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[Necrotron]

Quething wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

And there it is. I learned something today.

Anyway, it still isn't cheap. Hudson stated that the three month development for LotSB cost millions of dollars.

I'd imagine four or five months would also be pretty expensive.

Oh, yeah, they're definitely taking a serious hit on this. The VA talent alone is already prohibitive and that's one of the smaller expenses in the long run, unless you're running around hiring people like Martin Sheen and Patrick Stewart.

The balancing act BioWare has to perform here, though, is "how much money do we lose on future games if the EC doesn't bring back customers who wrote us off after ME3's ending?" That's the number that decides whether the EC is money well spent. If the EC costs as much to make as Mass Effect 3 itself, but it gets 50% of their customer base to buy three more games with full DLC instead of no more games, it's still a worthwhile investment.

But all evidences point to the fact that they are making this EC for the slightly put off by 'the lack of clarity and closure' folks.  Given that they do not want to change anything, a large majority of the large majority who hated the ending will likely continue to do so, and given that extending and clarifying will likely sway some who liked the original ending to disliking it (because the only reason they liked it was because they believed in indoctrination theory), it begs the question, will they really fix the loss of customer loyalty overall?

Maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe the segment of customers who just felt the ending was lacking clarity is bigger than I imagine.

Modifié par Bathaius, 13 juin 2012 - 02:47 .

[felipejiraya]

And here I was thinking Kimberly Brooks said something earth shattering about EC.

But no, just typical BSN.

[Ihatebadgames]

The money is not.Spend it here can't spend it there.Money and man hours only goes so far.Pay Peter can't pay Paul.Every team doesn't sound like separate studios.An based on whats been talk about they still are not listening,are they?They need a Hail Mary play and I don't think they have it in them anymore.

[Taboo]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

The money is not.Spend it here can't spend it there.Money and man hours only goes so far.Pay Peter can't pay Paul.Every team doesn't sound like separate studios.An based on whats been talk about they still are not listening,are they?They need a Hail Mary play and I don't think they have it in them anymore.

Yes they do.

EA will spend five million to to save a future tweny million.

That's why they're doing it.

[Reptilian Rob]

INB4 the EC is crap.

[Reptilian Rob]

Taboo-XX wrote...

HALE ISN'T THE ONLY ONE.

WHERE IS MISS STRAHOVSKI BIOWARE?

She would be too much to contract for the EC. Most likely she will made an appearance in a silent cutscene like in a 1920s film. 

[Sublyminal]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ihatebadgames wrote...

The money is not.Spend it here can't spend it there.Money and man hours only goes so far.Pay Peter can't pay Paul.Every team doesn't sound like separate studios.An based on whats been talk about they still are not listening,are they?They need a Hail Mary play and I don't think they have it in them anymore.

Yes they do.

EA will spend five million to to save a future tweny million.

That's why they're doing it.

Problem is that spending that 5 million, if they don't please the fanbase, isn't going to result in anything more than losses in the future. And trust me, the EC is not going to please a majority of the fanbase.

[shepdog77]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

INB4 the EC is crap.

lol your a little late on that one

[Reth Shepherd]

Well, I guess that's that. Time to start working on the goodbye letter. Really doubt that if they didn't figure out what they did wrong by now, one more rant isn't going to clue them in, but whatever. It's real-life closure. Goodbye Mass Effect. Goodbye Bioware. (Goodnight cow jumping over the moon. Goodnight light, and the red balloon...)

Though I do feel a little sorry for the mod who gets to perma-ban my account in a couple of months... It's a real pity they're probably under strict orders not to pass anything up the line to the people who SHOULD be seeing it.

[MegaSovereign]

She seems to be out of touch with Mass Effect.

[Blacklash93]

Reptilian Rob wrote...
She would be too much to contract for the EC. Most likely she will made an appearance in a silent cutscene like in a 1920s film. 

Such is the curse of contracting high-profile actors for RPG VA. Videogames are very rarely able to do complete justice to the characters they voice in the overall scheme simply due to the big expenses for hiring these busy actors require. They either die early in the story, are used sparingly in it (though this can be pulled off well), or cannot be contracted again for things like EC.

Miranda was an exception to the former two because while Yvonne is of considerable profile, she isn't anywhere near the caliber of the likes of Martin Sheen and Kate Mulgrew.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 13 juin 2012 - 04:16 .

[Taboo]

You have no numbers on the fanbase. None. You have no how it's going to work out. Stop presenting fallacious viewpoints.

I just care if Miranda is there. She doesn't need to speak.

[MegaSovereign]

We've known for months that the EC isn't going to be a different ending.

BSN needs to grow the hell up.

[adneate]

Sublyminal wrote...
Problem is that spending that 5 million, if they don't please the fanbase, isn't going to result in anything more than losses in the future. And trust me, the EC is not going to please a majority of the fanbase.

Which at this point works for me regardless, I mean they either take the millions of dollars in EA's money and make an ending that doesn't make me want to kick puppies and drown kittens or they don't and BioWare's neck is that much closer to the chopping block that Westwood and Origin Systems were killed on. Finally putting the wretched studio out of business and letting it's genuine talent go to places they'll be appreciated and it's hacks be forgetten and scorned by all.

Someone with a brain stem could "fix" the ending problem, just make all the "Good" endings happy go lucky in terms of consequence and give everyone what they think they want. Feeling good is better then being rational, see ME2 which had a rock stupid plot, quasi science BS and a reveal every bit as horrible with the human derp reaper. But you got to blow up a base and tell TIM to eat it, or live out some kind of human dominance fantasy with a bunch of terrorists. Nobody stopped and thought about all the stuff that didn't make any sense, in fact some will even say it's the best game in the series.

If BioWare blows 5 million bucks to accomplish sweet frak all I don't give a damn, ain't like I wrote the cheque. They can go tell it to Papa EA that they took his wallet and flushed the contents down the toilet, he's always been real understanding about that sort of stuff.

[Unschuld]

As soon as I read that article, I knew the rest of this thread was going to turn into a ****storm. Oh, hey, Taboo is making sense and providing rational thought while the rest of the thread is rolling around on the floor in a tantrum. Imagine that.

Seriously guys... Non...Disclosure....Agreement... none of these interviews are "off the record". If some random mook from BSN can find and post something that Joe McVoiceactor said in an interview, Bioware/EA's team of lawyers would just as easily be able to find them and blast them with legal action. None of this is candid, and the fact that what she said almost mirrors Bioware's original statement exactly should tip you off. If they did let something slip, you'd know about it.

Modifié par Unschuld, 13 juin 2012 - 04:26 .

[Taboo]

Nothing she says is any different from what was said back in April.

Why are people just now realizing this? It said no new endings.

Clarification. Closure. Answers. Cinematics. Cutscenes. Epilogue.

She also isn't aware of the context of the situation. That's important.

[Unschuld]

Taboo-XX wrote...


She also isn't aware of the context of the situation. That's important.

With how they read lines in the booth, I'm not at all surprised that they don't have any clue what the hell is going on in the big picture. All of those times where I thought a character's tone of voice was "off" in their response to another character, it makes more sense now.

[Reptilian Rob]

Unschuld wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...


She also isn't aware of the context of the situation. That's important.

With how they read lines in the booth, I'm not at all surprised that they don't have any clue what the hell is going on in the big picture. All of those times where I thought a character's tone of voice was "off" in their response to another character, it makes more sense now.

Sounds like legit Bioware/EA.

"Here read these lines."

"Ok, in what context?"

"SHUT UP AND READ!"

[Taboo]

Unschuld wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...


She also isn't aware of the context of the situation. That's important.

With how they read lines in the booth, I'm not at all surprised that they don't have any clue what the hell is going on in the big picture. All of those times where I thought a character's tone of voice was "off" in their response to another character, it makes more sense now.

Imagine that. She has no idea what she's reading. That's very important you see, as she sees it as simple, when it is very, very important. It's for the EC.

Shocking, but it's hard to stress a point on the internet...

[Quething]

adneate wrote...

Nobody stopped and thought about all the stuff that didn't make any sense

You took a no-internet hiatus of some kind after ME2 came out, I take it?

Modifié par Quething, 13 juin 2012 - 04:37 .

[Blacklash93]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You have no numbers on the fanbase. None. You have no how it's going to work out. Stop presenting fallacious viewpoints.

Yvonne actually has done VA for that 3rd Birthday game that came out a while ago, as the main character I think. She's also done a sketch with CollegeHumor. Her negotiated paychecks clearly aren't as straining on budgets as older, more iconic actors. I'd never consider a well-known actor doing things like this for fun considering the travel and stressful work involved (like Kim said it's very labor-intensive and pays less than TV acting). And I especially do not expect her to waste her time traveling to a Bioware studio to record what won't be more than 30 lines.

I'm not saying it's impossible. Just that's it's very unlikely all things considered. Getting all these lesser-known actors back for what won't be much work is a chore in itself.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 13 juin 2012 - 04:42 .

[adneate]

Taboo-XX wrote...
Nothing she says is any different from what was said back in April.

Why are people just now realizing this? It said no new endings.

IT holdouts and people who think "I won't change" really means "I will change, for you!".Either they do the obvious rational thing and they add happy to the ending and hope most people will meet them halfway accepting happy in exchange for ignoring stupid. Or for some insane reason EA signs a cheque for what is a giant FU to it's customers and I get to pick apart what could possibly posses them to do that.

Either way, more fun for me!

Quething wrote...
You took a no-internet hiatus of some kind after ME2 came out, I take it?

I was overseas when the game came out, that being said it must have taken Smudboy and company at least a couple weeks before they really got rolling on how thin ME2's plot is.

Modifié par adneate, 13 juin 2012 - 04:44 .

[xsdob]

What about the fact that she isn't finished her recording sessions yet, has more planned for the future, and may be doing more content than she knows of. Cause it sounds like she's just getting this session by session and doesn't have the full content to see.

Oh wait, this is the BSN, what I meant to say is gloom, doom, things go boom, everybody dies.

[Taboo]

I wasn't talking about Miss Strahovski. At all. She's filming the seventh season of Dexter right now, much to my revulsion and disgust.

She would be expensive, but not as expensive as Martin Sheen. I haven't looked at her resume and don't care to either, but only because the issue is with the character, not the person behind it. I don't need Miranda to talk, I just want her to be there.

Any connection I have to Miss Strahovski is through a character in a video game. I don't want anything further. **** gets weird when people start doing that.

The EC is a compromise. When people get the oft rumored LI reunion, they'll calm down, as they always do. Almost ten years in film has taught me that people are suckers for happy, and will forgive faults if they are pleased.