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[SuperD-710]

Crossbows require str to wield, but do not get any attribute modifier. Which means that by the time you have the str to wield a crossbow, even a low tier long bow would do more damage. So what exactly is the point? Is it intended to be this way or is it a bug (that crossbows get no modifier)?

[Tonya777]

I assume its so that warriors can have decent ranged damage

[SuperD-710]

Even a warrior that pumped no points into dex can use a tier 1 long bow and get more damage than a tier 7 crossbow.

[Tonya777]

They don't assume everyone would have figured out DEX is good for tanks?



In other games its more traditional for tanks to do Constitution or its equivelant in that game



So I think its for warriors under the idea that STR/CON is the way to go so that they can still do decent ranged damage?

[Dark83]

Crossbow are supposed to be 100% Dex, with Str requirements.

[T1l]

Honestly, I have no idea and have wondered the same thing myself.

The damage difference isn't even remotely comparable, either. Like you said, by the time you have enough strength to use a mid-high tier crossbow, the damage you're doing with a longbow is far greater -because- of your strength. So... what's the point? No idea. Looks, maybe.

Modifié par T1l, 13 décembre 2009 - 12:58 .

[Titius.Vibius]

I love the crossbows especially the antique one. Although I have to admit its kinda weak on a warrior but on a rogue, its devastating.

[SuperD-710]

Tonya777 wrote...

They don't assume everyone would have figured out DEX is good for tanks?
In other games its more traditional for tanks to do Constitution or its equivelant in that game
So I think its for warriors under the idea that STR/CON is the way to go so that they can still do decent ranged damage?

You're not making sense. I said even a warrior with no dex does more damage with long bows. A simple calculation in your head would tell you as much since long/short bows still get 50% damage bonus from str while crossbows get nothing.

Dark83 wrote...

Crossbow are supposed to be 100% Dex, with Str requirements.

I've also read that somewhere on this forums, but is that a confirmed bug? Or just someone's idea, which became "fact" after a lot of relays?

[Tonya777]

A Rogue would have to ruin their build to even equip a crossbow

[SuperD-710]

Titius.Vibius wrote...

I love the crossbows especially the antique one. Although I have to admit its kinda weak on a warrior but on a rogue, its devastating.

How does that work? Crossbows have no atrribute modifier; how is it different putting it on a rogue or on a warrior?

[whtnyte-raernst]

Traditionally, a crossbow was not used as a long range weapon, it loses power over distance.

They were designed for use within a few feet of a knight to punch through his armor.

I haven't checked, does a crossbow have higher armor penetration than a bow in the game?

[SuperD-710]

whtnyte-raernst wrote...

Traditionally, a crossbow was not used as a long range weapon, it loses power over distance.
They were designed for use within a few feet of a knight to punch through his armor.
I haven't checked, does a crossbow have higher armor penetration than a bow in the game?

Yes crossbows generally have high AP. But even on heavily armored foes, the AP difference still doesn't come close to offset the raw damage difference. This is comparing the tier 7 warden crossbow with low tier normal longbows.

[MR-9]

Tonya777 wrote...

A Rogue would have to ruin their build to even equip a crossbow

Not true, a sword rogue wearing the Warden's Keep DLC armor (26 STR Req) can still backstab and tear this game apart. Rogues can be STR or DEX based, either one works.

[Daz58]

Whatelse are we going to do with all those bolts we collect? )

[Kalcalan]

That's easy cash.



Crossbows are useless as it is.

[Puppy Love]

I like crossbows... why must they suck?

[Titius.Vibius]

SuperD-710 wrote...

Titius.Vibius wrote...

I love the crossbows especially the antique one. Although I have to admit its kinda weak on a warrior but on a rogue, its devastating.

How does that work? Crossbows have no atrribute modifier; how is it different putting it on a rogue or on a warrior?

Well I just noticed and tested it with Sten, he hits a genlock alpha with six bolts but my rogue shoots only three and its dead.

[Darpaek]

The dex hotfix really shows what xbows were meant to do. It's too bad they weren't properly implemented.

[MR-9]

It's easier not to notice the lack of bowstring.

[kevinwastaken]

Magic bowstrings are invisible, it's in the lore. (probably)



Crossbows are for peasants.

[MR-9]

It's as deep in the lore as it needs to be to justify releasing a game in 2009 based on a graphics engine that can not support the animations required to draw bowstrings. Dragon Age looks great unless you really start looking.

[Dark83]

SuperD-710 wrote...

Dark83 wrote...

Crossbow are supposed to be 100% Dex, with Str requirements.

I've also read that somewhere on this forums, but is that a confirmed bug? Or just someone's idea, which became "fact" after a lot of relays?

http://dragonage.gul...p/items/weapons

Modifié par Dark83, 13 décembre 2009 - 02:33 .

[SuperD-710]

Dark83 wrote...

SuperD-710 wrote...

Dark83 wrote...

Crossbow are supposed to be 100% Dex, with Str requirements.

I've also read that somewhere on this forums, but is that a confirmed bug? Or just someone's idea, which became "fact" after a lot of relays?

http://dragonage.gul...p/items/weapons

That page also lists DEX as crossbow's base prereq, which we all know is actually STR. Unless that's also a bug...

[anjii21]

ok i tested this thorughly, and yes crossbows vs. bows suck, bows win easy no matter your stats, did this with one tier seven crossbow one tier seven longbow, and various stat cheat codes to get them to 1000, all stats at 1000 even and using one of every type of arrow/bolt the crossbow lost on everything... damage both elemental and normal. So yes junk your crossbows till they patch them how they should be.

[anjii21]

also tried on genlocks hurlocks and spiders still the same