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[krukow]

I love the game, but hate the ending. Just the ending. So much else was so well done.

And then the ending is like a critical mission failure.

[Zardoc]

ME3 is a nice game with a few strong moments scattered between the pretty mediocre rest. The ending didn't help matters.

[Erield]

Hackulator wrote...

...or is it just a vocal internet minority? Me and the majority of my real life friends LOVED the game. Although we all agree the ending was weak and needed a rewrite, overall we thought ME3 was amazing, possibly one of the best games we ever played. Included in this group of friends are 2 writers and designers for tabletop RPGs (myself and a friend, published), one video game designer with a Master's Degree in Entertainment Technology, a number of programmers and developers, and a fair number of people who have nothing to do with the gaming industry.

This suggests to me that perhaps this game is not nearly as hated as it seems, rather that the million people who loved the game felt no need to come on the internet and complain about it. Obviously this is a terrible place to ask this question if I hope to get a real answer, but it was still something I wanted to put out there and see what people had to say.

I loved the game.  The majority of my RL friends loved the game.  We all agree the ending was spectacularly bad and without a re-write ruins the replay value of the entire franchise.  If you actually paid attention to rather significant number of posts, by FAR what people have problems with are the endings.  You specifically say that you felt they need, not could use but need a re-write.  What seems to be the conflict between your own experience/viewpoint and that of the so-called "vocal internet minority"?  Oh, yeah--your condescension.

[N7-RedFox]

Hackulator wrote...

...or is it just a vocal internet minority? Me and the majority of my real life friends LOVED the game. Although we all agree the ending was weak and needed a rewrite, overall we thought ME3 was amazing, possibly one of the best games we ever played. Included in this group of friends are 2 writers and designers for tabletop RPGs (myself and a friend, published), one video game designer with a Master's Degree in Entertainment Technology, a number of programmers and developers, and a fair number of people who have nothing to do with the gaming industry.

This suggests to me that perhaps this game is not nearly as hated as it seems, rather that the million people who loved the game felt no need to come on the internet and complain about it. Obviously this is a terrible place to ask this question if I hope to get a real answer, but it was still something I wanted to put out there and see what people had to say.

I only hate the ending because it didn't take any of my past choices into consideration

[Siibi]

I loved the game, it's the ending I have a problem with...

[o Ventus]

The intro was retarded. Fun to play and theatrically entertaining, but intellectually retarded on every level.

Tuchanka was awesome. Rannoch was... Less awesome. Still good, just not as good as Tuchanka. Everything after that felt like they had run out of money and had to cut as many corners as possible.

The ending was... Well, the ending. The end of me ever touching something with Casey Hudon and Mac Walters' names on it. The veritable end of this series. The end of my overall faith in Bioware.

If it wasn't for the OOC character stupid, the complete and utter sidelining of the ME2 cast (save Mordin and Legion), the autodialogue, and the jarring inconsistencies, and this game might actually be in my top 5.

Modifié par o Ventus, 13 juin 2012 - 01:48 .

[NeecHMonkeY]

I thought it was a great game... just not a very good Mass Effect game.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Ending was bad but didn't ruin the game for me.

In the end I go: ME1 > ME3 > ME2.

[frostajulie]

hate anger a natural response to betrayal I would say.

[GreyLycanTrope]

It had flaws and was for from perfect but I did enjoy the hell out of ME3. The end however ruined the experience and left a bitter memory. I love Mass Effect, I wouldn't be here if I hated it. Something just went very wrong with it's conclusion.

[jokey javik]

I both previous games you had a goal and you accomplished it you beat the geth sovereign and saren okay there is your mission you accomplish it me2 stop collectors and keep your team and crew alive, okay check me3 stop reapers tall order maybe I can do this without losing any former squad mates no mordin legion and thane die okay all touching but in some way ems should have determined if they live or die or prior actions like completing loyalty missions this was done for other characters and shows impact on the story.

galaxy is turned into two percent milk when me1 was whole milk exploration feels pointless in this game when there are no missions you come across even from planet scanning so one key element of the game removed there.


As for the ending someone out on the forum already listed why I don't like it but I will add this remember in me1 and two where you could finish all the side quests after beating the game.

[WARMACHINE9]

Love the game hate the ending. THE ENDING MUST DIE!!!!!!

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I don't hate ME3. I hate what Walters and Hudson did to it in the last 10 minutes.

As the game stands with that ending, it is not in my top 10 games. I go by how much time I've spent playing the game.

Unless the EC makes some significant "clarification" to the ending, the game will not enter my top 10. If it does, it could enter my top 10. Right now I'm just dropping Arrival from ME2, and calling ME2 the end of the series.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 13 juin 2012 - 02:02 .

[Jadebaby]

You know what, im going to do this without mentioning the ending.

ME3 was okay as a stand alone game but as a third installment in a series it wasn't on par with the other two.
It lacked choices, the lip-synching actually took a step back from ME2 and there wasn't enough side quests/exploring to do. Also, some of the dialog was just plain dumb.

tl;dr.. Ending aside, no I don't hate ME3. I just believe it was the worst of the three, which really sucks because I wanted to enjoy it more than the other two, and I don't think making an extended ending will make it better than the other two.

The only way ME3 got better was combat. I don't play rpgs for the combat.

[Taboo]

Everything was fine up until the end.

It needs some work.

[Soulstice88]

I like the game, mostly for Tuchanka/Rannoch, and a handful of playable side-quests (Grissom). I think the armor/weapon selection is the best so far.

I really disliked the end because it was too ambiguous. A few other smaller things (cut back in dialogue you actually take part in and the focus of horde style combat they went with) I didn't like but those could've been overlooked if the ending was satisfying for me.

Modifié par Soulstice88, 13 juin 2012 - 02:03 .

[Jadebaby]

jokey javik wrote...

As for the ending someone out on the forum already listed why I don't like it but I will add this remember in me1 and two where you could finish all the side quests after beating the game.

You could finish the side quests in ME1 after doing the last mission?

Also, the reason you can't do this in ME3 is because there is no side quests in ME3! Oh yea... And you're dead of course.

[Jadebaby]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Everything was fine up until the end.

It needs some work.

So you were fine not having Miranda as a squadmate?

[Taboo]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Everything was fine up until the end.

It needs some work.

So you were fine not having Miranda as a squadmate?

It would have been nice but the moments in which I did see her were all the more powerful.

I'm willing to compromise if Bioware is.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

ME3 might have been fun but I still hate it as it pretty much destroyed the Mass Effect Universe.

[Ug Smash]

No, I don't hate ME 3. I hate its ending though.

[VibrantYacht]

jedsithor wrote...

I thought ME3 was great until the ending. The problem is, the ending made me not want to play any of the Mass Effect games anymore and since the EC isn't going to solve the major logic flaw of the game, I think it's time I stopped hoping and traded in the games.

It would be so much easier to hate the game, believe me.

Pretty much this.
I think if you look at the game from a purely technical standpoint you can see why it got such high ratings from the critics. However, judging it as a Mass Effect game... it is... not good to say the least. Somehow the story managed to get weaker from ME2 (I felt ME2 was just an entire detour when I played through it which is why I was excited to get back on the main road with ME3... which ended up as a loosley woven tale), RPGness was diminished further, and the target audience shifted to... basically everyone but the fans.
Like the person I quoted I think, realistically, the EC can't do much and I should stop having this unrealistic hope.

[Deihjan]

Easily the best game I've played in newer time.
It's gorgeous, well-written (if we ignore the fact that the head writer of the first two games quit to focus on his own projects) and with more-or-less minor bugs that didn't interfere with my game-experience.
Let's ignore the fact that Kai Leng was introduced, because he's easily the only massive flaw in the entire game until London.
Let's ignore the whole rushed 'damage' control by changing the end - I didn't know about this until after me and a friend had finished the game and she informed me why the ending was so....unsatisfying.

What started bugging me immensely, and has only intensified with further replay of the singleplayer game, was the weak story behind Sanctuary and the whole Miranda Lawson arc I thought I finished in ME2. I warmed up to Miranda after her Loyalty mission, but having to deal with her sister Oriana again felt annoying and forced after what you went through prior to the suicide mission.
I'm on my third playthrough of ME3 (yeah, silly, I know...I'm doing it for Kaidan, okay! ) and I still can't quite 'mend' the lack of explanation with my own imagination and head-canon tinkering.

But what really has left me feeling hollow and weirded out is still the Godchild 'Catalyst' on the bloody Citadel. It makes no sense that an AI is what they were missing to eradicate the Reapers. It makes no sense that an AI created synthetics to eradicate synthetics every 50.000 years, to prevent organics from eventually wiping themselves out, because SYNTHETICS.

I would have been fine with an explanation a la - "Hey, Shepard, you've been traveling the entire Galaxy in search of this tiny piece of metal/mineral that fits perfectly into this hole/shape/hoodinghy that was carefully planned out by several other great civilisations before the protheans, let alone your own that is currently trying to finish this massive project, this unobtanium that will fix EVERYTHING. You just need to kill yourself for it to be released from this massive deathtrap so Garrus, Kaidan, Ashley, Tali, Liara and EVERYONE ELSE will live happily ever after."

I want to, so bad, believe that Bioware will fix the problems left open from Sanctuary, Cerberus HQ (because that spacestation doesn't need a cool name, imo) and London, but I'm afraid my little fangirl heart can't take being crushed if they keep going with the Catalyst being a godchild.

I..uh..I'll go back to whining to myself over this :c

[Ansible]

Xellith wrote...

I thought a lot of the game was dumb.

Yep. I knew form the minute I started playing it was my least favorite of the 3. And as I progressed, I just started disliking it more and more.

The writing, the cheesy plot, the treatment on ME2 characters (although, I should have seen this coming. What did I expect them to do?) And really the ending just topped it off at that point.

The ending is probably a smaller complaint I have, compared to an overall lazy and unfocused plot.

[Memnon]

What I disliked about ME3 was that from the beginning - on Mars - where you discover the plans to this superweapon, I knew that it was going to be that old crutch, the deus ex machina. It was telegraphed from the beginning, basically screaming at you after each mission telling you that it was coming, yet when it was revealed it was a hundred times worse than I was predicting or imagining. When a game is good, you can forgive plot holes and contrivances ... this, however ...