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[The Angry One]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

I think they sold enough copies of ME3 to cover the costs of the EC to knock it out of the park, thing is have they the passion to do so after being forced to make the EC. Wouldnt be surprised tho if all we get is scenes similar to the marines cheering when the reapers leave/destroyed. Kinda like asari/turians cheering etc.

Or in synthesis, more standing around, bemused.
Maybe there'll be an extra scene where they all turn and march single file while saying "We are perfection." in unison.

[Astralify]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

HALE ISN'T THE ONLY ONE.

WHERE IS MISS STRAHOVSKI BIOWARE?

She would be too much to contract for the EC. Most likely she will made an appearance in a silent cutscene like in a 1920s film. 

That breakes my heart...

[NedPepper]

How did so many people fall under the delusion we were getting new endings? There's a post, in this forum, telling you what will be in it. And respecting artistic intergrity. Which I used to agree with.

I don't anymore. Because anyone with any artistic integrity would TALK AND DEFEND their choices. Most writers do. Mac and Casey have said...NOTHING. Not a word. Either they aren't allowed to, or their feelings are hurt. Doesn't matter. If you're going to stand by "artistic integrity" defend it proudly. Remaining silent does them no favors at all. Defend yourselves. Explain your intentions. All the silence does it create a complete disconnect from the creaters and the consumers. Bioware has handled this is the most bizarre fashion imaginable. But I don't want to hear about artistic integrity anymore until they show that integrity.

If not, it's just a word that is PR slang for...nothing at all.

As far as the endings go, I hope the EC clarifies some things. But based on this thread...I'm not even sure why they wasted their time. There's going to be another backlash. Deserved or not. I'll think I'll skip this next one. It's likely to be even more unhinged than when the game was released....

[sparkyo42]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Not everyone sees the ending as a turd. Some of us see it as a pot with grease on it. A well applied EC sponge will solve some issues and make the pot shine again.

Taboo-xx

A couple of points. first you comment about there not being ,millions that don't like this, you are right since I have no idea of the sales but consider the fact that Bioware have feedback from Origin and X box LIve and I'm sure from PS3 as well. So while we don't know the figures they do. The EC is safe to assume a non admission admission that the majority of the fanbase don't like it.

You keep bring up your film knowledge but this isn't like film where you rely on a sample audience and extroploate from there. They have the SP usage down to the person and second. They know how many replays each of us have done and when was the last time we played. They didn't look at the Retakers and the HTL and base the decision off them.

Since they've released the figures of usage for MP but not SP, that tells me to put it in film example it's like  Battleship talking up the Special effects and military stuff while avooiding the fact that the plot was "thin". The ME team know the figures of SP are "thin" and won't put those figures into general knowledge because of that.

You've commented that the EC will put some "greese"on the ending. That's not it's purpose and you know it. It's purpose is to try and increase the SP usage to justify the SP DLC planed. The are doing just enough as cheaply as the can to try and achieve this. Whatever DLC was planned will happen just to gauge interest levels but baring a miracle its DA 2 and a couple of years later Gamble will give an overhead talk on the rest in Comic-Con. I'm sure you and others will at that point blame everyone that didn't come on here an say "Bioware please here's a blank check we'll spend anything you want us to (because its art)"

They are a business and this has been from the start a PR exercise to try and boost the chances of sales of the DLC, never about the issues players had about the ending.

[FellishBeast]

Baa Baa wrote...

"Maybe it was too much of a realistic ending? It’s like the Sopranos, Six Feet Under… you know the main character is going to die.”

Yes... because jumping into a big beam to merge people with machines is realistic...
Yeah... holding onto two panels and dying but simultaneously controlling huge robots is realistic....
Shooting a pipe to destroy a hybrid synthetic organic race is indeed realistic....

This is why I try to avoid hearing actors speak their minds at all costs - it just ruins everything.

[ssltrain]

As for Miranda being in the EC, maybe they'll just cut and paste together lines of her old dialogue into new conversation options, like South Park did when they killed off Chef.

Modifié par ssltrain, 13 juin 2012 - 05:05 .

[knightnblu]

“Well, I was surprised. Maybe because the response was so overwhelming. Artistically you’ve just got to go with whatever your vision is, no matter what the response is.” Kimberly Brooks
 
First, she acknowledges that the fan reaction was substantial and not a "vocal minority." Second she supports the "artistic integrity" meme and that is fine as long as people buy it. But if they don't buy it she is out of work and has to flip burgers at Mickey D's. And people wonder why "artists" are out of touch.

[SimonTheFrog]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Pfft you honestly believe future sales will be significantly impacted by EC? Ha, ha and also ha. For every old time fan that swears off Bioware (and the number of those will be far less than these boards will have you believe) three more CODtards will take their place. The announcement was only meant to silence the opposition and silence it it did. All Bioware has to do now is make a token effort only. Maybe it was inevitable. I don't know. What I do know is Bioware isn't putting in half the effort you think it is and they're required to put in even less.

We don't know for sure.
But i think the backlash had a bad psychological effect for many fans. BioWare lost it's image as a developer with a finger on the pulse of it's loyal fans. 

They are now considered by many former fans to be just one of those mediocre action game developers with no garantuee for quality.

On the other hand, people often cry out "boycott" and then buy each and every thing the company offers. That is also true.

[SirCroft]

Yvonne probably signed a contract agreeing that she would work with them again on DLC if needed, I'd say BioWare would do that with most voice actors as a safety measure.

[The Angry One]

knightnblu wrote...

“Well, I was surprised. Maybe because the response was so overwhelming. Artistically you’ve just got to go with whatever your vision is, no matter what the response is.” Kimberly Brooks
 
First, she acknowledges that the fan reaction was substantial and not a "vocal minority." Second she supports the "artistic integrity" meme and that is fine as long as people buy it. But if they don't buy it she is out of work and has to flip burgers at Mickey D's. And people wonder why "artists" are out of touch.

Yeah you can stick with your artistic vision, just don't expect me to give you any of my money for it.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah I just...yeah...

*sighs*

If you haven't played the games the best answer to question regarding the games is simply "I haven't played them I don't know."

There you go.

Nice and simple.

Also doesn't make you look like a tool.

[xsdob]

xsdob wrote...

What about the fact that she isn't finished her recording sessions yet, has more planned for the future, and may be doing more content than she knows of. Cause it sounds like she's just getting this session by session and doesn't have the full content to see.

Oh wait, this is the BSN, what I meant to say is gloom, doom, things go boom, everybody dies.

I am dissapointed bsn, not 1 person caught the reference at all? Or if you did and just didn't feel like even responding than fine by me.

Either way, it's a rather underwhealming sight to see.

Modifié par xsdob, 13 juin 2012 - 05:24 .

[ssltrain]

xsdob wrote...

xsdob wrote...

What about the fact that she isn't finished her recording sessions yet, has more planned for the future, and may be doing more content than she knows of. Cause it sounds like she's just getting this session by session and doesn't have the full content to see.

Oh wait, this is the BSN, what I meant to say is gloom, doom, things go boom, everybody dies.

I am dissapointed bsn, not 1 person caught the reference at all? Or if you did and just didn't feel like even responding than fine by me.

Either way, it's a rather underwhealming sight to see.

You mean the Dexter's Lab reference? I caught it, just wasn't ever a big fan.

[clarkusdarkus]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So, does this mean you guys will leave? You know, seeing as the ending will stay the same and you will eternally hate BioWare?

Not that I want you to, I'm just wondering. What's keepin you around?

EC is keeping me around, that alone determines my money going to bioware again.

[xsdob]

ssltrain wrote...

xsdob wrote...

xsdob wrote...

What about the fact that she isn't finished her recording sessions yet, has more planned for the future, and may be doing more content than she knows of. Cause it sounds like she's just getting this session by session and doesn't have the full content to see.

Oh wait, this is the BSN, what I meant to say is gloom, doom, things go boom, everybody dies.

I am dissapointed bsn, not 1 person caught the reference at all? Or if you did and just didn't feel like even responding than fine by me.

Either way, it's a rather underwhealming sight to see.

You mean the Dexter's Lab reference? I caught it, just wasn't ever a big fan.

I liked that show a lot, that and powerpuff girls. At least shows have improved since than, only recently after a 3 year long slump in quality.

[Kunari801]

OK, before we get all doom-and-gloom.  

- One, she admits that they don't tell "the lowly actors" really anything.  
- Second, I doubt Ashley would have too big a part in the EC (sadly that means either will Kaidan)  

Thus we can conclude she doesn't know too many details about the EC over what she was told and could deduce from her work before that interview.  

Let's see what she said: At least two four-hour sessions.  I have no idea how much usable recordings they average per-hour but let's say its 15min worth of usable material per hour (sounds very inefficent to me).  That's still 2-hours total of usable recording for the EC and how much of that usually translates into game content I don't know.   But that seems plenty for a LI Reunion or a Shepard funeral scene.

Now, take what we've been told, and all the interviews, etc one can see that the EC isn't going to be a total rewrite. Thus:  Star-brat isn't going away, the RBG isn't going away.   For me at least, that doesn't mean the EC can't improve on the ending.  

It won't be what I wanted but I'll give it a chance. 

Modifié par Kunari801, 13 juin 2012 - 05:43 .

[Alex Arterius]

Really simple sessions? :/

She kinda makes it seem as if Bioware aint putting much effort into it...

[SimonTheFrog]

Alex Arterius wrote...

Really simple sessions? :/

She kinda makes it seem as if Bioware aint putting much effort into it...

I'm pretty sure that is totally not what she meant.

[Alex Arterius]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Alex Arterius wrote...

Really simple sessions? :/

She kinda makes it seem as if Bioware aint putting much effort into it...

I'm pretty sure that is totally not what she meant.

What did you think she meant?

[Alex Arterius]

Also does this debunk IT theory? the way she says they're not changing the ending...

[SimonTheFrog]

Simple as in clear direction for her voice acting, most likely.

[Kunari801]

Alex Arterius wrote...

Also does this debunk IT theory? the way she says they're not changing the ending...

take what we've been told, and all the interviews, etc one can see that the EC isn't going to be a total rewrite. Thus:  Star-brat isn't going away, the RBG isn't going away.   For me at least, that doesn't mean the EC can't improve on the ending.   

No I doubt they'll use the IT. 

[Unschuld]

Alex Arterius wrote...

Also does this debunk IT theory? the way she says they're not changing the ending...

No, because that's the same exact statement that Bioware initially gave regarding the EC, and yet IT still has supporters. 

[LazyTechGuy]

Kunari801 wrote...

Let's see what she said: At least two four-hour sessions.  I have no idea how much usable recordings they average per-hour but let's say its 15min worth of usable material per hour (sounds very inefficent to me).  That's still 2-hours total of usable recording for the EC and how much of that usually translates into game content I don't know.   But that seems plenty for a LI Reunion or a Shepard funeral scene.

Two hours of extra dialogue still sounds like a pretty big chunk.  I don't know what the average is either, but that just seems like a ton of audio.  We know Meers has had multiple sessions too.  I mean, I know that it's not a "total" of two hours if we assume that the EC will allow you to make choices that dictate which audio you might hear, but I think you're right.  It's a lot of audio.  She recorded eight hours of it.  This is just one character.  Maybe this is normal, but it just makes the EC feel like something expansive, interactive and playable with different explanations depending on choices made - or to be made - in this DLC.