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GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

What are your thoughts on the Turian Sentinel? I have a wonky internet at times and he's the only character other than infiltrators that I trust completely on gold. If you use a respec card to get that point back from tech armor, you can have piercing warp, chain overload, the weapon stability bonus, and max health. He can't distract enemies but he is a tank, so there is that.


I tend to do better with more agile characters that can move quickly, and roll or dodge easily. Oddly, I love playing a Krogan from time to time. :lol:

@Aeokyn I absolutely love the AA or AV against Cerberus with Stasis. Endless fun with Phantoms.

@Lexa_D Don't I know it! I was in an all Infiltrator match a few times as an AA or GE, and yikes! Lots of aggro for me. Of course, all the snipers killed everything before I turned into a bloody stain on the floor, but it was still quite an interesting experience.

@IFR Deathcrush Thank you for the offer! I'll sort out my list and send you a FR. :)

@Strict31 I agree that communication is really important between squaddies. I'm not afraid to use my mic in the slightest.

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Bekkael wrote...

ToaOrka wrote...

Or, an alternative, get better.


I'm trying. Where's the compassion and kindness in this community? Not everyone can be super amazing at MP, ya know. :crying: I have gotten to the point of topping the scoreboard on most of my silver matches, so that's an improvement over bottom score on bronze. I don't want it to be stressfully difficult to play, just pleasantly challenging. Today, it certainly wasn't enjoyable.


"Compassion?" We've dismissed that claim.

My GT is Ethereal235. Me and some others on my list have worked out an incredibly fun and surprisingly decent gold framing strategy that doesn't involve sitting behind a goddamned counter for a half hour, but I'm always down for silver runs. Hit me up, if you want. Have a mic, at least?

Does sound like you just had an off day. Happens to all of us from time to time. Especially me.

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Bekkael, the best bet is to use the microphone and get everyone to stick together on wave 10. Make sure everyone has complementing guns/powers. I hate to say it, but I have a higher rate of extraction on gold than on silver simply because people on silver don't play team work. I still enjoy freelancing on silver and will go there when I get tired of the close quarters while holding the line on gold.

ME3 multiplayer isn't so much about motor skills like a Halo multiplayer. It's all about knowledge about matchups of teams/guns/powers/tactics. You'll do fine if you keep at it. Experience will come with time.

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Bekkael wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

LoL this is a funny thread and a funny OP. Really, I can't stop laughing right now.

The HM nerf didn't make you any squishier. And it didn't make more enemies spawn.

/case closed.


And there are never exceptions to the rule, nor are there any bugs in this game that might affect difficulty, right? Despite several other posters in this thread saying they experienced something similar?

Thank you so much for deigning to share your clearly superior knowledge and understanding, as well as your ridicule and contemp for what was an honest post on my part.


I don't know from bugs and glitches. But the Balance Changes thread shows where they buffed all the Geth units on all the difficulties way back on March 13. Anybody can go there and see for themselves that the Geth are tougher on all difficulties. I dunno if they're spawning more or whatever. But I do know they're tougher and Hunters are faster, allowing them to flank you quicker and slip inside your perimeter before you realize it if you're busy killing all the guys who are now tougher and do more damage.

The first time I noticed this change, I was on Hydra on Gold, playing a Geth Engineer in Hunter Mode. And my jaw just dropped as I watched a bunch of Hunters streaking across the map as fast as you please. And because they're cloaked, I'm the only one who can even see them.

You do not need to prove to anyone that the Geth are more difficult now, because the evidence is right there in that thread. There are still ways to shut them down, but they are objectively more difficult now.

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dear op, a plea from more skilled players,

adapt or die

signed,
more skilled players

p.s. - just because you *can* leave HM on at all times doesn't mean you have to.

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I hear you Bekkael. I've had days when in a silver match, i die on wave 2 (regardless of class), then days where i only die on wave 10 hacks out in the open. Geth have seemed to become much harder recently with the previous balance (not June 12th's) and the swarm tactics of Hunters & Pyros is downright ridiculous on some maps.

Also, another "would add you if you were on PC" player here to as i tend more to enjoy the challenge of Silver while still having fun, as opposed to the rather more stressful (coming from not wanting to let the team down) gold games on any map (only ever really had 2 FBWGG farming runs that i got into).

Just remember to keep having fun, and brushing the bad days off as just that, having a bad day.

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Why people have to LIE to make their point?

First of all, you CANNOT have "4-5 Primes" at the same time. Even on Gold. Were there a lot of enemies? Maybe, but don't lie to try and say "it was imposibiru!" to try and ease that you couldn't do it. Hack game? Chances are higher for "not true" than "hack game", IMO.

And then we have your complain about the nerf on HM. "the changes you made caused my Geth Engineer, Legacy, to die". Yeaaaaaaah... because they nerf your HP and your shields, and now GE acts like a decoy.... NO. They removed some meters of vision and I think like 15% of damage. Did that kill you? O RLY? Because I doubt you couldn't kill those "4-5 Primes" because of the nerf....

But yeah, I'm sure I'm mistaken. It's not that you had a bad game and blame the nerf because "I know my character, so it's not me, it's because it's way harder now!". That's what most people do, I presume: "a nerf on my character? FUUUUU! That Phantom insta-killed me because of that!"

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Bekkael wrote...


@Strict31 I agree that communication is really important between squaddies. I'm not afraid to use my mic in the slightest.


If that's the case, hit me up with a friend request. My gamertag is in my Profile. I reckon you've probably got more new potential friends than you can shake a Krysae at after this thread, but the way I figure it, you can never have enough friends if they all have their own guns.

We got a relatively large pool of players (some of whom are friends IRL). Three of them are women if that matters to you at all. And we all tend to joke around and have fun in chat even if there's not room for us in a given lobby. Maybe you'd enjoy it.

I tend to favor AAs and AJs, so if you're willing to give Adepts a go again, I'm more than willing to set up some Explosions with ya.

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Dear Skilled Players,
This isn't about you.
kthxbai

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Wow, holy crap, working my way through the pages of ****, people on these forums really are complete dicks. That whole 'dismissed that claim' bit was a joke. Seems plenty of people really do think it's okay to be pricks so long as there's a keyboard involved.

Dear "skilled" players,
You can be competent at something and have useful advice without being total dicks. If you don't know how, then you're not competent at giving useful advice, so stick to super important things like being pro at cooperative multiplayer games. Leave discussion and other things that humans are good at to people that are good at being human.

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PreGy wrote...

Why people have to LIE to make their point?

First of all, you CANNOT have "4-5 Primes" at the same time. Even on Gold. Were there a lot of enemies? Maybe, but don't lie to try and say "it was imposibiru!" to try and ease that you couldn't do it. Hack game? Chances are higher for "not true" than "hack game", IMO.

And then we have your complain about the nerf on HM. "the changes you made caused my Geth Engineer, Legacy, to die". Yeaaaaaaah... because they nerf your HP and your shields, and now GE acts like a decoy.... NO. They removed some meters of vision and I think like 15% of damage. Did that kill you? O RLY? Because I doubt you couldn't kill those "4-5 Primes" because of the nerf....

But yeah, I'm sure I'm mistaken. It's not that you had a bad game and blame the nerf because "I know my character, so it's not me, it's because it's way harder now!". That's what most people do, I presume: "a nerf on my character? FUUUUU! That Phantom insta-killed me because of that!"


You sound very angry. :P 

Not that you'll believe me, but I'm not lying. There were two pairs of Geth Primes on the Tuchanka map earlier this evening at the same time (and the game setting said silver difficulty), I watched them getting close enough for hunter vision to make them out. I wasn't even the one playing at the time, my hubby was while I watched, and as soon as he rocketed 2 of them and a couple lesser guys with them, 2 more instantly spawned right there. That was new to me that there would be so many to spawn at once. He and the 3 guys he was playing with all died before they could complete the hack, and they were all quite decent players, I thought. I'm thinking it might have worked better for 1 or 2 of them to leave the hack and draw some of the heavy hitters away, but who knows?

Also, I would never blame anything or anyone else when I suck, I will freely admit to suckage with no problem, if it is merited. My 15 year old son who has been playing online MP games nearly his entire life also expressed the opinion that he thinks ME3 MP has gotten tougher lately, so I don't think it's just me.

I see many, many threads demanding (not asking, demanding) that this be nerfed or that be made more difficult, and I just want to let BioWare know that there are also players who like mid-range difficulty too.

I'm sorry if my existence as a somewhat casual gamer offends the elitists....;)

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I'm fairly sure that early in a wave any enemies killed have a replacement spawn in there place. That would explain why two primes immediately spawned after you nuked the first two.

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TLK Spires wrote...

dear op, a plea from more skilled players,

adapt or die

signed,
more skilled players

p.s. - just because you *can* leave HM on at all times doesn't mean you have to.


Uh Huh

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As someone who can only play a few classes effectively, I feel the OP's pain. Let us fair-to-middling players have something, why don'tcha?

So please don't nerf the AJA. Kthnxbai.

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Bekkael wrote...
I'm sorry if my existence as a somewhat casual gamer offends the elitists....;)


Did I say that? Oh, yeah, I DIDN'T, because that ain't true. But then you get upset if I say you lie in your "arguments"... History of Mankind.

And if I seem angry in your eyes, then I must say:

- I'm sorry, it is not my intend. I try to highlight the key things here, Sorry if you felt "attacked".
- As I stated on my post, I hate people lying to make their points. LOGIC + ARGUMENTS = DEBATE. No room for lies.
- I'm not from an english country, so I have to get straight to the point, so I don't make complicated sentences. I wish I could write better, know how to imply a particular mood in a written post (it's hard on my language, so I can only guess how hard must be try to know how a foreign person feel by what he writes <--- this is why I prefer short sentences :S)


I will repeat my points in case you would like to read and be open about them:
- Respawns are the same. If you kill 2 Primes, and there is "room" for another two, they will respawn. It has always been this way. And this is NOT like to have "4-5 Primes on the map".
- HM nerf has very little to do with survival.
- I don't mind "less skill" players playing. Why should I? I hate lies, tough.
- I haven't ever demand anything on this forum I think. Why you have to "throw" at me what other people may have said in other threads?

Modifié par PreGy, 13 juin 2012 - 06:54 .


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Hey! I think I've seen you around on the Kaidan threads before, not sure we've spoken directly though so, hey! :)

I feel your pain when playing on silver public games, as people tend to do stupid things which get you killed. I play on PC which sucks as I would love to play a few games with you. :/

I generally play as an AA on gold games, with the incredibly squishy build 6/6/6/5/3. Because of this I've gotten pretty good at dodging, and manoeuvring around the maps avoiding enemy fire, but indeed some times yes I do die, we're not all perfect. If you make your build mainly for biotic explosions, you'll kick ass. :P

I think you mentioned you played as an AA before? If so, give it another try, maybe on said build (not essential) and do some silver games, getting used to staying alive. A player who stays alive is a lot more respected than one charging straight into the enemy to try and get the highest score and dying, in my honest opinion. Once you get used to that, you should be pretty good at staying alive on most of the other classes (except maybe those who can't dodge, as they're just plain tricky :P).

The best advice I can give you is keep at it, and try playing with some people who have mics, I'm sure there are some people on this thread that would be willing to play with you! I've been lucky enough to find some great people to play with through public games who also have mics, and generally on the silver/gold matches I play, I learn new tricks every day. :)

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@PreGy

I don't really understand what the big deal is. Either way Bekkael needs some tips that work, regardless of the effectiveness of her trigger finger. That's what this thread is about.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 13 juin 2012 - 07:08 .


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Bekkael wrote...
You sound very angry. :P 

Not that you'll believe me, but I'm not lying. There were two pairs of Geth Primes on the Tuchanka map earlier this evening at the same time (and the game setting said silver difficulty), I watched them getting close enough for hunter vision to make them out. I wasn't even the one playing at the time, my hubby was while I watched, and as soon as he rocketed 2 of them and a couple lesser guys with them, 2 more instantly spawned right there. That was new to me that there would be so many to spawn at once. He and the 3 guys he was playing with all died before they could complete the hack, and they were all quite decent players, I thought. I'm thinking it might have worked better for 1 or 2 of them to leave the hack and draw some of the heavy hitters away, but who knows?

Also, I would never blame anything or anyone else when I suck, I will freely admit to suckage with no problem, if it is merited. My 15 year old son who has been playing online MP games nearly his entire life also expressed the opinion that he thinks ME3 MP has gotten tougher lately, so I don't think it's just me.

I see many, many threads demanding (not asking, demanding) that this be nerfed or that be made more difficult, and I just want to let BioWare know that there are also players who like mid-range difficulty too.

I'm sorry if my existence as a somewhat casual gamer offends the elitists....;)


*Hugs Bekkael!*

I know how you feel; when I started out with certain characters, I was dreadful. Took ages to finally find a nice happy zone where I had things figured out and could do quite well.. Then the game changed. I enjoy a challenge, and I do believe the developers are trying to find some semblance of balance, so you just have to roll with what you're given. 

I think you should definitely take some of these people up on their offers of doing matches with you. Playing with a decent group of people improves the fun factor a hundred fold, not to mention if they're doing well, it'll push you to match that. Plus, not being overrun will give you a chance to breathe, time your shots and all around be more aware of your surroundings.

It'll get better! Also, the community needs more upbeat people like you, forget the elitists :P

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@Strict31 I sent you a FR here so I can view your profile, since you have it set to private. ^_^

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

I'm fairly sure that early in a wave any enemies killed have a replacement spawn in there place. That would explain why two primes immediately spawned after you nuked the first two.


Do you think the replacement spawn could have been what doubled the number of Primes? I hope to never see that many primes on a silver match again. I think I'm going to go with the glitch theory to explain it. :blink:

@Siansonea I hope for no more nerfing of any of the characters. They can do whatever they want to the weapons, if they will just leave the classes alone. :devil:

@PreGy I wasn't trying to pick on you either, just relating what I observed while I and others in my home played MP tonight. Again, I didn't lie, and if I offended you, then I apologize. One or two posts in this thread have seemed a bit on the condescending side, and I interpreted yours the same way. Agree to disagree? :)

@piraticalx Yes, I was a regular on the Kaidan thread for a long time, but I haven't checked in for a while. Thanks for the pointers! :wizard:

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Trippid wrote...

Bekkael wrote...
You sound very angry. :P 

Not that you'll believe me, but I'm not lying. There were two pairs of Geth Primes on the Tuchanka map earlier this evening at the same time (and the game setting said silver difficulty), I watched them getting close enough for hunter vision to make them out. I wasn't even the one playing at the time, my hubby was while I watched, and as soon as he rocketed 2 of them and a couple lesser guys with them, 2 more instantly spawned right there. That was new to me that there would be so many to spawn at once. He and the 3 guys he was playing with all died before they could complete the hack, and they were all quite decent players, I thought. I'm thinking it might have worked better for 1 or 2 of them to leave the hack and draw some of the heavy hitters away, but who knows?

Also, I would never blame anything or anyone else when I suck, I will freely admit to suckage with no problem, if it is merited. My 15 year old son who has been playing online MP games nearly his entire life also expressed the opinion that he thinks ME3 MP has gotten tougher lately, so I don't think it's just me.

I see many, many threads demanding (not asking, demanding) that this be nerfed or that be made more difficult, and I just want to let BioWare know that there are also players who like mid-range difficulty too.

I'm sorry if my existence as a somewhat casual gamer offends the elitists....;)


*Hugs Bekkael!*

I know how you feel; when I started out with certain characters, I was dreadful. Took ages to finally find a nice happy zone where I had things figured out and could do quite well.. Then the game changed. I enjoy a challenge, and I do believe the developers are trying to find some semblance of balance, so you just have to roll with what you're given. 

I think you should definitely take some of these people up on their offers of doing matches with you. Playing with a decent group of people improves the fun factor a hundred fold, not to mention if they're doing well, it'll push you to match that. Plus, not being overrun will give you a chance to breathe, time your shots and all around be more aware of your surroundings.

It'll get better! Also, the community needs more upbeat people like you, forget the elitists :P


Aw, thank you. I accept any and all hugs. :D

Yeah, I think some of the weekly balance changes throw me off on occasion. I won't give up though. My favorite part of roleplaying games is the grind toward greatness. Not that we can achieve the god-like level of amazing like when we play Shepard, but there is still that grind element of learning to be a better/sharper/faster player that I really like.

I'm glad if you think I've brought some positivity here. I've always thought the BSN desperately needs more lovers and fewer fighters, and I'm definitely a lover. :kissing:

On that note, it's time for me to hit the hay. I'll check in here tomorrow for any more helpful bits of wisdom.

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To people who want to get better : JOIN A GROUP. This will let you access to friendly skilled people who want to help and have fun at the same time. You will then learn much more quickly.

Also, ask the right questions. Instead of "BioWare, why did you do that" or "BioWare, could you please do this", ask "Skilled players, how can I do this" or "Dear community, how do I work around that". In short : BioWare barely replies to questions, especially whinings or demands. Ask yourself what YOU can control instead of relying on what you can't.

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PreGy wrote...

Did I say that? Oh, yeah, I DIDN'T, because that ain't true. But then you get upset if I say you lie in your "arguments"... History of Mankind.

And if I seem angry in your eyes, then I must say:

- I'm sorry, it is not my intend. I try to highlight the key things here, Sorry if you felt "attacked".
- As I stated on my post, I hate people lying to make their points. LOGIC + ARGUMENTS = DEBATE. No room for lies.
- I'm not from an english country, so I have to get straight to the point, so I don't make complicated sentences. I wish I could write better, know how to imply a particular mood in a written post (it's hard on my language, so I can only guess how hard must be try to know how a foreign person feel by what he writes <--- this is why I prefer short sentences :S)


I will repeat my points in case you would like to read and be open about them:
- Respawns are the same. If you kill 2 Primes, and there is "room" for another two, they will respawn. It has always been this way. And this is NOT like to have "4-5 Primes on the map".
- HM nerf has very little to do with survival.
- I don't mind "less skill" players playing. Why should I? I hate lies, tough.
- I haven't ever demand anything on this forum I think. Why you have to "throw" at me what other people may have said in other threads?

I would not say that Bekkael is lying. Since you believe that it's impossible to have 4+ primes on a map, but Bekkael believes otherwise, then the correct term would be "mistaken" rather than "lying". Her post is honest, and she is not intending to deceive anyone.

The difference between a lie and being mistaken is a common misconception even among native English speakers. A lie is intentionally giving the wrong information; Bekkael believes her information is correct.

I was going to comment on the tone of your post, but since you've said English isn't your first language, that's forgivable. So I'm going to try to be helpful.

"Did I say that? Oh, yeah, I DIDN'T, because that ain't true." Here you're using sarcasm, and except when used humorously, sarcasm is rude (this generalization will probably get me yelled at, but I think it's a good rule of thumb). To me, this sounds like you're attacking Bekkael and gives off the impression that you're angry.

Using CAPITALS is often read as yelling on the internet, so when you
capitalize words like "lie" it sounds aggressive. Though this is
certainly up to you how you want to format your post, in my opinion emphasis should only be
used for what's VERY important in a post. Using bold and italics are also great for adding emphasis to your post.

Calling someone a liar also puts their integrity into question, which can be seen as aggressive.

Back on topic:

I won't make a stand either way on the prime issue, since a) I don't know and B) I don't really count primes, I just shoot and run. But the amount of primes was also discussed earlier in the thread.

Cyonan wrote...

They can spawn instantly after being
rocketed. I've even had 2 spawn right next to 2 that I had just
rocketed, just out of my line of sight(but then entered it a second
later).

but the wave wont let any more than 3 at a time exist.


Bekkael wrote...

This is absolutely right. They do seem to
spawn in pairs in matches I'm in, at least on the later objective
rounds. With hunter vision, I've seen two sets of Primes at the same
time on silver, which is when I always grab my rockets. I thought there
were supposed to be that many Primes on silver objective waves,
but...maybe that's a bug too?  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie]


Whether there are 3, 4, 5 or 18 primes, the issue was more about how some rounds are drastically more difficult than others. Which I can completely agree with.

Grotaiche wrote...

Also, ask the right questions. Instead of "BioWare, why
did you do that" or "BioWare, could you please do this", ask "Skilled
players, how can I do this" or "Dear community, how do I work around
that". In short : BioWare barely replies to questions, especially
whinings or demands. Ask yourself what YOU can control instead of
relying on what you can't.

I completely agree. I've played enough MMORPGs that I've become pretty numb to nerfs. Instead of complaining about a change, adapt and find something new that works well, if not better.

Anytime I want to play a new class, the first thing I do is come to these forums and use the search bar. There's a lot of good information here and plenty of helpful people that can send you in the right direction for whatever playstyle you want.

In all honesty, I think nerfs and buffs can extend the life of the game, because it forces you to play in different styles. Though I'm sure a lot of people disagree with me, but like I said, I'm numb to the changes.

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Madara1290 wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...

They changed silver spawns? News to me. It's not in the list of official changes in any case.


I have no idea, but dozens of pyros/hunters/rocket troopers and 4-5 Primes at the same time seems a bit excessive and more than I experienced prior to this afternoon and evening.


Sounds more like a gold match with the number of primes your talking about.

I played solo last night vs Geth on Gold and never had more than 2 Primes at the same time.:?

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Ok.. everyone arguing the little things that are incorrect about the OP's posts.. you are way off point. The point is that silver should be much easier than gold, and bronze should be for pure beginners, not just players that aren't beasts like some of us.

The point is also that when something is nerfed, it doesn't just effect those try-hards in gold going for every gun lvl 10 and every class maxed. It effects the newbies and the casual players as well, so cut them some slack.

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Lord Rosario wrote...

Ok.. everyone arguing the little things that are incorrect about the OP's posts.. you are way off point. The point is that silver should be much easier than gold, and bronze should be for pure beginners, not just players that aren't beasts like some of us.

I disagree. The point of the OP is that the nerf prevents her to play GE in Silver. OK then switch to Bronze if your point is to have fun.
Also, Bronze/Silver/Gold are levels of play, not levels of seniority. If you can't succeed in Silver then stick to Bronze, period.

The point is also that when something is nerfed, it doesn't just effect those try-hards in gold going for every gun lvl 10 and every class maxed. It effects the newbies and the casual players as well, so cut them some slack.

My issue here is the attitude ; whining or trying to get compassion won't get you anywhere. The rules of the game have changed : either adapt or stop playing. Maybe it's not fair or whatever, but that's how things are. So yeah, have rant, vent on the forums, but don't spend more than 10 mins on it. It won't get you nowhere.
(also, on a side note, if you look at the OP's manifest, she does have every gun lvl 10 except for UR)