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[brusher225]

Wow! Kimberly seems like a very sweet person.

As far as the EC goes, I'm afraid this quote, unfortunatley, pretty much says it all.

"Artistically you’ve just got to go with whatever your vision is, no matter what the response is.”

[Iakus]

brusher225 wrote...

Wow! Kimberly seems like a very sweet person.

As far as the EC goes, I'm afraid this quote, unfortunatley, pretty much says it all.

"Artistically you’ve just got to go with whatever your vision is, no matter what the response is.”

Sadly, the flip side to that line then becomes 

"Artists who can't sell their work become starving artists"

[BigglesFlysAgain]

brusher225 wrote...

Wow! Kimberly seems like a very sweet person.

As far as the EC goes, I'm afraid this quote, unfortunatley, pretty much says it all.

"Artistically you’ve just got to go with whatever your vision is, no matter what the response is.”

Lol, we will have to go with the hypocritical response of calling the actors "clueless tallent" when they say somthing that bodes badley for the EC... and Coolest guy/girl ever if they say somthing even vaugely positive 

[Sublyminal]

I'm glad I prepared myself for the worst. Still pisses me off having my intelligence insulted, because they think we need clarity on how much sense the ending didn't make.

[TMA LIVE]

iakus wrote...

brusher225 wrote...

Wow! Kimberly seems like a very sweet person.

As far as the EC goes, I'm afraid this quote, unfortunatley, pretty much says it all.

"Artistically you’ve just got to go with whatever your vision is, no matter what the response is.”

Sadly, the flip side to that line then becomes 

"Artists who can't sell their work become starving artists"

Well they did get your money.

I don't get why people seem to think being an artist means not make works for profit, or not make money off your work. Artists make money off their paintings all the time. Including ones made to please themselves more then an audience or client. Or pleasing themselves, and the audience, and the client at the same time.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 12 juin 2012 - 09:33 .

[jeff359]

This is worrying:

"Q: What did you think about the ending?"
"A: Maybe it was too much of a realistic ending? It’s like the Sopranos, Six Feet Under… you know the main character is going to die.”

Since she is reading from the FAQ or have had the answers PR filtered before this was posted. I'm mostly concerned that they think the major problem is we don't want our hero to die.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I sort of felt like going into a rage fest after reading that.

But I still don't think that bioware would be spending all this time and money just to create something that is absolute crap that pisses off their entire fanbase. Unless they are all seeking to commit corporate suicide, it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever to do that. "Artistic" or not.

[TMA LIVE]

jeff359 wrote...

This is worrying:

"Q: What did you think about the ending?"
"A: Maybe it was too much of a realistic ending? It’s like the Sopranos, Six Feet Under… you know the main character is going to die.”

Since she is reading from the FAQ or have had the answers PR filtered before this was posted. I'm mostly concerned that they think the major problem is we don't want our hero to die.

Yet, when some fans are given an alternate ending that still involves Shepard's death, it still sucks because Shepard dies no matter what.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 12 juin 2012 - 09:37 .

[The Invisible Commando]

The problem is Bioware thinks people hate the ending because Shepard dies. That's what they must even tell the actors. They just don't get it and never read all the threads and youtube videos about it after all.

For the last time: Its not that Shepard dies, its that the endings are just silly and full of holes!!!

[BigglesFlysAgain]

jeff359 wrote...

This is worrying:

"Q: What did you think about the ending?"
"A: Maybe it was too much of a realistic ending? It’s like the Sopranos, Six Feet Under… you know the main character is going to die.”

Since she is reading from the FAQ or have had the answers PR filtered before this was posted. I'm mostly concerned that they think the major problem is we don't want our hero to die.

I know, I don't know how sticking to a literary cliche that the hero dies and the end makes things more realistic... most real life heroes die long before the "ending" of whatever situation they are in, or they live on to deal with all the crap they have seen / caused... just going "pop" at the last minute seems like an easy way out for them.

[OMTING52601]

Yeah, generally not while they are still alive though - the artists making stuff more for themselves rather than an audience. Van Gogh sold a grand total of one painting while he was alive. Just sayin'.

I don't get why people think being an artist translates into no one can ever tell them they are substandard artists. I don't get why the idea of making a profit off something turns that thing into a product is so hard for lots of folks to comprehend. I don't get why people insist on personifying businesses.

I think the VA is pretty cool and while nothing she said should really make anyone more hopeful, IMO, at least she's professional about the whole thing.

There is no snarkiness or mean spiritedness in my post, FWIW.

Modifié par OMTING52601, 12 juin 2012 - 09:39 .

[BigglesFlysAgain]

TMA LIVE wrote...



Yet, when some fans are given an alternate ending that still involves Shepard's death, it still sucks because Shepard dies no matter what.

Well that depends on how / if they expand on the destroy ending I think...

But since the ending genie is out of the bottle there is no way to "unsee" what happend, and if the EC fails in some respects to do what people wanted, people will feel it was a missed opertunity to do that X thing, even if doing X was never on the cards people will feel bioware had no escuse for not doing X becuase they had the time and the large ammount of feedback...

[TMA LIVE]

OMTING52601 wrote...

Yeah, generally not while they are still alive though - the artists making stuff more for themselves rather than an audience. Van Gogh sold a grand total of one painting while he was alive. Just sayin'.

Wow. One artist starved because no one cared about buying the rest of his work while he was alive. And I'm sure there's others. And if there's an example of someone who got rich off 2 painting while still being alive, you wouldn't care. Why? Because to you, being an artist means you can't make money. Or can't be both an artist and a business man.

Like seriously, if I made something that I put a lot of personal and artistic thought into it, I'm not an artist, because I made money off it. That's what you're saying. Because I sold it and made money, by default, I'm not an artist. Whatever artistic thoughts I put into it does not matter, because of the dollar sign I got.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 12 juin 2012 - 09:51 .

[Necrotron]

Knottedredloc wrote...

Quote "The sessions I’ve had so far have been really simple, and Bioware’s not changing the ending, but it’s explaining and justifying it more.” - Kimberly Brooks

So, just as everyone expected, the vast majority will continue to hate the ending to Mass Effect, and a large portion of those who liked the ending will be swayed to hating it because of debunking indoctrination theory.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Uh-huh.

[S3Plan]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

I tend to think of her more as Oracle's voice in the Batman games.

Ditto. I found myself thinking of Barbara a few times during ME3 whenever Ashley spoke.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

TMA LIVE wrote...


Wow. One artist starved because no one cared about buying the rest of his work while he was alive. And I'm sure there's others. And if there's an example of someone who got rich off 2 painting while still being alive, you wouldn't care. Why? Because to you, being an artist means you can't make money. Or can't be both an artist and a business man.

Like seriously, if I made something that I put a lot of personal and artistic thought into it, I'm not an artist, because I made money off it. That's what you're saying. Because I sold it and made money, by default, I'm not an artist. Whatever artistic thoughts I put into it does not matter, because of the dollar sign I got.

Artists who were successful during their lives tended to paint things that the Middle and upper classes of their time would have liked, I.e if there was a trend for pictures of trees, and you continue to paint ships becuase they inspire you the most, few people will spend money on your paintings becuase its not what they are looking for, though by the time you die trends may have changed and suddenly your masterful ships are worth millions, not that you will get a penny.

Basicly, do what you like because you think its good usualy means few sales, while catering to a demand means people will buy your works

The bigger question is can a work produced by commitee and a large number of people (i.e mass effect 3) be true art?

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 12 juin 2012 - 09:57 .

[TMA LIVE]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...


Wow. One artist starved because no one cared about buying the rest of his work while he was alive. And I'm sure there's others. And if there's an example of someone who got rich off 2 painting while still being alive, you wouldn't care. Why? Because to you, being an artist means you can't make money. Or can't be both an artist and a business man.

Like seriously, if I made something that I put a lot of personal and artistic thought into it, I'm not an artist, because I made money off it. That's what you're saying. Because I sold it and made money, by default, I'm not an artist. Whatever artistic thoughts I put into it does not matter, because of the dollar sign I got.

Artists who were successful during their lives tended to paint things that the Middle and upper classes of their time would have liked, I.e if there was a trend for pictures of trees, and you continue to paint ships becuase they inspire you the most, few people will spend money on your paintings becuase its not what they are looking for, though by the time you die trends may have changed and suddenly your masterful ships are worth millions, not that you will get a penny.

Basicly, do what you like because you think its good usualy means few sales, while catering to a demand means people will buy your works

The bigger question is can a work produced by commitee and a large number of people (i.e mass effect 3) be true art?

Filmmaking is a commitee, unless the director is doing every job. And films are considered art. Including successful ones.

[DirtySHISN0]

I respect what she says about the voice acting despite the fact i despise ashley - she actually has quite a nice voice.

But her comments on the games ending are ignorant.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

TMA LIVE wrote...



Filmmaking is a commitee, unless the director is doing every job. And films are considered art. Including successful ones.

It does depend on the film, but I think that games like mass effect have more people making decisions than a typical film might though, If Casey Hudson and Mr Gamble wrote every part of the story and or were in charge of every decision, down to the level of shine on Mirandas boobs (maybe they really are? lol) with the rest of the studio basically working to their specifications with no discussion allowed or your fired, then it would be closer to a film.


I think that the fact games are an interactive experience and the player does not always experience, but does means the "vision" of the people in charge is diluted more, so your not really taking in everything they intended.

[Quething]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well they did get your money.

They won't get any more of it, though, and that's a lot bigger of a loss to them than one sixty dollar game.

[Dust316]

Kimberly is hot. Should have been the face model for Ash as well!

[OMTING52601]

TMA LIVE wrote...

OMTING52601 wrote...

Yeah, generally not while they are still alive though - the artists making stuff more for themselves rather than an audience. Van Gogh sold a grand total of one painting while he was alive. Just sayin'.

Wow. One artist starved because no one cared about buying the rest of his work while he was alive. And I'm sure there's others. And if there's an example of someone who got rich off 2 painting while still being alive, you wouldn't care. Why? Because to you, being an artist means you can't make money. Or can't be both an artist and a business man.

Like seriously, if I made something that I put a lot of personal and artistic thought into it, I'm not an artist, because I made money off it. That's what you're saying. Because I sold it and made money, by default, I'm not an artist. Whatever artistic thoughts I put into it does not matter, because of the dollar sign I got.

Huh? My comment was that artists that are in it for the art alone don't generally see much profit while they are alive. I didn't say an artist can't make money from their work.

Like seriously, if you made something you put a lot of artistic thought into and you made money, congratulations! That's what I do - yeah, I'm a freelance writer. I sell works of fiction to publishers who then give me royalties that I then use to pay bills. And as such, I'm totally a business person to, so I have an above average grasp of what my target audience is interested in buying, because I absolutely want to continue making money writing books.

I also don't, as a rule, do things to alienate my audience, FWIW. Since I'm making art, sure, but it's a product, really, first. Ticking off buyers doesn't equal a fruitful career, IME.

Sorry if you misinterpreted my post. It wasn't intended to upset anyone.

Anyway, closer to topic, so we know Telfer, Henrickson, Sbarge, and Brooks have come back to record more lines. Has anyone else been confirmed?

[Almostfaceman]

The Angry One wrote...

EC will probably go like this:

Shepard: "I'm going to use my radio to call my love interest for a tearful farewell before obeying the Catalyst!"

<insert LI dialogue here>

Shepard: "Joker, I'm ordering you to run away for no reason."

Joker: "I should really argue against this but I'm not going to. Bye!"

Hackett: "What about the rest of us?"

Shepard: "Don't really care, I'm stranding you anyway."

Hackett: "What was that?"

Shepard: "I said it's been an honour, sir! Now to pick a colour."

Well, this is some funny ****e.  Well said. 

It's good to see that the boards are still dominated by the hatred for the ending, because yes it just sucked that much.

[Astralify]

Sh!tstorm Unleashed 2? LOL :D