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dreman9999 wrote...

Here's you comfermation...
*snip* 

NOT EVERY SHEPARD DID ARRIVAL.

If you didn't do Arrival, then Alliance marines did Arrival for you.


The events of Arrival- canon.

Who is doing the events of Arrival- not canon.

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Here's you comfermation...
*snip* 

NOT EVERY SHEPARD DID ARRIVAL.

If you didn't do Arrival, then Alliance marines did Arrival for you.


The events of Arrival- canon.

Who is doing the events of Arrival- not canon.

I know that. But the plot is still written as you did...Just like LOTSB.

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Here's you comfermation...
*snip* 

NOT EVERY SHEPARD DID ARRIVAL.

If you didn't do Arrival, then Alliance marines did Arrival for you.


The events of Arrival- canon.

Who is doing the events of Arrival- not canon.

Not every shepard helps liara become the shadow broker, but she becomes it anyways.

Not every shepard completes arrival but the effects happen anyways.

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dreman9999 wrote...

I know that. But the plot is still written as you did...Just like LOTSB.

Right. they are. That's why they're canon. But that's still doesn't change the fact that what has been going on there cannot determind the story for all Shepards. If it was then it should have been in the actual game.

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llbountyhunter wrote...


Not every shepard helps liara become the shadow broker, but she becomes it anyways.

Not every shepard completes arrival but the effects happen anyways.

And that is why I wrote this:

 

 
The events of Arrival- canon.

Who is doing the events of Arrival- not canon.

Same goes for LOTSB.

Liara becoming the Shadow broker- canon.

who helps Liara  becoming the Shadow broker- not canon

Modifié par HagarIshay, 15 juin 2012 - 03:21 .

[mauro2222]

It's a fanfic... saying that you don't like fanfiction doesn't change nothing.

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I know that. But the plot is still written as you did...Just like LOTSB.

Right. they are. That's why they're canon. But that's still doesn't change the fact that what has been going on there cannot determind the story for all Shepards. If it was then it should have been in the actual game.

That still doesn't change the intentions for what BW has for the story. Just like lotsb, if you didn't do it, the results of the plot still happens IN me3. If they intended for Shepard to be indoctronated from that mission, they will still have an indoctrinated Shepard in the plot but from another means..

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


Not every shepard helps liara become the shadow broker, but she becomes it anyways.

Not every shepard completes arrival but the effects happen anyways.

And that is why I wrote this:

 

 
The events of Arrival- canon.

Who is doing the events of Arrival- not canon.

Same goes for LOTSB.

Liara becoming the Shadow broker- canon.

who helps Liara  becoming the Shadow broker- not canon

And if bw intended SHEPARD to be indoctrinated, it will still happen where they did arrival or not.

[llbountyhunter]

mauro2222 wrote...

It's a fanfic... saying that you don't like fanfiction doesn't change nothing.

.....dont read much do you?

[mauro2222]

llbountyhunter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

It's a fanfic... saying that you don't like fanfiction doesn't change nothing.

.....dont read much do you?

I don't need to, "IT" isn't official and is fanmade, hence fan-fiction.

Modifié par mauro2222, 15 juin 2012 - 03:33 .

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dreman9999 wrote...

That still doesn't change the intentions for what BW has for the story. Just like lotsb, if you didn't do it, the results of the plot still happens IN me3. If they intended for Shepard to be indoctronated from that mission, they will still have an indoctrinated Shepard in the plot but from another means..

So Shepard will be indoctrinated because of the events of Arrival even if s/he wasn't there?

And like I said before, if you didn't do Arrival, there is much doubt Shepard will have a chance to be indoctrinated. 

Arrival not having a canon for who did the events- problomatic.

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dreman9999 wrote...

And if bw intended SHEPARD to be indoctrinated, it will still happen where they did arrival or not.

There is barley sense to the ending now. If IT is true because of the events of Arrival, should the people that didn't do the DLC just "live with it"? Just accept the unsense? 

Isn't the IT suppose to make some sense from the whole messed up ending?

[llbountyhunter]

mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

It's a fanfic... saying that you don't like fanfiction doesn't change nothing.

.....dont read much do you?

I don't need to, "IT" isn't official and is fanmade, hence fan-fiction.

Evolution isnt offical, niether is gravity, quanyom mechanics, or any scientific breaktgrough..... so you dont believe in those either? Are they "fiction" as well?

The scientific method was used to come to a conclusion, therfore IT is a theory.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 15 juin 2012 - 03:45 .

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And if bw intended SHEPARD to be indoctrinated, it will still happen where they did arrival or not.

There is barley sense to the ending now. If IT is true because of the events of Arrival, should the people that didn't do the DLC just "live with it"? Just accept the unsense? 

Isn't the IT suppose to make some sense from the whole messed up ending?

Should the people who didnt do kasumi, javik, or any other dlc "just live with it"?

These are critical to elements of the story. Arrival wa ctritiacl to the ending.

Your argument holds no water.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

Should the people who didnt do kasumi, javik, or any other dlc "just live with it"?

These are critical to elements of the story. Arrival wa ctritiacl to the ending.

Your argument holds no water.

Did people that didn't have Javik, Kasumi or Zaeed ever got them, or ever saw them in ME3? No.

And that is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't have the DLC, you don't get what's in it later on. And you see none of them had a huge part in the game. Sure, they talked with you, but they weren't as crucial as, let's say, Liara. Or Kaidan and Ashley in the first half of ME3.

Thus, Shepard doing the events of Arrival cannot be so imporant.  


My argument hold a lot of water.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 15 juin 2012 - 03:55 .

[Erield]

Kasumi and Zaeed aren't critical at all. They don't add much to the story, certainly nothing major or important. Javik...well, I'd say what he adds is major, but not critical. The story still makes sense without him.

[llbountyhunter]

Erield wrote...

Kasumi and Zaeed aren't critical at all. They don't add much to the story, certainly nothing major or important. Javik...well, I'd say what he adds is major, but not critical. The story still makes sense without him.

And by the same token shepard has been in contact wih hundred of other reaper artifact.

The situation is the same with all the DLC: makes more sense if you have it, but you can understand the story without it.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 15 juin 2012 - 04:00 .

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And if bw intended SHEPARD to be indoctrinated, it will still happen where they did arrival or not.

There is barley sense to the ending now. If IT is true because of the events of Arrival, should the people that didn't do the DLC just "live with it"? Just accept the unsense? 

Isn't the IT suppose to make some sense from the whole messed up ending?

1.If your Shepard didn't do arrival, then you have the 3 years of on and off contact with reaper tech that whould indoctrintion him...This is the billionth time this has been said.

2. Also, note that TIM is controling Shepard and Anderson with indoctrination at the end of the game...That's the base line of the theory.

[dreman9999]

llbountyhunter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

It's a fanfic... saying that you don't like fanfiction doesn't change nothing.

.....dont read much do you?

I don't need to, "IT" isn't official and is fanmade, hence fan-fiction.

Evolution isnt offical, niether is gravity, quanyom mechanics, or any scientific breaktgrough..... so you dont believe in those either? Are they "fiction" as well?

The scientific method was used to come to a conclusion, therfore IT is a theory.

gravity is a law not a theory.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 juin 2012 - 04:00 .

[SubAstris]

dreman9999 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

You can view it as Bioware's idea if you wish, however it is fanfiction - like it or not.
Bioware's plan was not a dream sequence, but for you to lose control of Shepard. Sadly, this obviously didn't work too well [Likely because you're not in control of Shepard for 90% of the cutscenes anyway, so they can't take your ability to choose what Shepard says away after its already been taken] and they abandoned it.
IT as it currently is is fan fiction based off numerous small bits and pieces from ME3 that just so happen to fit together to make a theory. Half of them aren't even valid ["Dream plants" anyone?].
Bioware have made it abundantly clear that IT was not their plan, and the only way you can defend against this is the "They want it to be a surprise" line - which makes no sense considering the surprise is already 100% ruined thanks to the 500000 threads on IT in these forums.

incorrect. IT is a theory, if has plenty of evidence backing it up. fanfic does not.

this is like calling evolution, fanatic fiction. 

Really don't compare the evidence for IT to that for evolution

Sorry, Point to the solid proof of evolution please.

What?

[dreman9999]

SubAstris wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

You can view it as Bioware's idea if you wish, however it is fanfiction - like it or not.
Bioware's plan was not a dream sequence, but for you to lose control of Shepard. Sadly, this obviously didn't work too well [Likely because you're not in control of Shepard for 90% of the cutscenes anyway, so they can't take your ability to choose what Shepard says away after its already been taken] and they abandoned it.
IT as it currently is is fan fiction based off numerous small bits and pieces from ME3 that just so happen to fit together to make a theory. Half of them aren't even valid ["Dream plants" anyone?].
Bioware have made it abundantly clear that IT was not their plan, and the only way you can defend against this is the "They want it to be a surprise" line - which makes no sense considering the surprise is already 100% ruined thanks to the 500000 threads on IT in these forums.

incorrect. IT is a theory, if has plenty of evidence backing it up. fanfic does not.

this is like calling evolution, fanatic fiction. 

Really don't compare the evidence for IT to that for evolution

Sorry, Point to the solid proof of evolution please.

What?

This has to be explined? Do you know the difference between a theory and a law in science?

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llbountyhunter wrote...


And bt the same token shepard has been in contact wih hundred of other reaper artifact.

The situation is the same with all the DLC: makes more sense if you have it, but you can understand the story without it.

There is a difference. If you don't have Kasumi DLC, BioWare can't just bring her in the game, and act like she knows Shepard. Because she does not.

Shepard can't be indoctrinated because the events of Arrival if s/he wan't there.

[llbountyhunter]

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 15 juin 2012 - 04:02 .

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


And bt the same token shepard has been in contact wih hundred of other reaper artifact.

The situation is the same with all the DLC: makes more sense if you have it, but you can understand the story without it.

There is a difference. If you don't have Kasumi DLC, BioWare can't just bring her in the game, and act like she knows Shepard. Because she does not.

Shepard can't be indoctrinated because the events of Arrival if s/he wan't there.

but the kasumi mission still happens in me3.

Shepard still ends up indoctrinated in me3.

Just stop. Please. Stop.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 15 juin 2012 - 04:04 .

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dreman9999 wrote...

1.If your Shepard didn't do arrival, then you have the 3 years of on and off contact with reaper tech that whould indoctrintion him...This is the billionth time this has been said.

2. Also, note that TIM is controling Shepard and Anderson with indoctrination at the end of the game...That's the base line of the theory.

1. And like I said, it's too argueable. We never met any peson who was indoctrinated because of being for a short time near reaper devices, no matter how many. We NEVER met.

2. Note that TIM said he found a way to indoctrinate people by himself. 

And also note that if Anderson is indoc, it means that every soldier on Earth is also.