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[FlamingBoy]

pmac_tk421 wrote...

1. The voice acting is simple, but that doesn't necisarily mean its bad.
2 and 3. Were you listening when they announced the EC. They explicitly said thats what it was.
This is coming from someone who liked the ending, so go ahead and hate on me if you want.

1. yeah and simple doesn't mean that it is good
2. yeah and statements from bioware as we all know could mean anything (i believe i made another topic on this subject) now we have them stating it again

thats fantastic that you liked the ending
here I will give you a smiley face:)

[AdamJenson]

DaJe wrote...

I find it funny how she thinks the problem with the ending is that Shepard dies. She calls it "too realistic". Oh the irony. If only she knew what actually happened.

That's the problem with speaking NOT from experience.  She's so busy that even if she played she would probably have no time to actually PLAY (pay attention).  

"Too realistic".  HAH.  Nothing is realistic about having to die to control a bunch of bots.  NO ONE DIES to control ANYTHING anywhere because 1) it isn't necessary, and 2) if you are dead you control nothing, not even your rotting corpse.  Because you're DEAD.

Nothing realistic about having to disintegrate yourself (commit suicide) to create some patently IMPOSSIBLE mix-and-match between organic and synthetic via some IMPOSSIBLE 'new form of DNA' (no such thing in this univese or any other).  There is no logical or realistic mechanism to require such a suicide.

Nothing realistic about marching steadfastly TOWARDS a thing you are intent on blowing up.  That is plain crazy suicidal lunacy.  Who does that?!  No one with a stable brain in their skull.

[iSousek]

On the side note : She can't say anything other than what she said considering the ending, the same way other voice actors also can't, did not and will not.

Plus, she didn't play the game so its ridiculous to attack her as if she tried to say 'yes the RGB endings are quite good and realistic.'

[digby69]

Its as we all feared.

Oh well I'm sure there will be plenty more good games to play in the future just not from BW.

As the old saying goes "nothing lasts for ever"

[sparkyo42]

Tazzmission wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

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tell me again smart guy so far how much money have you given bioware for the dlc packs we already got?


if your keeping track its not a single penny and you know it. if people are stupid enough to spend real money knowing what the store is for the unlock packs thats on you and not bioware because you damn well know you can use in game currency and you choose the lazy way to do things.



provide me a link where bioware stated the extend cut will be priced. seriously show me since you have all the answers

the whole wallet argument is invalid and you know it

Pretty sure the only reason they have given out any free DLC at all is because of all of the hate on the game, the free DLC being free was simply a damage control thing. I am also pretty sure that people paid $10 for the day one DLC, which a lot of was already on the disc. 

cant deny though they didnt have to give it away for free hell they couldve became activision 2.0 and charged 15 bucks a pop per mp pack but they didnt

hell they didnt even have to ackwoledge anything regarding the ending and yet here comes a free dlc exclusivley for it

im no butt kisser and this may make me one but the devs have alot of thick skin because to take so much verbal abuse and give stuff away for free tells you they are at least trying to make up for it

i really wish more people would see that because they have this attitude and 110% of the time assume its all a lie or fib or ea just bought bioware to destroy it for laughs and giggles.

The fact is though that they aren't doing the EC because most didn't like the end. They're doing it because they looked at the numbers and figured that SP DLC wouldn't work given the reaction and that this was the only acceptable way (to them) to try and fix it so that the future DLC would be cost affective. Its got nothing to do about how people have abused them (which I agree has been completely out of order)

I don't think they're lying or that they or EA wanted this but I do wish others would recognise this is just purely financial decision to try and make regain enough interest to release DLC that they can make us pay for. Nobody outside of the Mods are paying any attention to BSN and won't till long after ME 3 is finished one way or the other.

[MattFini]

sparkyo42 wrote...

The fact is though that they aren't doing the EC because most didn't like the end. They're doing it because they looked at the numbers and figured that SP DLC wouldn't work given the reaction and that this was the only acceptable way (to them) to try and fix it so that the future DLC would be cost affective. Its got nothing to do about how people have abused them (which I agree has been completely out of order)

I don't think they're lying or that they or EA wanted this but I do wish others would recognise this is just purely financial decision to try and make regain enough interest to release DLC that they can make us pay for. Nobody outside of the Mods are paying any attention to BSN and won't till long after ME 3 is finished one way or the other.

They're welcome to expect monetary support from me in the future if the Extended Cut is just the same old crap.  

Doesn't mean it's going to happen.  Omega DLC could be the best thing in the world, but I'll never know if the game still ends with my idiot Shepard willingly walking into an explosion.  

[AdamJenson]

MattFini wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

The fact is though that they aren't doing the EC because most didn't like the end. They're doing it because they looked at the numbers and figured that SP DLC wouldn't work given the reaction and that this was the only acceptable way (to them) to try and fix it so that the future DLC would be cost affective. Its got nothing to do about how people have abused them (which I agree has been completely out of order)

I don't think they're lying or that they or EA wanted this but I do wish others would recognise this is just purely financial decision to try and make regain enough interest to release DLC that they can make us pay for. Nobody outside of the Mods are paying any attention to BSN and won't till long after ME 3 is finished one way or the other.

They're welcome to expect monetary support from me in the future if the Extended Cut is just the same old crap.  

Doesn't mean it's going to happen.  Omega DLC could be the best thing in the world, but I'll never know if the game still ends with my idiot Shepard willingly walking into an explosion.  

In Shepard's defense, he WAS high on "bath salts".  If he could have gotten hold of the kid he would have eaten his face off.  He couldn't chow down so he did the next best thing, march INTO an exploding pipe.  

You would do that too if you were nuts on bath salts.

[MattFini]

^ A+

[Iakus]

iSousek wrote...

On the side note : She can't say anything other than what she said considering the ending, the same way other voice actors also can't, did not and will not.

Plus, she didn't play the game so its ridiculous to attack her as if she tried to say 'yes the RGB endings are quite good and realistic.'

All good points.

[sparkyo42]

MattFini wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

The fact is though that they aren't doing the EC because most didn't like the end. They're doing it because they looked at the numbers and figured that SP DLC wouldn't work given the reaction and that this was the only acceptable way (to them) to try and fix it so that the future DLC would be cost affective. Its got nothing to do about how people have abused them (which I agree has been completely out of order)

I don't think they're lying or that they or EA wanted this but I do wish others would recognise this is just purely financial decision to try and make regain enough interest to release DLC that they can make us pay for. Nobody outside of the Mods are paying any attention to BSN and won't till long after ME 3 is finished one way or the other.

They're welcome to expect monetary support from me in the future if the Extended Cut is just the same old crap.  

Doesn't mean it's going to happen.  Omega DLC could be the best thing in the world, but I'll never know if the game still ends with my idiot Shepard willingly walking into an explosion.  

I fully agree with you that's been my reaction to everyone saying that they want Omega and it's terrible that they haven't gotten it yet. I just meant that it was a business decision to use the EC to try and correct the feelings in the fanbase, it had nothing to do with the Team or EA upset about the reaction or even the insults (which as I said have been out of order).

Personally I think ME3 is going to whimper out like DA2 and I'm not really upset by that.

[MegaBadExample]

The horror!

Well... my hopes are crushed lol?

Simple is baaaaaaaaaad

[abaris]

sparkyo42 wrote...


Personally I think ME3 is going to whimper out like DA2 and I'm not really upset by that.

Personally I think they will make a nice little dollar with microtransactions and apps. I don't think they're that interested in supporting single player.

So they probably will exploit the MP crowd and the app madness as long as it lasts.

[sparkyo42]

abaris wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...


Personally I think ME3 is going to whimper out like DA2 and I'm not really upset by that.

Personally I think they will make a nice little dollar with microtransactions and apps. I don't think they're that interested in supporting single player.

So they probably will exploit the MP crowd and the app madness as long as it lasts.

Good point I don't do any MP so I didn't count that. I meant the idea of SP DLC.

Your point however has reminded me that DA3 will have MP as well so may be even weaker than DA2

[abaris]

sparkyo42 wrote...


Your point however has reminded me that DA3 will have MP as well so may be even weaker than DA2

Of that I'm quite certain.

They've made a complete U turn and right now I can't imagine being interested by any of their future games. Nothing as dramatic as claiming never to buy again, but right now it doesn't look that way.

[streamlock]

Well, the OP said it. Bioware is doing exactly what they said they were going to do.

That being said, don't underestimate the writers at EAWare. They know the ending is an non-salvageable mess and will get very very creative with the EC.

As in, they are going to try to really pull on the strings of everyone's attachment to squad-mates in an attempt to distract, deflect, and gloss over the horribly contrived foundations of the ending.

Don't be surprised if they pull out the little blue baby card. They are probably that desperate at this point. (Oh how the forums are going to a lite with the viscous defense of the EC from people ignorant enough to fall for it if they pull it-sad sad sad)

[EpicBoot2daFace]

streamlock wrote...

Well, the OP said it. Bioware is doing exactly what they said they were going to do.

That being said, don't underestimate the writers at EAWare. They know the ending is an non-salvageable mess and will get very very creative with the EC.

As in, they are going to try to really pull on the strings of everyone's attachment to squad-mates in an attempt to distract, deflect, and gloss over the horribly contrived foundations of the ending.

Don't be surprised if they pull out the little blue baby card. They are probably that desperate at this point. (Oh how the forums are going to a lite with the viscous defense of the EC from people ignorant enough to fall for it if they pull it-sad sad sad)

They won't be able to explain circular logic. Space magic and teleportation could be explained away. But not the god child and his BS logic.

[Little Princess Peach]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

What on Earth does "simple" voice acting mean? I don't understand what exactly we're supposed to assume from that phrase.

theree to four lines maybe

[DaJe]

sparkyo42 wrote...

Personally I think ME3 is going to whimper out like DA2 and I'm not really upset by that.

I fear that is Biowares current fate as a whole. All their last games have caused servere disappointment. They lost their RPG standing and now try to make shooter/hack and slash/generic MMO games that all face an oversaturated market, populated by more experienced devs in the field.
The RPG "niche", which they helped building is giant, as proven by Skyrims numbers. Giving that up was beyond foolish.

Modifié par DaJe, 14 juin 2012 - 07:22 .

[Robhuzz]

CrystalCircuit wrote...

Is it even possible to justify and "clarify" this ending?

No but it'll be amusing to watch them try.

The only way to clarify some things (normany crash scene for example) is to completely rewrite some characters just in case they were thinking of having Shepard tell them to get out of there. It's not like any of the squadmembers, let alone shep's LI, would ever do that.

It'll be amusing but probably facepalmworthy to see them try...

[sparkyo42]

DaJe wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Personally I think ME3 is going to whimper out like DA2 and I'm not really upset by that.

I fear that is Biowares current fate as a whole. All their last games have caused servere disappointment. They lost their RPG standing and now try to make shooter/hack and slash/generic MMO games that all face an oversaturated market, populated by more experienced devs in the field.
The RPG "niche", which they helped building is giant, as proven by Skyrims numbers. Giving that up was beyond foolish.

I agree with you completely it's been sad to see it happen and I've said before that I would take the flawed combat of ME1 with its deep RPG compared to the RPGlite we've seen recently. DA:O is still fully playable to me even though its graphics is old now.

Baring a massive change I fear Bioware is not long for the world. Though I fear what EA will take over next.

[pmac_tk421]

FlamingBoy wrote...

pmac_tk421 wrote...

1. The voice acting is simple, but that doesn't necisarily mean its bad.
2 and 3. Were you listening when they announced the EC. They explicitly said thats what it was.
This is coming from someone who liked the ending, so go ahead and hate on me if you want.

1. yeah and simple doesn't mean that it is good
2. yeah and statements from bioware as we all know could mean anything (i believe i made another topic on this subject) now we have them stating it again

thats fantastic that you liked the ending
here I will give you a smiley face:)

1. I'm not saying saying that simple is automatically good, but I think that most people in the thread think that makes it automatically bad. It could go either way, thats all I'm saying.
2 and 3. While you may disagree with some of the opinion based statements bioware employees have made, the factual ones are usually correct. Maybe the employees, like me, enjoyed the end. And on the subject, you don't need to hide your anger at me in a snarky comment and emoticon.

[Sir Fluffykins]

Me just checking in for word on EC. Saw this thread.

I'm waiting for the EC and I can't really comment until I've seen it.

I can assume 3 cases;
(1) It doesn't add anything to the ending and/or confuses the issue more
(2) It reasonably explains the ending, filling in gaps in the final scene and giving an epilogue that shows Shepards choices mattered. (I might be okay with this if it isn't cheap or too abrupt)
(3) It's something no one expected -but this can be either good or bad due to the length of time it's taking and the conflicting statements people pick up.

My biggest fear is that they release this EC, it adds what they say, an epilogue and some scenes, but then release a post-game Pay-for-"Harbinger/Truth"-DLC that has what people hoped EC would be.

I enjoyed nearly the whole game and I've replayed that ending and still don't get why the wheels just seem to fall off. Where everything should have come together in a final emotional scene -followed by an epilogue showing the final results of Shepards actions/choices -followed by the credits, there was an abrupt "Evangelion" end -then REALLY short credits -then stargazer and the infamous "BUY DLC" box.

I don't mind the multiplayer and I'm watching the game-type box for any update (right now, there's just the one game type)

Oh well, I'll check in next week.

[digby69]

abaris wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...


Your point however has reminded me that DA3 will have MP as well so may be even weaker than DA2

Of that I'm quite certain.

They've made a complete U turn and right now I can't imagine being interested by any of their future games. Nothing as dramatic as claiming never to buy again, but right now it doesn't look that way.

Too true my friend, which just makes me sad.

[Kajan451]

TheDarkShape wrote...

LeBurns wrote...

Sellers are supposed to meet the expectations of the buyer.  That's how it works.  That's why the buyer buy.  When the seller gets so high and mighty that they think that they can sell anything they want regardless of what the buyer expects, you get ME3.  How's that working out for you?

Uh, great reviews and sales that will top the previous two games.  Pretty well, actually.

Most of that isn't based on the Game or that practice up there. Those sales are a reflection of previous titles. How well it is working out for them will be judged by their next title.

And i am very curious about their plans, after DA2 was such a sloppy production... and now this ME3 thing, i am very curious how the next Bioware title will fare.

People right now keep buying ME3 because of the good experiance with the previous titles, not because ME3 is getting such glowing endorsement by friends and gamers. I do have a friend who is still waiting to buy it, because he doesn't want Origin. He hopes there will be a time when the game is offered without Origin as low budget version or something, and he doesn't exactly believe me when i tell him about how bad the ending is. He is of a mind that it "can't be that bad". And "Haters gonna hate", is explaining the charity drive and so forth. Its not like there wasn't controversy before. One thing however for sure.. he will buy the game, because he liked ME2 and considers it a very good game.

So the "how is working out" question will be answered with Biowares next product. And i personally think thats their only reason to create an EC for Free.  DA2 didn't have its issues fixed in a free DLC, you have to pay for that fix. Back then they were confident enough that their sales wouldn't take a dive. Now they give the EC for free, that alone shows its not working so well for them.

Videogame Series live by their past titles credentials. Its why marketing research studies are often cited by defenders of piracy, since the piracy actually boosts future sales of the company (if the title was good) or in the case of musicans.. it boosts ticket sales for concerts and merchandising like T-shirts and such.

But before i fully digress... i am really curious for their next plan and how they want to recover from this. The EA machinery is a hungry beast, it needs something like CoD where you basically have the same game in a different skin the year next year. But Biowares most successful titles, which got them to where they were, usually needed 3-4 years to develop. It became, thanks to DA2 and ME3 now more than obvious that they can't do 2 year development circles and keep their quality levels. Some of the people responsible for those successes leaving the company because they can't work like that, doesn't exactly make the thing easier.

So yeah from a financial standpoint its gonna be very interesting to see how Bioware plans its comeback. And the EC will go a long way to either aiding or hindering the comeback.

[StonedBatman]

Bioware is going right down the sh*tter after this. Mark my words.