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[Hakuthehedgehog]

I don't really understand the nerf on the Reegar: Infiltrators were the class that made it OP and really shine, and they don't care at all about cooldowns anyways.

Krysae nerf: Nothing much, I guess it's more balanced now.

All the buffs: very good indeed.

Hunter mode nerf: heh, not that big of deal, GE still awesome when setting Tech bursts with the Falcon with disruptor ammo 3.

[GroverA125]

Master Xanthan wrote...

You can't really compare Geth health to Human health. Humans have terrible health and shields. And no I don't have to accept that its overpowered, cutting shields in half is still a pretty big drawback. When your team gets overrun, the engineer can be downed in just a few shots.

Asari also have 500 health and shields. A drell only has half of that. even in hunter mode, you still have higher shields than a drell, and you had an insane amount of damage bonuses (as well as either a 90% damage increase or a turret that autoheals you anyway). The class was overpowered. And to be honest, even if it wasn't, if everyone didn't constantly use them, then they wouldn't bother decreasing the power to equalise the multiplayer in terms of character usage. If it wasn't overpowered in any way, then why is it that everyone used them on harder difficulties?

[Taritu]

Krysae still seems OP. AOE damage in line with the single target BW, and ignores shield gate. Honestly, needs to be balanced a bit more. Move in the right direction though, and I do understand Bioware prefers to balance in small steps rather than large. Other than that quibble, I think this is a generally good set of buffs.

Would like to see some more help for the female Quarian engineer, mind you.

[Master Xanthan]

GroverA125 wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

You can't really compare Geth health to Human health. Humans have terrible health and shields. And no I don't have to accept that its overpowered, cutting shields in half is still a pretty big drawback. When your team gets overrun, the engineer can be downed in just a few shots.

Asari also have 500 health and shields. A drell only has half of that. even in hunter mode, you still have higher shields than a drell, and you had an insane amount of damage bonuses (as well as either a 90% damage increase or a turret that autoheals you anyway). The class was overpowered. And to be honest, even if it wasn't, if everyone didn't constantly use them, then they wouldn't bother decreasing the power to equalise the multiplayer in terms of character usage. If it wasn't overpowered in any way, then why is it that everyone used them on harder difficulties?

I only used Geth Infiltrator on gold. Geth Engineer didn't deserve the nerf though. 

[Lord Chun]

Now if they only would nerf the SI they need to take ED and PM and give it something useless

[Master Xanthan]

Lord Chun wrote...

Now if they only would nerf the SI they need to take ED and PM and give it something useless

Nerf ALL the Things!!!!!!!!!!

[DennyHoffmann]

Pekkan wrote...

Do you have any graphics, texture or UI mods? Apparently those are one of the more common causes of duplication.

Nope, I don't use any mods. I believe it is caused by some issue with my notebook's graphic card not being able to render it right, since it is pretty weak compared to a offboard card and it is common to some effects "glitch". Unless there is some way to deactivate the screen effects I will not be able to ever use it, and I sure doubt BW will ever remove the effects, since there was thousands of threads asking to remove the Hunter Mode silly effects and we never got an official response about it.

Modifié par DennyHoffmann, 12 juin 2012 - 10:29 .

[abaddon41_80]

Immortal Strife wrote...

abaddon41_80 wrote...

I really don't understand why they buffed, even if it is slightly, the Talon and the Saber. Both were already very good guns. The Krysae's damage should have stayed the same but the clip size lowered to two and the Reegar nerf is about what I thought it would be, though I still think it should weigh more than the GPS and Graal.

What I can't understand is why Hunter Mode gets a pretty severe nerf while Tactical Cloak does not

Bioware clearly felt that the GI was the character in the class making the infiltrator feel overpowered. If you didn't realize how op the Krysae was, especially on a GI then you should stick to single player.

I don't think you understood what I said.  I think the Krysae should have been nerfed more in lowering its clip size from three to two instead of lowering the damage.

[joker_jack]

This is why the community keeps getting smaller. The vocal minority keeps whining something is preventing them from being the elite so they demand all things be nerfed except the things they can use and no one else. How about go nerf yourself?

[Master Xanthan]

Immortal Strife wrote...

abaddon41_80 wrote...

I really don't understand why they buffed, even if it is slightly, the Talon and the Saber. Both were already very good guns. The Krysae's damage should have stayed the same but the clip size lowered to two and the Reegar nerf is about what I thought it would be, though I still think it should weigh more than the GPS and Graal.

What I can't understand is why Hunter Mode gets a pretty severe nerf while Tactical Cloak does not

Bioware clearly felt that the GI was the character in the class making the infiltrator feel overpowered. If you didn't realize how op the Krysae was, especially on a GI then you should stick to single player.

Elitism at its finest.......

[Lord Chun]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Lord Chun wrote...

Now if they only would nerf the SI they need to take ED and PM and give it something useless

Nerf ALL the Things!!!!!!!!!!

It already start I was just giving ideas that's all 

[ericjdev]

I have Talon VII so that buff is awesome, I was worried about Krysae but it looks like it will still be dominant, a 10% damage reduction isn't going to keep me from totally pwning with it.

[ntrisley]

Atheosis wrote...

T1l wrote...

Hunter Mode nerf. Why. Christ almighty. Why.

Because they refuse to deal with the real issues: TC's multiplicative bonus of 40% to sniper rifles.

Explain the popularity/power of the GI with GPS.

Hint:
It's not because of "TC's multiplicative bonus of 40% to sniper rifles."

It's the power of the Geth classes when using their "get a bonus to Geth weapons" Evolution alongside of Hunter Mode.

[neoskeptic2]

Talons are an option for Asari and Drell. I want one already.

As for the Saber... I'm still holding my breath for weight reduction, or ammo cap buff. It was already pretty lethal at its old stats.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

I think the balance changes were good. To be honest, the GI & GE will still be exceptional classes to play even with these nerfs. I rarely play GI anymore, unless I feel like the lobby I'm in may be short of extraction material, but I can guarantee it is probably still the heaviest hitting character, and people will still cry and moan.

[joker_jack]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

abaddon41_80 wrote...

I really don't understand why they buffed, even if it is slightly, the Talon and the Saber. Both were already very good guns. The Krysae's damage should have stayed the same but the clip size lowered to two and the Reegar nerf is about what I thought it would be, though I still think it should weigh more than the GPS and Graal.

What I can't understand is why Hunter Mode gets a pretty severe nerf while Tactical Cloak does not

Bioware clearly felt that the GI was the character in the class making the infiltrator feel overpowered. If you didn't realize how op the Krysae was, especially on a GI then you should stick to single player.

Elitism at its finest.......

^^This^^

[tunndraa]

joker_jack wrote...

This is why the community keeps getting smaller. The vocal minority keeps whining something is preventing them from being the elite so they demand all things be nerfed except the things they can use and no one else. How about go nerf yourself?

I agree with you 100%. The loyal player base is being punished. While the petition/nerf player base will jump ship and trade the game in the first chance they get.

[GroverA125]

Master Xanthan wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

You can't really compare Geth health to Human health. Humans have terrible health and shields. And no I don't have to accept that its overpowered, cutting shields in half is still a pretty big drawback. When your team gets overrun, the engineer can be downed in just a few shots.

Asari also have 500 health and shields. A drell only has half of that. even in hunter mode, you still have higher shields than a drell, and you had an insane amount of damage bonuses (as well as either a 90% damage increase or a turret that autoheals you anyway). The class was overpowered. And to be honest, even if it wasn't, if everyone didn't constantly use them, then they wouldn't bother decreasing the power to equalise the multiplayer in terms of character usage. If it wasn't overpowered in any way, then why is it that everyone used them on harder difficulties?

I only used Geth Infiltrator on gold. Geth Engineer didn't deserve the nerf though. 

How so? His low shields is perfectly compensated for by the turret which heals all the team within a radius, or beats the hell out of anything that gets too close. he still has a 30% damage bonus (which is the same as a turian), but still has RoF and accuracy bonuses, the ability to track enemies through walls and can further increase his damage if he uses geth weapons, where the damage goes up to 40%.

Still nowhere near useless, and to be honest, he still outmodes the Human and Quarian engineers (whom have skillsets which don't do too well on gold, compared to that of a Geth)

[coldflame]

Nooooooooo... hunter mode nerf. Why oh why Bioware?????!!!!!!!!!! Now my GE is sad.

Modifié par tcgtqu, 12 juin 2012 - 10:44 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

ntrisley wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

T1l wrote...

Hunter Mode nerf. Why. Christ almighty. Why.

Because they refuse to deal with the real issues: TC's multiplicative bonus of 40% to sniper rifles.

Explain the popularity/power of the GI with GPS.

Hint:
It's not because of "TC's multiplicative bonus of 40% to sniper rifles."

It's the power of the Geth classes when using their "get a bonus to Geth weapons" Evolution alongside of Hunter Mode.

Ok, now explain the far greater popularity of infiltrator + non-geth sniper rifles.

[Miniditka77]

Atheosis wrote...

I'm mad about the whole thing.  Hunter Mode was perfectly blanced on the GE.  You don't mess with perfectly balanced powers.  Just because they were idiots and gave GI's both Tactical Cloak and Hunter Mode for some unknown reason does not mean they should be nerfing a balanced power on a balanced class as well.  The truth is that they should've given GI a different cloak power with less damage and more utility, but they screwed it up and now they are making more of a mess while ham-fistedly trying to fix things.

I like the idea of HM with Tactical Cloak - the Geth Hunters get it, why shouldn't we?  I agree that the GI is ridiculous in the right hands though.  They should have either changed the Tactical Cloak power like you said (or maybe just made it weaker with HM on), or should have given the GI a less effective 3rd power like Cryo Blast or Concussive Shot or something.

Nerfing Hunter Mode was probably not the best way to address the issue, but I seriously don't think the changes are going to affect that much.  I don't have a GE though, only a GI, so I admit I might not realize how much it would affect the GE.

[Necrotron]

Hunter mode vision range decrease!? Booo!

That seems an unneccesary and frustrating change.

[Master Xanthan]

tunndraa wrote...

joker_jack wrote...

This is why the community keeps getting smaller. The vocal minority keeps whining something is preventing them from being the elite so they demand all things be nerfed except the things they can use and no one else. How about go nerf yourself?

I agree with you 100%. The loyal player base is being punished. While the petition/nerf player base will jump ship and trade the game in the first chance they get.

Yeah, I loved the game before they started nerfing the crap out of everything. I still like the game, but I had no trouble enjoying this game before the nerfs.

[Zjarcal]

astheoceansblue wrote...

Red Intensity wrote...
now that Hunter Mode has been rendered useless.

LMFAO.

It's still one of the best powers in the game.

Indeed. To claim it is now "useless" is just idiotic.

[Clayless]

It almost feels pointless to play as anything decent will eventually be nerfed into oblivion.