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[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.If your Shepard didn't do arrival, then you have the 3 years of on and off contact with reaper tech that whould indoctrintion him...This is the billionth time this has been said.

2. Also, note that TIM is controling Shepard and Anderson with indoctrination at the end of the game...That's the base line of the theory.

1. And like I said, it's too argueable. We never met any peson who was indoctrinated because of being for a short time near reaper devices, no matter how many. We NEVER met.

2. Note that TIM said he found a way to indoctrinate people by himself. 

And also note that if Anderson is indoc, it means that every soldier on Earth is also.

1. your right... hes had reaper influnce. of course hes not indoctrinated yet. Thats the point of IT.

2. Shepard and anderson do not have reaper implants, so TIM shouldnt be able to contrpl them

? he was talking about the final events that happen in shepards mind.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 15 juin 2012 - 04:09 .

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...

but the kasumi mission still happens in me3.

Shepard still ends up indoctrinated in me3.

Just stop. Please. Stop.

Kasumi only happens if you got the DLC. 

Shepard can only end up indoc if you have the DLC. And the DLC can't be so important for the ending, since not everybody have it.

If you don't have an answer, then simply say you don't have an answer. Don't tell me to stop when there is no reason I should.  

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...


? he was talking about the final events that happen in shepards mind.

Then sorry for the confusion.

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

but the kasumi mission still happens in me3.

Shepard still ends up indoctrinated in me3.

Just stop. Please. Stop.

Kasumi only happens if you got the DLC. 

Shepard can only end up indoc if you have the DLC. And the DLC can't be so important for the ending, since not everybody have it.

If you don't have an answer, then simply say you don't have an answer. Don't tell me to stop when there is no reason I should.  

I did not get kasumi, and yet her mission still happened, though wih a different character.


Another cannon.

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.If your Shepard didn't do arrival, then you have the 3 years of on and off contact with reaper tech that whould indoctrintion him...This is the billionth time this has been said.

2. Also, note that TIM is controling Shepard and Anderson with indoctrination at the end of the game...That's the base line of the theory.

1. And like I said, it's too argueable. We never met any peson who was indoctrinated because of being for a short time near reaper devices, no matter how many. We NEVER met.

2. Note that TIM said he found a way to indoctrinate people by himself. 

And also note that if Anderson is indoc, it means that every soldier on Earth is also.

1.If Shepard only been near reaper tech once in the entire seris you can say that, but he has been near reaper teach way more then once. Every time he is in a indoctrination wave, the indoctriantion attepts to effect his brian. Everytime he goes into an indoctriantion feild, the indoctriantion attempt contious off when the last attept stopped. How is this hard to understand?
2.TIM implated people with reaper tech and control them with indoctriantion...Then he learn how to use the same tech to control hush. TIM has no power to control anyone who are not indoctrinated.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 juin 2012 - 04:16 .

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

but the kasumi mission still happens in me3.

Shepard still ends up indoctrinated in me3.

Just stop. Please. Stop.

Kasumi only happens if you got the DLC. 

Shepard can only end up indoc if you have the DLC. And the DLC can't be so important for the ending, since not everybody have it.

If you don't have an answer, then simply say you don't have an answer. Don't tell me to stop when there is no reason I should.  

Youstill have 3 year of on and off contact that can indoctriant him.

[jijeebo]

llbountyhunter wrote...



I did not get kasumi, and yet her mission still happened, though wih a different character.


Another cannon.

All you've established is that Kasumi (the DLC) isn't canon because the mission happens regardless of her presence... Which is exactly what happens with Arrival.


The same events occur if you didn't buy the DLC... But different characters do them.

[llbountyhunter]

jijeebo wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...



I did not get kasumi, and yet her mission still happened, though wih a different character.


Another cannon.

All you've established is that Kasumi (the DLC) isn't canon because the mission happens regardless of her presence... Which is exactly what happens with Arrival.


The same events occur if you didn't buy the DLC... But different characters do them.

Thank you for indirectly  proving my point.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 15 juin 2012 - 04:19 .

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llbountyhunter wrote...

I did not get kasumi, and yet her mission still happened, though wih a different character.

Another cannon.

Technactly you got minos a character. The spectre is there regardless.

We don't know if Shepard can be indoctrinated from short periouds of times through reaper tech. No one in the game did before. So until we get a clear answer wether it's possible you can only speculate, the IT is on a huge question mark, like it or not. And if the person that did Arrival is not canon, you cannot base the IT on Shepard being there.

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I did not get kasumi, and yet her mission still happened, though wih a different character.

Another cannon.

Technactly you got minos a character. The spectre is there regardless.

We don't know if Shepard can be indoctrinated from short periouds of times through reaper tech. No one in the game did before. So until we get a clear answer wether it's possible you can only speculate, the IT is on a huge question mark, like it or not. And if the person that did Arrival is not canon, you cannot base the IT on Shepard being there.

Shepard DIDNT get indoctrinated by all that reaper tech. Thats not what IT states. you just get reaper influence.

You making a argument that isnt there.

[jijeebo]

llbountyhunter wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...



I did not get kasumi, and yet her mission still happened, though wih a different character.


Another cannon.

All you've established is that Kasumi (the DLC) isn't canon because the mission happens regardless of her presence... Which is exactly what happens with Arrival.


The same events occur if you didn't buy the DLC... But different characters do them.

Thank you for indirectly  proving my point.

I didn't realise you were trying to show that Shepard doing Arrival wasn't canon... So I guess I'm glad I could help.

[llbountyhunter]

jijeebo wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...



I did not get kasumi, and yet her mission still happened, though wih a different character.


Another cannon.

All you've established is that Kasumi (the DLC) isn't canon because the mission happens regardless of her presence... Which is exactly what happens with Arrival.


The same events occur if you didn't buy the DLC... But different characters do them.

Thank you for indirectly  proving my point.

I didn't realise you were trying to show that Shepard doing Arrival wasn't canon... So I guess I'm glad I could help.

I was trying to show that the events happen regardless.

Thanks!

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.If Shepard only been near reaper tech once in the entire seris you can say that, but he has been near reaper teach way more then once. Every time he is in a indoctrination wave, the indoctriantion attepts to effect his brian. Everytime he goes into an indoctriantion feild, the indoctriantion attempt contious off when the last attept stopped. How is this hard to understand?
2.TIM implated people with reaper tech and control them with indoctriantion...Then he learn how to use the same tech to control hush. TIM has no power to control anyone who are not indoctrinated.

1. Again, we don't know if it's possible for Shepard to be indoc from numorous short periods of times near reaper tech. No one did before, the only thing you can do is speculate. And you can't make a speculation into an evidence.

2. Oh, no? He got his agents to be indoctrinated to him.

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Shepard DIDNT get indoctrinated by all that reaper tech. Thats not what IT states. you just get reaper influence.

You making a argument that isnt there.

And again, we never had anyone in the entire trilogy to have that. Rana had a subtle Indoc, but even she was near a specific reaper tech for a long period of time. Shepard wasn't

[jijeebo]

llbountyhunter wrote...


I was trying to show that the events happen regardless.

Thanks!

No problem.

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Shepard DIDNT get indoctrinated by all that reaper tech. Thats not what IT states. you just get reaper influence.

You making a argument that isnt there.

And again, we never had anyone in the entire trilogy to have that. Rana had a subtle Indoc, but even she was near a specific reaper tech for a long period of time. Shepard wasn't

TIM. Possibly...

And shepard has been noted to be reamrkably strong willed.


And its even more ridiculus to say that reaper artifacts shepards been around just magically ignored him.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 15 juin 2012 - 04:34 .

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...

TIM. Possibly...

And shepard has been noted to be reamrkably strong willed.


And its even more ridiculus to say that reaper artifacts shepards been around just magically ignored him.

The tech that TIM was affeceted to was special. Shepard didn't have those kinds of things.

So did Saren. He was also one tough guy.

Who's to say they ignored him/her? Shepard was simply not enough time for the tech to do something to her.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 15 juin 2012 - 04:38 .

[KingZayd]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I did not get kasumi, and yet her mission still happened, though wih a different character.

Another cannon.

Technactly you got minos a character. The spectre is there regardless.

We don't know if Shepard can be indoctrinated from short periouds of times through reaper tech. No one in the game did before. So until we get a clear answer wether it's possible you can only speculate, the IT is on a huge question mark, like it or not. And if the person that did Arrival is not canon, you cannot base the IT on Shepard being there.

No,  but we can take the understanding that Object Rho was put there for a reason (IMO to hint at Shepard becoming indoctrinated in the future) and we would expect Shepards who did have Object Rho activate on them to become indoctrinated, unless there was an explanation as to why he didn't. Besides have you honestly never wondered why Shepard has never been indoctrinated? Even fast indoctrination would STOP him at the very least.. even if it turned him into a mindless husk.

[KingZayd]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I did not get kasumi, and yet her mission still happened, though wih a different character.

Another cannon.

Technactly you got minos a character. The spectre is there regardless.

We don't know if Shepard can be indoctrinated from short periouds of times through reaper tech. No one in the game did before. So until we get a clear answer wether it's possible you can only speculate, the IT is on a huge question mark, like it or not. And if the person that did Arrival is not canon, you cannot base the IT on Shepard being there.

Shepard DIDNT get indoctrinated by all that reaper tech. Thats not what IT states. you just get reaper influence.

You making a argument that isnt there.

False.. Some people (myself included) would classify the reaper influence as indoctrination. There isn't just indoctrinated and not indoctrinated, there's a scale.

[llbountyhunter]

KingZayd wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I did not get kasumi, and yet her mission still happened, though wih a different character.

Another cannon.

Technactly you got minos a character. The spectre is there regardless.

We don't know if Shepard can be indoctrinated from short periouds of times through reaper tech. No one in the game did before. So until we get a clear answer wether it's possible you can only speculate, the IT is on a huge question mark, like it or not. And if the person that did Arrival is not canon, you cannot base the IT on Shepard being there.

Shepard DIDNT get indoctrinated by all that reaper tech. Thats not what IT states. you just get reaper influence.

You making a argument that isnt there.

False.. Some people (myself included) would classify the reaper influence as indoctrination. There isn't just indoctrinated and not indoctrinated, there's a scale.

False. Paul grayson resisted the effects of indoctrination, for a very long time, and would of resisted loger had he not been ingected with red sand.

Read the ME books

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 15 juin 2012 - 04:44 .

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

TIM. Possibly...

And shepard has been noted to be reamrkably strong willed.


And its even more ridiculus to say that reaper artifacts shepards been around just magically ignored him.

The tech that TIM was affeceted to was special. Shepard didn't have those kinds of things.

So did Saren. He was also one tough guy.

Who's to say they ignored him/her? Shepard was simply not enough time for the tech to do something to her.

So your saying shepard resisted right?

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.If Shepard only been near reaper tech once in the entire seris you can say that, but he has been near reaper teach way more then once. Every time he is in a indoctrination wave, the indoctriantion attepts to effect his brian. Everytime he goes into an indoctriantion feild, the indoctriantion attempt contious off when the last attept stopped. How is this hard to understand?
2.TIM implated people with reaper tech and control them with indoctriantion...Then he learn how to use the same tech to control hush. TIM has no power to control anyone who are not indoctrinated.

1. Again, we don't know if it's possible for Shepard to be indoc from numorous short periods of times near reaper tech. No one did before, the only thing you can do is speculate. And you can't make a speculation into an evidence.

2. Oh, no? He got his agents to be indoctrinated to him.

1.Yes, we do. That's how Saren and Rana got indoctrianted. On and of contact can indoctrinate people.
2....By implanting the with reaper tech. Is stated in the cerberus base.

[KingZayd]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.If Shepard only been near reaper tech once in the entire seris you can say that, but he has been near reaper teach way more then once. Every time he is in a indoctrination wave, the indoctriantion attepts to effect his brian. Everytime he goes into an indoctriantion feild, the indoctriantion attempt contious off when the last attept stopped. How is this hard to understand?
2.TIM implated people with reaper tech and control them with indoctriantion...Then he learn how to use the same tech to control hush. TIM has no power to control anyone who are not indoctrinated.

1. Again, we don't know if it's possible for Shepard to be indoc from numorous short periods of times near reaper tech. No one did before, the only thing you can do is speculate. And you can't make a speculation into an evidence.

2. Oh, no? He got his agents to be indoctrinated to him.

1. We have no information about how long it takes for indoctrination to begin. So it's certainly plausible. I'm not saying IT is definitely true, but it works, so it CAN be true. Yes, it's speculation.. but it's valid speculation.

[Ageless Face]

KingZayd wrote...


No,  but we can take the understanding that Object Rho was put there for a reason (IMO to hint at Shepard becoming indoctrinated in the future) and we would expect Shepards who did have Object Rho activate on them to become indoctrinated, unless there was an explanation as to why he didn't. Besides have you honestly never wondered why Shepard has never been indoctrinated? Even fast indoctrination would STOP him at the very least.. even if it turned him into a mindless husk.

Well sure, if Shepard doing Arrival is canon no matter what. But since s/he doesn't, Shepard can't be indoc from this specific situation.

And I can honestly say I never wondred why Shepard was never indoc before I read about the IT.

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

TIM. Possibly...

And shepard has been noted to be reamrkably strong willed.


And its even more ridiculus to say that reaper artifacts shepards been around just magically ignored him.

The tech that TIM was affeceted to was special. Shepard didn't have those kinds of things.

So did Saren. He was also one tough guy.

Who's to say they ignored him/her? Shepard was simply not enough time for the tech to do something to her.

If you want to countinue...Point to me when TIM used it on Someone who had no contact with reaper tech or was not indoctrianted.