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llbountyhunter wrote...

Evolution isnt offical, niether is gravity, quanyom mechanics, or any scientific breaktgrough..... so you dont believe in those either? Are they "fiction" as well?

The scientific method was used to come to a conclusion, therfore IT is a theory.


How does that change the fact that is still fanfiction? or does this supposed evidence can be proved in the real world? I didn't know the reapers and indoctrination were a real thing.

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dreman9999 wrote...

With every symntom of indoctriantion popping up, it's clear it's not a speculation. TIM is using indoctriantion on Shepard. That's a fact.


No. TIM controls both Shepard and Anderson. That is a fact. How TIM controls Shepard- we can only speculate for now.

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HagarIshay wrote...

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It's also based on evidence. TIM was studying indoctrination tech. This is what Sanctuary was about. Also, the game files refer to indoctrination with the effects used.


I meant it was never stated how TIM controlled Shepard. Was it how he controlled his agents? Did he learn a different way to control? Did he control through indoctrination that was implented before?

IF TIM is implated with tech to control things via indoctriantion....How would it be something else? This is one of those things the writer does need to hold the veiws hand with.

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mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Evolution isnt offical, niether is gravity, quanyom mechanics, or any scientific breaktgrough..... so you dont believe in those either? Are they "fiction" as well?

The scientific method was used to come to a conclusion, therfore IT is a theory.


How does that change the fact that is still fanfiction? or does this supposed evidence can be proved in the real world? I didn't know the reapers and indoctrination were a real thing.


Look up the defenition of a theory.

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HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

With every symntom of indoctriantion popping up, it's clear it's not a speculation. TIM is using indoctriantion on Shepard. That's a fact.


No. TIM controls both Shepard and Anderson. That is a fact. How TIM controls Shepard- we can only speculate for now.

It's not a speculation if every sign of indoctrination pops up when a Man  who is implanted with reaper tech used to control indoctrianted beings.
Even Shepard note it's indoctriantion when he says to TIM,"You can control me but it doesn't mean you can control the reapers."

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llbountyhunter wrote...

Evolution isnt offical, niether is gravity, quanyom mechanics, or any scientific breaktgrough..... so you dont believe in those either? Are they "fiction" as well?

The scientific method was used to come to a conclusion, therfore IT is a theory.


Gravity is a law....It's offical.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Evolution isnt offical, niether is gravity, quanyom mechanics, or any scientific breaktgrough..... so you dont believe in those either? Are they "fiction" as well?

The scientific method was used to come to a conclusion, therfore IT is a theory.


How does that change the fact that is still fanfiction? or does this supposed evidence can be proved in the real world? I didn't know the reapers and indoctrination were a real thing.



Look up the defenition of a theory.

Gravity is a law 

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 juin 2012 - 05:45 .


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mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Evolution isnt offical, niether is gravity, quanyom mechanics, or any scientific breaktgrough..... so you dont believe in those either? Are they "fiction" as well?

The scientific method was used to come to a conclusion, therfore IT is a theory.


How does that change the fact that is still fanfiction? or does this supposed evidence can be proved in the real world? I didn't know the reapers and indoctrination were a real thing.


IT isn't fan fiction...
It's an interpretation of an existing work...

Fanfiction could use IT to write what happens next, but IT itself is a theory...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 juin 2012 - 05:47 .


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llbountyhunter wrote...

Look up the defenition of a theory.


I never said it wasn't a theory... I said it was fanfiction. They aren't exclusive.

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Bill Casey wrote...

IT isn't fan fiction...
It's an interpretation of an existing work...


Over a fictional world, made by fans.

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mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Look up the defenition of a theory.


I never said it wasn't a theory... I said it was fanfiction. They aren't exclusive.

How can it be a fanfic if the offical writers of the story made plans to use it? And even more so, foreshadowed it?

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 juin 2012 - 05:47 .


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dreman9999 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Evolution isnt offical, niether is gravity, quanyom mechanics, or any scientific breaktgrough..... so you dont believe in those either? Are they "fiction" as well?

The scientific method was used to come to a conclusion, therfore IT is a theory.


How does that change the fact that is still fanfiction? or does this supposed evidence can be proved in the real world? I didn't know the reapers and indoctrination were a real thing.



Look up the defenition of a theory.

Gravity is a law 

 
I think i got it the first five times... 

But i was talking about the theory behind this law

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llbountyhunter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Evolution isnt offical, niether is gravity, quanyom mechanics, or any scientific breaktgrough..... so you dont believe in those either? Are they "fiction" as well?

The scientific method was used to come to a conclusion, therfore IT is a theory.


How does that change the fact that is still fanfiction? or does this supposed evidence can be proved in the real world? I didn't know the reapers and indoctrination were a real thing.



Look up the defenition of a theory.

Gravity is a law 

 
I think i got it the first five times... 

But i was talking about the theory behind this law

But it's still a proven fact. We have solid proof. Theories don't.

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dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Look up the defenition of a theory.


I never said it wasn't a theory... I said it was fanfiction. They aren't exclusive.

How can it be a fanfic if the offical writers of the story made plans to use it? And even mores foreshadowed it?


And? If I make a theory based on the dark energy ending it doesn't change from being fanfic. They didn't use it, then is not there.

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mauro2222 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

IT isn't fan fiction...
It's an interpretation of an existing work...


Over a fictional world, made by fans.


That's like saying every female friend you have is your girlfriend.

IT doesnt completly fit the defention of fanfiction

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dreman9999 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Evolution isnt offical, niether is gravity, quanyom mechanics, or any scientific breaktgrough..... so you dont believe in those either? Are they "fiction" as well?

The scientific method was used to come to a conclusion, therfore IT is a theory.


How does that change the fact that is still fanfiction? or does this supposed evidence can be proved in the real world? I didn't know the reapers and indoctrination were a real thing.



Look up the defenition of a theory.

Gravity is a law 

 
I think i got it the first five times... 

But i was talking about the theory behind this law

But it's still a proven fact. We have solid proof. Theories don't.


OK, ok, im just saying we dont know how gravity works...that's all.

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mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Evolution isnt offical, niether is gravity, quanyom mechanics, or any scientific breaktgrough..... so you dont believe in those either? Are they "fiction" as well?

The scientific method was used to come to a conclusion, therfore IT is a theory.


How does that change the fact that is still fanfiction? or does this supposed evidence can be proved in the real world? I didn't know the reapers and indoctrination were a real thing.

I imagine plate tectonics would be fanfiction too? And the Big Bang theory?
That was some great fanfiction there! :o

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mauro2222 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

IT isn't fan fiction...
It's an interpretation of an existing work...


Over a fictional world, made by fans.


Yes, it's a literary interpretation/theory on an existing work of fiction...
Which is not what fan fiction is...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 juin 2012 - 05:51 .


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llbountyhunter wrote...

That's like saying every female friend you have is your girlfriend.

IT doesnt completly fit the defention of fanfiction


What? :huh:

What the hell are you talking about? :lol:

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I cannot believe this thread devolved into arguing what constitutes a scientific theory. IT is a literary theory much closer to trying to discern the meaning of a Steinbeck novel than understanding quantum mechanics.

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mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Look up the defenition of a theory.


I never said it wasn't a theory... I said it was fanfiction. They aren't exclusive.

How can it be a fanfic if the offical writers of the story made plans to use it? And even mores foreshadowed it?


And? If I make a theory based on the dark energy ending it doesn't change from being fanfic. They didn't use it, then is not there.

The fact that TIM is control Shepard i the end of the game with indoctriantion means the writerd didn't throw it out, they just changed it slightly form Harginber controling Shepard with indoctriantion to TIM.

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zambot wrote...

I cannot believe this thread devolved into arguing what constitutes a scientific theory. IT is a literary theory much closer to trying to discern the meaning of a Steinbeck novel than understanding quantum mechanics.


This...

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Bill Casey wrote...

Yes, it's a literary interpretation/theory on an existing work of fiction...
Which is not what fan fiction is...


Yes it is, your creating your own fictional story inside the already existing fictional universe.

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zambot wrote...

I cannot believe this thread devolved into arguing what constitutes a scientific theory. IT is a literary theory much closer to trying to discern the meaning of a Steinbeck novel than understanding quantum mechanics.


No one ever said it as a scientific theory.

Its a theory thats uses parts of the scientific method... (its practially impossible to avoid that method)

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zambot wrote...

I cannot believe this thread devolved into arguing what constitutes a scientific theory. IT is a literary theory much closer to trying to discern the meaning of a Steinbeck novel than understanding quantum mechanics.

It's still is a theory. Theory is not exclucive to science nor is the used of the scientific method.