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[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Sdrol117 wrote...

 Bronze is easy FOR ME with level 1 ****...

Fix'd

Deconstructive post is now only non constructive. 

[Kalas Magnus]

Learn to novaguard. He doesnt die no matter what difficulty if played right.

[LadyAlekto]

Major Durza wrote...

ShadedPhoenix wrote...

I am not one of the xy faction either but that sounds more like bad luck, i got sniped by everything today as well on my geth and know its not the changes they made

But hm nerf was called for and is insignifanctly just enough to set geth right

Geth Engineer was not OP, it was a good glass cannon.  Nerf was meant for the OP Geth Infiltrator, which ended up laughing at the nerf.  Geth Engineer took the nerf bat to the face.  You cannot claim that the Geth Engineer was overused, which is the only reason a nerf is ever called for.

i play both classes and still do insane stuff, if healing would give points i'd be eqally at 150k+ each match

The nerf is exactly right and ok

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Kalas321 wrote...

Learn to novaguard. He doesnt die no matter what difficulty if played right.

THe OP is a less skilled player as he admitted 

Telling him to play right or master a class is not a solution. 

[Metal Vile]

jaydubs67 wrote...

Metal Vile wrote...

Are you sure you actually know WHAT was changed by the HM nerf?

Your survivability didn't change at all. The damage was reduced a bit, and wall-hack distance was reduced. So unless either:

A) You had the number of bullets or amount of time necessary to kill enemies memorized and were thrown off by the damage change

or
You absolutely relied on the Wall Hack distance to know when to run away from enemies

The Hunter Mode changes should not have affected your ability to survive... like, at all.

OP is not complaining about HM changes, but unusually difficult enemy spawns.  

No, the OP believes that "Today's changes" are what inflated the difficulty to the point that they were unable to beat Silver using (specifically) their Geth Engineer. 

Note that there were no spawn, enemy, or difficulty changes OF ANY KIND in this weeks balance changes.

Hence, the only logical explanation was that either

A) The OP was complaining about the HM nerf as it directly affects the GE (though not in the way that seems relevant to the topic)

or
The OP did not thoroughly read the balances changes / they believe a "stealth change" was implemented regarding Silver difficulty and/or enemy spawns.

[jaydubs67]

Metal Vile wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...


Or a modded game.  I mean, you can't even get 4-5 primes at the same time in gold.  I'm pretty sure it's capped at 3, no?  They'll keep spawning, but no more than 3 at a time.  

Edit: Ninja'd by the XBox part.  So no mods.  Odd...  

Also, Gold does, in fact, have 4 Geth Primes.

I could be wrong, but I usually never see more than 3.  And there's also the May 16 Multiplayer change data.  I've deleted the non-Geth spawn stuff.  

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May 16, 2012
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Geth Horde Wave Data
- (Gold) Wave 6: reduced number of Hunters from 4 to 2
- (Gold) Wave 6: increased number of Rocket Troopers from 2 to 3
- (Gold) Wave 6: added a single Geth Prime
- (Gold) Wave 10: reduced number of Pyros from 4 to 3
- (Gold) Wave 10: increased number of Geth Primes from 2 to 3
 
Are spawn limits higher during objective waves?  

[Kama45]

Say what you will, but I do admire OP's honesty. I'm moved by the plea, but I disagree as well.

[thesnake777]

Bekkael wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...

Or, an alternative, get better.

I'm trying. Where's the compassion and kindness in this community? Not everyone can be super amazing at MP, ya know. I have gotten to the point of topping the scoreboard on most of my silver matches, so that's an improvement over bottom score on bronze. I don't want it to be stressfully difficult to play, just pleasantly challenging. Today, it certainly wasn't enjoyable.

You might just have had an off day OP. It happenes to everyone. Some matches I feel like the enemy has homing devices in their weapons. Also you will get better in time. I'm sure if you keep at it you will be taking on gold in no time.

[Sdrol117]

Bekkael wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...

Or, an alternative, get better.

I'm trying. Where's the compassion and kindness in this community? Not everyone can be super amazing at MP, ya know. I have gotten to the point of topping the scoreboard on most of my silver matches, so that's an improvement over bottom score on bronze. I don't want it to be stressfully difficult to play, just pleasantly challenging. Today, it certainly wasn't enjoyable.

You're complaining about difficulty, so go play bronze. 

[Bekkael]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

Learn to novaguard. He doesnt die no matter what difficulty if played right.

THe OP is a less skilled player as he SHE admitted 

Telling him HER to play right or master a class is not a solution. 

I fixed that for ya, since I'm a female.

Also, the last time I played novaguard, I ended up sky-walking above the map. *sigh* And yes, I forgot that I needed to host if I was going to play human vanguard. Curse the bugs!

[Metal Vile]

Cyonan wrote...

Metal Vile wrote...

Also, Gold does, in fact, have 4 Geth Primes.

You can get 4 Geth Primes on an objective wave because they keep spawning until you do the objective.

However, no wave on Gold can have more than 3 Geth Primes active at one time.

Are you serious?  I would almost be willing to bet money I had seen 4 Geth Primes in a FBW/G/G game once....

They typically spawn in pairs, and I've seen more than one group on the map simultaneously.....
Instant respawn after being rocketed I guess?

[TehMerc]

Kalas321 wrote...

Learn to novaguard. He doesnt die no matter what difficulty if played right.

Damned OP novaguards.

[RomanowRomanow]

Bekkael wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...

Or, an alternative, get better.

I'm trying. Where's the compassion and kindness in this community? Not everyone can be super amazing at MP, ya know. I have gotten to the point of topping the scoreboard on most of my silver matches, so that's an improvement over bottom score on bronze. I don't want it to be stressfully difficult to play, just pleasantly challenging. Today, it certainly wasn't enjoyable.

The compassion? Its on PC with me and my mates, sadly cant help you.

[Gashie]

I never really notice these things (too engrossed in actually playing most of the time) but.... my match had 2 brutes and 4 banshees that spawned at the same time altogether at the start of wave 10 on silver yesterday. Seems a little abnormal - or has it always been like this?

2 teammates were downed, there were 4 husks in a line chasing one (sad but a little comedic!), and after downing two banshees, soon 1 teammate was left.. and he was pretty much cornered and raped by the two remaining banshees and two brutes who kept closing in on him. And I've checked, it's definitely silver. Marauders and Cannibals seems to have been in regular numbers and nothing seemed out of place for those.

P.S. We died and didn't successfully extract.

Modifié par Gashie, 13 juin 2012 - 03:57 .

[Major Durza]

ShadedPhoenix wrote...

Major Durza wrote...

ShadedPhoenix wrote...

I am not one of the xy faction either but that sounds more like bad luck, i got sniped by everything today as well on my geth and know its not the changes they made

But hm nerf was called for and is insignifanctly just enough to set geth right

Geth Engineer was not OP, it was a good glass cannon.  Nerf was meant for the OP Geth Infiltrator, which ended up laughing at the nerf.  Geth Engineer took the nerf bat to the face.  You cannot claim that the Geth Engineer was overused, which is the only reason a nerf is ever called for.

i play both classes and still do insane stuff, if healing would give points i'd be eqally at 150k+ each match

The nerf is exactly right and ok

That is not the point.

Coming up with an example...
Done

Batarian Soldier.
Does it need to be nerfed?  No, its not overused.
Would a nerf break the class?  No, some people will still be able to use it to great effect.
Does that make it warrant a nerf?  No, why would you nerf it if the class is not a problem?  If it is not broken, why try to fix it?  Moreover, if it is not OP then why weaken it?

[Cyonan]

Metal Vile wrote...

Are you serious?  I would almost be willing to bet money I had seen 4 Geth Primes in a FBW/G/G game once....

They typically spawn in pairs, and I've seen more than one group on the map simultaneously.....
Instant respawn after being rocketed I guess?

They can spawn instantly after being rocketed. I've even had 2 spawn right next to 2 that I had just rocketed, just out of my line of sight(but then entered it a second later).

but the wave wont let any more than 3 at a time exist.

[Rogue Eagle]

I support initiative to revert gold back to way it was and add another difficulty.

[C9316]

It's soooo nice to see people trying to understand and help our fellow forumite.

[Kalas Magnus]

Sdrol117 wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...

Or, an alternative, get better.

I'm trying. Where's the compassion and kindness in this community? Not everyone can be super amazing at MP, ya know. I have gotten to the point of topping the scoreboard on most of my silver matches, so that's an improvement over bottom score on bronze. I don't want it to be stressfully difficult to play, just pleasantly challenging. Today, it certainly wasn't enjoyable.

You're complaining about difficulty, so go play bronze. 

Right, I play cerberus and reapers on gold, but the geth are too hard for me. With the swarming and pyros and rockets I hate it. Rather than asking to nerf them ill just change the difficulty. It doesnt cheapen the game and when i get better there is a challenge.

[PD ORTA]

mikepaul wrote...

Madara1290 wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...
They changed silver spawns? News to me. It's not in the list of official changes in any case.

I have no idea, but dozens of pyros/hunters/rocket troopers and 4-5 Primes at the same time seems a bit excessive and more than I experienced prior to this afternoon and evening.

Sounds more like a gold match with the number of primes your talking about.

Bronze sometimes gets Silver-like waves, and Silver sometimes gets Gold-like ones.  Not often enough to count on, but they happen.  That's when the rocket launchers should be used liberally and accurately...

This. Sometimes I see gold like waves of enemies on Silver.

Modifié par PD ORTA, 13 juin 2012 - 04:01 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

C9316 wrote...

It's soooo nice to see people trying to understand and help our fellow forumite.

Some of us actually are

I think the OP sticking to bronze is the best solution

[omgBAMF]

Bekkael wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...

Or, an alternative, get better.

I'm trying. Where's the compassion and kindness in this community? Not everyone can be super amazing at MP, ya know. I have gotten to the point of topping the scoreboard on most of my silver matches, so that's an improvement over bottom score on bronze. I don't want it to be stressfully difficult to play, just pleasantly challenging. Today, it certainly wasn't enjoyable.

Too bad you aren't on PC, otherwise I would offer to show you some tips for silver (what I usually play to have fun).  The biggest tip I can offer to make things less stressful are to anticipate spawn locations.  If you can effectively do that, then you are on your way to improving.  Another tip would be to know when you're outmatched/overrun and make a tactial retreat.

edit-
Another tip I just thought of... know how to prioritize targets. The one's that are most dangerous or are most likely to catch you unaware are the ones to deal with first.  A lot of times, it isn't the prime that will kill you... its the lowly geth trooper approaching on your flank.

Modifié par omgBAMF, 13 juin 2012 - 04:02 .

[Bekkael]

Metal Vile wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Metal Vile wrote...

Also, Gold does, in fact, have 4 Geth Primes.

You can get 4 Geth Primes on an objective wave because they keep spawning until you do the objective.

However, no wave on Gold can have more than 3 Geth Primes active at one time.

Are you serious?  I would almost be willing to bet money I had seen 4 Geth Primes in a FBW/G/G game once....

They typically spawn in pairs, and I've seen more than one group on the map simultaneously.....
Instant respawn after being rocketed I guess?

This is absolutely right. They do seem to spawn in pairs in matches I'm in, at least on the later objective rounds. With hunter vision, I've seen two sets of Primes at the same time on silver, which is when I always grab my rockets. I thought there were supposed to be that many Primes on silver objective waves, but...maybe that's a bug too? 

[Major Durza]

RomanowRomanow wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...

Or, an alternative, get better.

I'm trying. Where's the compassion and kindness in this community? Not everyone can be super amazing at MP, ya know. I have gotten to the point of topping the scoreboard on most of my silver matches, so that's an improvement over bottom score on bronze. I don't want it to be stressfully difficult to play, just pleasantly challenging. Today, it certainly wasn't enjoyable.

The compassion? Its on PC with me and my mates, sadly cant help you.

I second that.  Don't find too many belligerents on PC, at least not many that use a mic.  If you were on PC, I'd happily add you on my FL and try to help you get better.  But you have the XBox community to deal with, and I can't help you over there.  Now, if this game was cross-platform that would be a different story.

[Major Durza]

And I agree, this nerfing my weapons and buffing my enemies has got to stop. I read somewhere that if we had the Phaeston that the Marauders use, it would be something like XXXVI.