointed fans, that DA3 is going to give other succesful modern RPG's (in essence, Skyrim and The Witcher II, conceivably Xenoblade Saga) a run for their money.

Only very naive people buy a game based on a CG movie.

I fully expect the cycle to continue.

"That sucks"! 
"It will be fixed".
"It's still not fixed".
"It will be fixed in the demo" 
<Demo arrives and sucks in various ways>
"The demo sucks" 
"It will be fixed for release".
<release comes>
"It was not fixed" !!!

[Mclouvins]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

The way Riccitiello said it in the conference call, it almost makes it sound like whatever title being delayed is being delayed to go on next gen consoles, which are likely coming later 2013:

If your speculation is right, I must say it would be pretty badass to have DA3 as a launch title for the ps4&720. Probably very much in their interest to make a lot of money, and talk about having a shiny game to enjoy our new machines with ^^

Not that I'd be sad if DA3 was still for the current generation. I'm not particularly looking forward to shelling out the money for new machines just yet any way xD

It's not necessarily an either/or kind of thing.With the last transition plenty of third party developers made games that had versions for both generations for major titles. The initial wave of games for a new system, even by first party developers is has not really been that far ahead of the previous generation.

[Spedfrom]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I'm only recently starting to follow securities trades and so forth myself, so I don't blame people for reading an analyst's supposition and thinking he may have some additional insight.

In my recent experiences though, I have come to the realization that many stock analysts are just making a guess that is supported by their own internal logic. The concern I have is that I think they can be a bit irresponsible at times, because people do factor in their comments when making investment decisions.  Though this gentleman's claims aren't too significant I suppose, but investors that see TOR as a beacon of light or as a sinking ship will probably make investement decisions based on his supposition.

I know in response to ME3, some people were hoping that driving the stock price down would put EA in a financial crunch, but in reality that isn't the case. The only people affected by a downward push in stocks are those that happen to own EA stock (the vast majority of which don't run the day to day affairs as it's a part of mutual fund investments and so forth. I think Larry Probst III is the largest single shareholder and he owns like 0.25% of the stock). Over 90% of EA's stock is mutual fund type of investments.


Though I'm off on a tangent now. I guess what I mean to say is that most stock analysts are just making their suppositions based upon whatever internal logic they have going on. That a move holds up to logic, however, doesn't mean it's actually true. It's just him making a guess.

Well, I am sorry then, if it's not what happened. It did seem to be gospel truth when I read it and since Dragon Age: The Next Best Thing is taking its sweet time (which is a good thing, mind you, as we all want variety in scenarios, a satisfying battle system, and so on), it was even easier to believe that rumour.

I know I'm probably not getting an answer, but that won't stop me from trying: why are you guys only now leaving pre-production and going into production? Was it because of the shift from Exalted March expansion pack to full blown DA:TNBT? Was it because you want to improve upon DA2 and take into account players' criticisms/suggestions? 

[Spedfrom]

David Gaider wrote...

eveynameiwantisfekintaken wrote...
I think these people might be your culprits for that rumour Mr Gaider

http://www.develop-o...loaned-to-SWTOR

Oh, I see. I guess a hearsay rumor is better than a completely baseless one. Fair enough.

I love your writing and have played a few of your games with great amounts of interest as I see them fit for what I want from a deep, meaningful videogame experience. So please, let's not assume I am a rabid idiot trying to spread baseless rumours and cause riots on the forums.

Apologies have been made and at the time I actually did think it was what had happened and not a rumour.

[David Gaider]

Spedfrom wrote...
I love your writing and have played a few of your games with great amounts of interest as I see them fit for what I want from a deep, meaningful videogame experience. So please, let's not assume I am a rabid idiot trying to spread baseless rumours and cause riots on the forums.

I didn't assume. I asked. I'd never heard of this before, which is why having someone state it as a fact was surprising.

I can be plenty snarky when I choose, but I'm not employing it here.

[wsandista]

Apparently someone thought DA3 was announced at E3.

http://www.ibtimes.c...ected-games.htm

Journalism at it's finest.

[Das Tentakel]

Brockololly wrote...

The risk with a launch title would be that your sales would be dependent on the sales of the new console. What if only MS launches the new Xbox next fall? What if its priced at some insane price causing a low adoption rate? Considering this generation has dragged on for so long and the install base for 360 and PS3 is so large, I'm wondering if whatever launch titles for nextgen don't come out on current generation consoles as well, just for the sake of sales.

Good point. I would have to dig for it to find the exact numbers, but I seem to remember that Mass Effect 1, which initially appeared for the Xbox and the PC, did not sell all that well.
The fact that the Xbox 360 user base was much smaller at that time might have (partly) caused this. This also applies, of course, to the number of gaming-capable PC’s and the fact that digital retail, including Steam, were much smaller at the time. Mass Effect was a 360 (and PC) exclusive, though, so I assume Microsoft effectively subsidized that title. If neither Microsoft nor Sony are willing to pay a premium price for exclusives or timed exclusives for the new consoles…Hmmm…

(By the way, the relative size of the installed user base, the potential customers so to speak (PS3, Xbox 360, gaming-capable PC’s) must have grown considerably between the time DA:O and DA2 came out respectively. Does give a slightly different perspective on the (relative) success and failure of the three Mass Effect and two Dragon Age games.
ME2 and ME3 sold more than ME1, but part of it may have been caused by the expansion of HD console / gaming capable PC user base. Of course, if DA2 sold about half of DA:O while there were actually more potential customers around…]

Cross-platform releases did occur in the twilight years of the last generation (2005-6), but I would hazard a guess that this won’t be cheap (in terms of development costs) and maybe not even financially feasible. That is, unless major sales on the old platform are more or less guaranteed and the next-gen version or versions are partly paid for by Sony and/or Microsoft?

At the same time, let’s be honest: Who would buy the last platform’s version of a much-desired game if you’re already planning on buying a next-gen console, on which you can play a superior version? There are actually quite a number of cross-generation games I did not buy for my last-gen consoles precisely because I planned to buy a 360 and a PS3.

Brockololly wrote...
…people are especially skeptical of them with BioWare since the CG trailers with TOR or Dragon Age and even ME to some extent really don't accurately portray the look or feel of the games.

Thats why the launch trailers for the Witcher 2 were great- awesome visuals and great audio. Skyrim' s gameplay trailer was great too- great in game visuals and great audio from the soundtrack.

BioWare (or EA marketing?) isn’t the worst offender though. Anyone remember the recent hullabaloo about the trailer for the new Hitman game? The one with the high-heeled assassin dominatrix nuns?
( www.youtube.com/watch )

Luckily (or sadly, depending on your point of view), the actual game itself seems to be well-made and true to the franchise, with our character using stealth and cunning to complete his assassination missions.

Thing is, these kind of ‘shocker’ strategies do create publicity. Negative publicity perhaps, but hey, it’s publicity. It may help the game to reach out to non-Hitman (or non-BioWare / RPG) fans. Of course, chances are those people will find out it’s not their kind of game and quickly trade it in, but at least they bought it (KA-CHING!). Might not work the next time…but hey, perhaps if they throw in some lesbian dinosaur ninja assassins in the next Hitman game’s trailer…

So remember, when the first DA3 trailer features lightsaber/chainsaw wielding Qunari-T-rex teenage hybrid lesbian dominatrix assassin ninja nuns, don’t worry: The actual game is probably quite different.
At least I hope so…

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 15 juin 2012 - 07:51 .

[Cirram55]

wsandista wrote...

Apparently someone thought DA3 was announced at E3.

http://www.ibtimes.c...ected-games.htm

Journalism at it's finest.

That DAIII "trailer" from Youtube is undoubtedly taken from TW2 but noone in the comments seems to recognize the graphics or the setting as well as Iorveth.

Whoa.

P. S. I'd be, however, very pleased to see DAIII running the RED engine. But whatever.

Modifié par Cirram55, 15 juin 2012 - 12:10 .