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[Orca_]

Blind2Society wrote...

I remember when this thread was fun satirical thread. Then all these serious people who only ever like to argue had to ruin it. I fear the fun is now forever lost.

Could a mod lock this thread now because with all the words flying around I don't see it falling to the void by itself and it's really getting depressing to think of what it once was.

"I've lost the argument, so let's just shut everyone up." ?

[Blind2Society]

I didn't loose a goddamn thing. That's what people who just like to argue for the sake of arguing say. Even though they know for a fact that arguing will get them no where. You should be ashamed of yourself for even saying that.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 13 juin 2012 - 03:03 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Blind2Society wrote...

I remember when this thread was fun satirical thread. Then all these serious people who only ever like to argue had to ruin it. I fear the fun is now forever lost.

Could a mod lock this thread now because with all the words flying around I don't see it falling to the void by itself and it's really getting depressing to think of what it once was.

 

This thread was supposed to be fun? I get the satire, but satire is rude and used as ridicule and does not contribute to the notion that this thread was ever supposed to be fun. 

It seemed more like basic flame bait to me. You ridicule a whole section of the forums arguement by parodying it without even understanding what we argue. 

[Blind2Society]

Go back and read. It was fun for many of us. Stand up comedy works the same way.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Blind2Society wrote...

I didn't loose a goddamn thing. That's what people who just like to argue for the sake of arguing say. Even though they know for a fact that arguing will get them no where. You should be ashamed of yourself for even saying that.

"Hey i made a thread on a hotly debated topic!" 
"Hey i've argued my side of the story for 6 pages on this hotly debated topic thread"
"Hey let's not waste time arguing guiz, Shamez" 

[TehMerc]

Blind2Society wrote...

I didn't loose a goddamn thing. That's what people who just like to argue for the sake of arguing say. Even though they know for a fact that arguing will get them no where. You should be ashamed of yourself for even saying that.

Shoulda just stuck with trolling, intelligent discussion is not your forte.

[Apl_Juice]

 Someone sounds a little salty 

[smyss]

-.- "" lol

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Blind2Society wrote...

Go back and read. It was fun for many of us. Stand up comedy works the same way.

I doubt anyone actually found it funny and was more just trying to show support for your line of thinking that the nerfers are "game balance commies. "


lol does not mean someone actually lol'ed 

[Blind2Society]

^Who are you to say whether they did or didn't. Oh yeah, I forgot, you are one of those who knows all. And your ideas are the only ones that will make the game better,

It's not is it? This whole thread since the second page has been "I think this would make the game better." "No, this would make the game better." REPEAT. You think because someone does that with fancy words it's intelligent discussion? You think arguing opinions that will never change is intelligent? I fear for you.

I'm simply tired of it myself.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 13 juin 2012 - 03:10 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...
Problem solved right?

Your screen name is apt.  You are clearly blind to the purpose that balance serves in an RPG or what people who want balance want from balance.

What people want from balance is to not be outscored and to be able to kill as many enemies as the next guy if not more.

BTW here's where your thread became pure *censored* rather than rude and ignorant satire it once was. 

[Orca_]

Then why do you keep posting to this thread?

Wait.

Why do *I* keep posting to this thread?

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Blind2Society wrote...

It's not is it? This whole thread since the second page has been "I think this would make the game better."

2nd page?

i'm sorry but i thought the very first post was an expression on your thoughts towards balance and how it should be handled. 

[hihey54]

Oh yes I forgot that my leisurely video GAME playing should = science and medicine.  Thanks for reminding me that I should pursue my recreational activities with the same kind of attitude as I would curing cancer.There you go again ... telling others how to do things or see things. Well I'm sorry ... I REFUSE to treat my recreational activities as work ... they're meant to be fun for MOST and not just fun for some.Anyone who regulary plays PUG will be able to contest that the majority of players out there are not the min/max I score 150k+ a game types.

So, because he used a metaphor, he meant that ME3 MP=Science&work.


I mean, do you even try to understand what people write? It's not that hard, really.


He's simply stating that although he knows that PERFECT balance is unachievable, the devs (and the community) should not stop making changes in order to balance the game.


Look at the Eagle. Buff after buff, it's slowly becoming a better weapon.

[Blind2Society]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...
Problem solved right?

Your screen name is apt.  You are clearly blind to the purpose that balance serves in an RPG or what people who want balance want from balance.

What people want from balance is to not be outscored and to be able to kill as many enemies as the next guy if not more.

BTW here's where your thread became pure *censored* rather than rude and ignorant satire it once was. 

Well in that quote tree both he and I were genralizing. So I suppose I was guilty as well.

[TehMerc]

Blind2Society wrote...
You think because someone does that with fancy words it's intelligent discussion? You think arguing opinions that will never change is intelligent? I fear for you.

BACK! You monsters of Logic and Reason. Away with you!

This thread was funny in more ways than you might think at any rate, for me at least.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Orca_ wrote...



Why do *I* keep posting to this thread?

I'm wondering the same thing myself.


I wonder why any Pro-balancer even bothers to argue with an Anti-nerfer anymore and vice versa. for it almost always results to the anti nerfer making the baseless claim that all Pro-balancers are doing this because they got outscored. 

[xxHiDa SuFixx]

Orca_ wrote...

darkblade wrote...

No seriously we need to stop because people don't no how to ask for proper balance...instead all we get is

heavier weapons, nerfed damage, and nerfed powers.

Really why was hunter mode nerfed?

And why was the Kyrasea's damage nerfed......those two things were never the problem.

Because up to 22.5% damage, faster movement, faster recharge speeds, and wall hacks were overpowered on anything.

Yes, even Geth Engineer.

I've had some buddies of mine who are NOT the best players feel like the only class they can play is Geth Infiltrator or Engineer because otherwise they aren't contributing.

And to be fair, their scores are relatively low on their non Geth classes, unless they're shooting for biotic explosion city.

That is a problem.  How soon till they decide it's just boring to play?  Most of the people I was playing with at launch have already bored of the game.  How much longer will they hold out if they're only playing one race/class?  How much longer will I hold out?  I already restrict myself to a handful of classes when pubbing, because I want to be able to try to carry the team if everyone else is failing.  That doesn't keep me interested in the game...

Wait ... so when you play with your friends and they  are using non-geth characters ... do you guys ever win?

And if you guys do win ... is it because you carried your friends?

And when they play as Geth ... do you guys all compete for first place? 

I ask these things because ... maybe its your friends not the game's balance. (no offense to your friends ... I have some that won't play gold)

How about this guys ... let's make a list of gold viable builds shall we?
Let's see how much balance there is ... we ARE talking about a coop game right?
I'm not looking for "which build always tops the score board" because score board doesn't matter.
I'm talking about being able to contribute to the team goal ... extraction (or at least making the money on wave 10)


I'll start with the ones I use on gold ... copy and add your own (build numbers off the top of my head)

AAdept - 6/6/6/6/0 stasis phantoms, BE everything else
AJusticar - tanking ability, reave spam.  Best used with a biotic detonator friend
DAdept - reave + cluster bomb grenadier

HSoldier - 6/0/6/6/6 claymore + adrenaline rush spam
BSoldier - 6/6/6/4/4 (i think). GPS, exploding blades, fire bombing

SEngineer - decoy, energy drain spam
GEngineer - HM, turret, overload spam ... like SE but giving up survivalbility for more offense

HSentinel - 6/6/6/5/3 tougher AA when I'm not worried about phantoms. 

SInfiltrator - 6/6/6/6/0 TC>PM/ED>shoot>rinse/repeat 
GInfiltrator - 4/6/6/6/4 Claymore
QFInfiltrator - 6/0/6/6/6 Usually use Valiant. Love watching enemies just keel over and die from sabotage
QMInfiltrator - 4/6/6/6/4 Claymore + arc grenade spam

PVangaurd - still learning but I love spamming smash from behind walls/cover lol

thats 13 builds that I use in gold with good results

[Blind2Society]

hihey54 wrote...


I mean, do you even try to understand what people write? It's not that hard, really.

He's gulty of the same thing.

hihey54 wrote...
the devs (and the community) should not stop making changes in order to balance the game.

In his opinion. Which is why this entire argument is for naught. We have are own opinions and many feel the game is fun as it is and any further changes will only hurt things.

It is his opinion. and all these people who shared that opinion say I lost the argument. How, I didn't agree with him when it started and I still don't. He still doesn't agree with me. So who really won the argument? No one. Because no one ever could.

[Orca_]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Orca_ wrote...

Why do *I* keep posting to this thread?

I'm wondering the same thing myself.


I wonder why any Pro-balancer even bothers to argue with an Anti-nerfer anymore and vice versa. for it almost always results to the anti nerfer making the baseless claim that all Pro-balancers are doing this because they got outscored. 

I can't go to bed; someone's wrong on the internet!

[Blind2Society]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Orca_ wrote...



Why do *I* keep posting to this thread?

I'm wondering the same thing myself.


I wonder why any Pro-balancer even bothers to argue with an Anti-nerfer anymore and vice versa. for it almost always results to the anti nerfer making the baseless claim that all Pro-balancers are doing this because they got outscored. 

But when I say we should end it because I can see it will go nowhere you find some whitty thing to say to keep it going don't you. And don't disagree because the evidence is a few posts up.

[Blind2Society]

Orca_ wrote...

I can't go to bed; someone's wrong on the internet!

Yes we are wrong because we don't play the same way as you and don't feel your "balance" changes are the right way to go. But your ideas are right and everyone else is wrong so you'll argue it all night long even though you know it will always end in a stalemate.

I believe there's a word for doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

[TehMerc]

Blind2Society wrote...
I believe there's a word for doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

Yeah, I dunno why people make threads complaining about how Bioware changed balance issues either. It's crazy

[Blind2Society]

TehMerc wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...
I believe there's a word for doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

Yeah, I dunno why people make threads complaining about how Bioware changed balance issues either. It's crazy

See, it keeps going. The threads have produced results. Arguing one's opinion and in hopes of changing another's opinion when that persons's opinion won't change will never produce a result.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Blind2Society wrote...

Orca_ wrote...

I can't go to bed; someone's wrong on the internet!

Yes we are wrong because we don't play the same way as you and don't feel your "balance" changes are the right way to go. 

No your wrong because you claim to represent our arguement with your satire thread and it portrays an idea that is not our own.

When an anti nerfer uses an arguement that dosen't start with "They mad cuz they got outscored" then i will respect their opinion even if i disagree with it. but when they spout out an arguement like your making i'm going to scoff at it because it holds no ground and is just ignorant to the truth and is equal to a child sticking his fingers in his ears and screaming.