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[Shampoohorn]

Drawrof wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Do the math. Two regular spectre packs (Which is what a PSP is) cost 120k credits, as opposed to a PSP, which cost 99k credits.

So, buy PSPs.

Actually do the math. Say the OP was to have 1.2 million he could buy either 12 psp or 20 rsp. 

12 psp = 60 d-pad consummables, 24 equipment consummables with 12 chances of gear upgrades, and 24 gold items with chance of 24 ultra rares. 

20 rsp = 100 d-pad consummables , 60 equipment consummables with 20 chances of gear upgrades, and 20 gold items with chance of 20 ultra rares. 

So to get a chance for 4 chances at ultra rares one must forgo 40 d-pad consummables, 36 equipment consummables , and 8 chances for gear upgrades. 

I think spectre packs is the obvious choice. 

Wrong.

You are assuming that the chance of getting ultra rares is the same in both packs.  This is not the case.  I just took the most recent numbers from acturater's thread and calculated the drop rate per credit spent for PSPacks and SPacks.

Link Here.

The UR drop rate is 50% higher per credit spent on PSPacks than for SPacks. 

Another way to say this is you will get on average 50% more URs from 100 PSPacks than you would from 160 SPacks.  And also, even if you bought one JEPack everytime you bought a PSPack, the UR drop rate would still be higher and you would also get tons of consumables.

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 13 juin 2012 - 01:26 .

[McKnight23]

PSPs. There is nothing you can get from SP you cant get in the PSP, and PSPs have a better chance for untra-rares.

[Dharvy]

Drawrof wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Do the math. Two regular spectre packs (Which is what a PSP is) cost 120k credits, as opposed to a PSP, which cost 99k credits.

So, buy PSPs.

Actually do the math. Say the OP was to have 1.2 million he could buy either 12 psp or 20 rsp. 

12 psp = 60 d-pad consummables, 24 equipment consummables with 12 chances of gear upgrades, and 24 gold items with chance of 24 ultra rares. 

20 rsp = 100 d-pad consummables , 60 equipment consummables with 20 chances of gear upgrades, and 20 gold items with chance of 20 ultra rares. 

So to get a chance for 4 chances at ultra rares one must forgo 40 d-pad consummables, 36 equipment consummables , and 8 chances for gear upgrades. 

I think spectre packs is the obvious choice. 

^This

Was just about to lay it out similar to that. Yes since we all want our gear, its best to got RSP packs. You get more for your time and credits. But if one is ONLY interested in getting ultra rares/rares/character cards then PSP would be a slightly better way to go.

[Dharvy]

Modifié par Dharvy, 13 juin 2012 - 02:10 .

[Uzumaki Solid]

Ok, so I spent 1.000.000 on SPs and got:

- 5 rare gears
- Black Widow III
- Indra II
- Wraith III
- 4 uncommon gears
- a ton of character cards

I must say I got pretty decent luck with the Spectre Packs. Might try this again soon and see what happens.

[ZombieGambit]

I seem to have more luck in getting the things I want in SPs, plus they're cheaper than PSPs.

[jpan89]

Honestly, I've had better luck with spectre packs.

[ghostbooty]

Do you have access to inside information?  Other than your first
sentence about your own pack buying -- which is anecdotal -- everything
else you said can't be substantiated.  Not to mentioned it's kind of annoying misleading because you sound so definitive about it.

My manifest speaks for itself. Granted, any advice given about buying things on the store system is anecdotal since there are no hard numbers to go by (that I know of). So, take what anybody (myself included) has to say about buying packs with a grain of salt.

I obtained almost all of my Ultra Rares through buying Spectre Packs. On multiple occasions I've bought 20-30 SP or PSP in a row. I've never been awarded more than one Ultra Rare in a PSP, and that's after buying about 20 of them. Spectre Packs, on the other hand, have awarded me with consecutive Ultra Rares many times. When I finally got my Indra upgraded to level 10 the Spectre Packs gave me three of them in a row, one pack after another. I've had that happen with other weapons, too. It seems that the more Spectre Packs you buy in a row the more likely they are to contain Ultra Rares. Its like the store system takes pity on you, or something.


-Matt C.-

Modifié par ghostbooty, 13 juin 2012 - 03:49 .

[CHAw]

ghostbooty wrote...

My manifest speaks for itself. Granted, any advice given about buying things on the store system is anecdotal since there are no hard numbers to go by (that I know of). So, take what anybody (myself included) has to say about buying packs with a grain of salt.

I obtained almost all of my Ultra Rares through buying Spectre Packs. On multiple occasions I've bought 20-30 SP or PSP in a row. I've never been awarded more than one Ultra Rare in a PSP, and that's after buying about 20 of them. Spectre Packs, on the other hand, have awarded me with consecutive Ultra Rares many times. When I finally got my Indra upgraded to level 10 the Spectre Packs gave me three of them in a row, one pack after another. I've had that happen with other weapons, too. It seems that the more Spectre Packs you buy in a row the more likely they are to contain Ultra Rares. Its like the store system takes pity on you, or something.


-Matt C.-

What sort of numbers do you consider to be "hard?" This thread has quite a few numbers and, no offense, but they are far more convincing to me than your admittedly impressive manifest. And although I personally would not call those numbers hard (at least, not in the way that an official statement of the programmed probabilities would be), they are pretty much the best available, and are generally consistent with other, similar threads that have appeared on this forum.

Also, if we're going to go by anecdotes, I'd like to brag that one time, I bought three Premium Spectre Packs and got four ultra-rares. The second of those three had zero ultra-rares. Do the math on that one.

Modifié par CHAw, 13 juin 2012 - 04:27 .

[UKStory135]

SP's for gear, PSP's for Ultra Rares

[starwolf1001]

PSP have been 50/50 for me lately, seem to get better (or at least more of what I want in SP

[longbow333]

Sorry for a noob question but what does farming mean in ME3 MP context? Playing lots of Bronze?

[CHAw]

longbow333 wrote...

Sorry for a noob question but what does farming mean in ME3 MP context? Playing lots of Bronze?

Typically, it refers to repeatedly playing Firebase White against the Geth on Gold difficulty, utilizing a strategy of bunkering down behind the consoles in the room on the lower level.

[Sabbatine]

 

redlightning596 wrote...

I'm thinking of buying SP more often just to max out my rares/uncommons. However the first SP i bought in a while today gave me a Harrier, and I was very happy haha.

Normal spectre packs aren't really the way to go in order to achieve either goal.  If you want to max out rares, premium spectre packs will do it faster than normal spectre packs (you get more rares per credit spent over time).  If you want to max out uncommons, veteran packs will do it faster than normal spectre packs (three guaranteed uncommons with the chance of three rares for 60K credits versus one guaranteed rare and no guarantee on uncommons in a normal spectre pack).

Drawrof wrote...

So to get a chance for 4 chances at ultra rares one must forgo 40 d-pad consummables, 36 equipment consummables , and 8 chances for gear upgrades. 

I think spectre packs is the obvious choice. 

They might be, for you.  For me though, I don't need 40 additional in-mission consumables, or 36 additional gear items.  My weapon mods are maxed and I am well stocked on all the in mission items.  When I do run out I buy a jumbo item pack because it is all but guaranteed to give me what I need (not to mention at a lower cost than spectre packs) in quantity and that will last me quite a while.

When I am looking to buy a pack, I'm looking for the pack that has the best chance of giving me what I want... jumbo item packs for consumables, premium spectre packs for rares, veteran packs for uncommons.

[Midou-Kun]

My take on this is based on some DnD dice logic. Imagine you have to get a maximum roll from a die. Now, imagine that the PSP's a 4 sided die and the SP's a six sided die. Sure it's significantly easier to roll a 4, but you get less chances to since it cost's around 99,000 creds where as you get more chances with the 6 sided die which costs only 60,000 creds.

Bottom line, for every 200,000 creds, you get to roll 3 times (amounting to 180,000) with a slightly lesser chance of getting UR's or you get to roll 2 times (amounting to 198,000) with a slightly higher chance of getting UR's.

Personally, I go for SP's, but that's just me.

[BazoozooTV]

I prefer regular Spectre Packs as well... I'm not really willing to forgo all the consumables for a "higher chance" at an Ultra Rare.

Plus:
-I've been getting reasonable drops of Ultra Rares in SPs
-SPs seem to drop more Gear items than PSPs. Gear items are more valuable to me right now than Ultra Rares.

Modifié par BazoozooTV, 13 juin 2012 - 05:58 .

[Siran]

Last 12mil credits I spent on PSP had a drop-rate for UR of 20% for me, even had two PSP containing 2 UR at the same time - can't have that with SP.

I got almost all my UR (and every single one of my gear) out of PSP, so here's a different story than ghostbooty. Got all my UR without spending real money, if that's any indication.

The way I see it (and I don't believe they have implemented it any other way in the game) is that each "gold slot" has a given chance for an UR, say 10%. Since PSP have two slots, they have a drop-rate of 2x10%. SP on the other hand 1x10%.

Modifié par Siran, 13 juin 2012 - 06:34 .

[CarpeJugulum]

Midou-Kun wrote...

My take on this is based on some DnD dice logic. Imagine you have to get a maximum roll from a die. Now, imagine that the PSP's a 4 sided die and the SP's a six sided die. Sure it's significantly easier to roll a 4, but you get less chances to since it cost's around 99,000 creds where as you get more chances with the 6 sided die which costs only 60,000 creds.

Bottom line, for every 200,000 creds, you get to roll 3 times (amounting to 180,000) with a slightly lesser chance of getting UR's or you get to roll 2 times (amounting to 198,000) with a slightly higher chance of getting UR's.

Personally, I go for SP's, but that's just me.

The problem with this is that both the PSP's gold slots act like the gold slot in the SP (or at least close to it, from what I've seen). For example, it's possible to get two ultra-rares in a PSP, you just have to be incredibly lucky. So, each time you get a PSP, you're actually buying two rolls of your die (one for each gold slot). So two PSPs gets you four rolls, compared to three for SPs. In my example, the two dice are the same, because the odds of getting an ultra-rare in each slot are about the same (from what I've seen anyway).

[Grotaiche]

Why would you buy an SP for gear or consummable ? That's what Jumbo packs or even Recruit packs are for.

[Siran]

Grotaiche wrote...

Why would you buy an SP for gear or consummable ? That's what Jumbo packs or even Recruit packs are for.

Jumbo Equipment Packs contain exactly zero gear. Null. Nada. Try Veteran Packs for common gear or SP for rare gear as they have the same chance as a PSP for less credits (both, PSP and SP have 1 slot that can contain gear). But I wouldn't do this, you'll max out your gear far earlier than maxing out your UR. So stick to PSP in any case. That's what I did.

Modifié par Siran, 13 juin 2012 - 08:05 .

[Grotaiche]

Oh yeah, I mistook gear for weapon mods, sorry. But yes, since they are either Uncommon or Rares, I'd rather go for Vet packs or PSPs.
Thanks for the clarification anyway !

[greghorvath]

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[Siran]

would you please stop with the spamming already, every thread that has just a hint of the store in it, you spam with your oh so great "poll"...

[longbow333]

I've had pretty dismal luck with respect to the PSP so I don't buy them any more. 2 rares: sniper rifles and heavy assault rifles - which I rarely, if ever,use.

I use up my consumables so the SP is a good balance imo for a rare and some 5packs of consumables. If you're still pretty low level (eg. I still only have a Phalanx5), Veteran packs are quite useful.