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[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. You haven't given me a reason why. She never said she doesn't care about her looks. She hard as nail but that doesn't mean she doesn't care for her looks. And as clean cut she is in ME1, I would say she does care.

2.Again, with in the characters persona. Any back shot of Miranda will have cut to the butt no matter how unglorious. Even her death scene in ME2 has it.
And with Jack, her coming out with what she is wear is in her character being that she is a punk rock who once **** a belt bra...and it replead alot of people way from her. 

1. Yes, I did. Let me give you an example. She is very interested in ManShep, or in Kaidan. But you don't see her overly dressed and loosing down her hair just to attract them. She had a reason to dress like that, yet she didn't. She attracted ManShep with her personality, not her looks. You see what I mean now? When you would think she would wear it, she didn't. So it's not in her personality to dress that way.

2. Are you joking? Every scene of Miranda has a shot with half of her butt at the camera. When you first meet her at the citadel? buttshot. When taking to her at the presidium? buttshot. Even at the terminal she has a buttshot! You almost never see the back of any other character. Except for Miranda. And even then you only see a very specific place of her back...

3. Again, you don't understand what I'm trying to say. You notice Jack's figure more in ME3 than in ME2. In characterism, the white strip is there to cover her. But the game is actually showing us her body, not to mention the nipples. Black would be more sutied for jack to wear. But she was given white. Bacause BioWare wanted to show us more. White is more noticible than black. 

Modifié par HagarIshay, 13 juin 2012 - 01:37 .

[Apfelweinbrauer]

dreman9999 wrote...]
1.It's an alliance uniform no matter how you cut it. It even has a S1 Alliance ranking on it.

You didn't answer my question, if it's an official alliance uniform, why is Ashley Williams the only person in the galaxy who wears it? This "S1 Alliance" thing is just ridiculous, you could also put this tag on a wedding dress...

 

Oh yes, please take a look at the following picture and show me a picture of women in the actual military that wear a skirt like THAT:

3.Her defualt dress in battle is armor.

A very dignified looking one, as displayed above...

[dreman9999]

Nyoka wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

No, we're talking about a version of star trek's green space babes. Because that's what the Asari are, according to the guy who created the Asari.

What you've been doing in this thread is nothing but a posteriori handwaving and rationalizations to excuse design decisions that have nothing to do with such excuses.

Oh, please. It's a role playing game, we take the universe as it is and react to it. If we stop and question every design of every character, we lose that aspect of roleplaying. Reguardless, to how the asari were design and why, in the end based on the lore they are still an alien race with a complete different consept of sexual behavior and ideals.

You mean you are going to ignore the real reasons why those characters are designed the way they are. You are going to dismiss the words of their creators, because you prefer to make up your own explanations which, despite having nothing to do with reality, suit better your imagination.

Ok.

I'm not really interested in talking with people that detached from reality.

If you want to talk about how they made them too sexy, bring the males into the conversation as well which you have been avoiding.

Show me a crotch window in a male uniform, especially in an old male who's supposed to be a sage and a religious leader for his people, like I showed you the huge boob window of Matriarch Benezia.

1.Sorry, but this is a role playing game. Do we really stop and ask why a person is design like that during the game? It not like their isn't a male version of an open clevege in ME...
 Seriously, why has this been brought up yet?
2. I can easily post a pick of that from DA: O.

[dreman9999]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...]
1.It's an alliance uniform no matter how you cut it. It even has a S1 Alliance ranking on it.

You didn't answer my question, if it's an official alliance uniform, why is Ashley Williams the only person in the galaxy who wears it? This "S1 Alliance" thing is just ridiculous, you could also put this tag on a wedding dress...

 

Oh yes, please take a look at the following picture and show me a picture of women in the actual military that wear a skirt like THAT:

3.Her defualt dress in battle is armor.

A very dignified looking one, as displayed above...

1. And she is wear pants under that skirt, too.. How is that skimpy?
2. Let's forget that this armor is her deflault armor...
 

[Apfelweinbrauer]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. And she is wear pants under that skirt, too.. How is that skimpy?

The mere fact that you are asking me this convinces me that you watch way too much porn for your own good.

By the way:
You didn't answer my question, if it's an official alliance uniform, why
is Ashley Williams the only person in the galaxy who wears it?

Modifié par Apfelweinbrauer, 13 juin 2012 - 01:49 .

[agu123]

dreman9999 wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Why is it immature to be attracted to someone physically?

It isn't immature at all.

However, I agree that some of the character outfits are ridiculous, a lot of them somehow manage to cheapen the characters. Look at how the OP talks about Miranda, for instance.

But that is explain in detail in the story.

I'd say "justified" instead of "explained in detail".

Modifié par agu123, 13 juin 2012 - 01:51 .

[dreman9999]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. And she is wear pants under that skirt, too.. How is that skimpy?

The mere fact that you are asking me this convinces me that you watch way too much porn for your own good.

By the way:
You didn't answer my question, if it's an official alliance uniform, why
is Ashley Williams the only person in the galaxy who wears it?

1. Whatyou said made no sense. You had yet to show hows that is skimpy.
2. The same reasom why Shepard is the only person you see int he galexy wearing his/her armor.

Modifié par dreman9999, 13 juin 2012 - 02:05 .

[dreman9999]

agu123 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Why is it immature to be attracted to someone physically?

It isn't immature at all.

However, I agree that some of the character outfits are ridiculous, a lot of them somehow manage to cheapen the characters. Look at how the OP talks about Miranda, for instance.

But that is explain in detail in the story.

I'd say "justified" instead of "explained in detail".

But that basicly the same thing. It may not be in detail but it is explained.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Whatyou said made no sense. You had yet to show hows that is skimpy.

Just read it again, you will understand it sooner or later...

2. The same reasom why Shepard is the only person you see int he galexy wearing his/her armor.

I never claimed that this makes any sense, so why would I defend a point I never made?

By the way:

You didn't answer my question, if it's an official alliance uniform, why
is Ashley Williams the only person in the galaxy who wears it?

[dreman9999]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Whatyou said made no sense. You had yet to show hows that is skimpy.

Just read it again, you will understand it sooner or later...

2. The same reasom why Shepard is the only person you see int he galexy wearing his/her armor.

I never claimed that this makes any sense, so why would I defend a point I never made?

By the way:

You didn't answer my question, if it's an official alliance uniform, why
is Ashley Williams the only person in the galaxy who wears it?

1.Skimpy...
http://www.thefreedi...nary.com/skimpy 
 (Clothing & Fashion) (of clothes, etc.) made of too little material; scanty 

If she is wearing pants...Armored pants that is...How is here outfit made of too little material?
2. As I said...The same reason why SHepard is the only one with his/her uniform.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.Skimpy...
http://www.thefreedi...nary.com/skimpy 
 (Clothing & Fashion) (of clothes, etc.) made of too little material; scanty 

If she is wearing pants...Armored pants that is...How is here outfit made of too little material?

Armored, skin-tight pants combined with a delightfully short "skirt" (its pretty much the size of a belt) that conveniently non-covers her ass, indeed, how is that too little material?

2. As I said...The same reason why SHepard is the only one with his/her uniform.

You could simply just admit that there is no reason for it besides blatant fanservice...

Modifié par Apfelweinbrauer, 13 juin 2012 - 02:28 .

[dreman9999]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.Skimpy...
http://www.thefreedi...nary.com/skimpy 
 (Clothing & Fashion) (of clothes, etc.) made of too little material; scanty 

If she is wearing pants...Armored pants that is...How is here outfit made of too little material?

Armored, skin-tight pants combined with a delightfully short "skirt" (its pretty much the size of a belt) that conveniently non-covers her ass, indeed, how is that too little material?

2. As I said...The same reason why SHepard is the only one with his/her uniform.

You could simply just admit that there is no eason for it besides blatant fanservice...

How is that little material if it covers everything....And No, her suit doesn't expose anything...
 In fact, it completly conseals her rear.

2.^That's fans service? What does it expose?

[Armass81]

Next sidegame: Mass Effect: Virmire Beach Volleyball.

Modifié par Armass81, 13 juin 2012 - 02:47 .

[dreman9999]

Armass81 wrote...

Next sidegame: Mass Effect: Virmire Beach Volleyball.

...With an all male cast.

[Kyneris]

I don't mind Mass Effect being sexy, I just don't like it being sexy to a point where it becomes rediculous/unrealistic. Ever do the Collector ship mission (not the Suicide mission) with Jack and/or Samara and/or Miranda ? They just wear a small piece of plastic to cover their mouths even though they are in what is pretty much open space. That's just stupid imo. Things like that really break immersion for me.

Also, I think BioWare should do more with squadmate outfits in the future. Let us choose between 4-5 of them for each character. Having Liara in one outfit in Paragon run and another in a Renegade run adds to feel/immersion of each playthrough imo. But I guess that's a discussion for another thread.

Modifié par Kyneris, 13 juin 2012 - 03:06 .

[Comguard2]

Problem with Bioware-Sexy: they really have problems designing faces. UE3 seems to be part of the problem, but the faces of Ashley and Miranda always looked a bit creepy.

In General, the quality of facial animation was imo worse in ME3. They tried to make them more realistic I guess, but the result was, in my eyes, a creepy expression. Joker is another example.

So nothing against sexyness in games, but well executed please.

[M Hedonist]

dreman9999 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

No, we're talking about a version of star trek's green space babes. Because that's what the Asari are, according to the guy who created the Asari.

What you've been doing in this thread is nothing but a posteriori handwaving and rationalizations to excuse design decisions that have nothing to do with such excuses.

Oh, please. It's a role playing game, we take the universe as it is and react to it. If we stop and question every design of every character, we lose that aspect of roleplaying. Reguardless, to how the asari were design and why, in the end based on the lore they are still an alien race with a complete different consept of sexual behavior and ideals.

You mean you are going to ignore the real reasons why those characters are designed the way they are. You are going to dismiss the words of their creators, because you prefer to make up your own explanations which, despite having nothing to do with reality, suit better your imagination.

Ok.

I'm not really interested in talking with people that detached from reality.

If you want to talk about how they made them too sexy, bring the males into the conversation as well which you have been avoiding.

Show me a crotch window in a male uniform, especially in an old male who's supposed to be a sage and a religious leader for his people, like I showed you the huge boob window of Matriarch Benezia.

1.Sorry, but this is a role playing game. Do we really stop and ask why a person is design like that during the game? It not like their isn't a male version of an open clevege in ME...
 Seriously, why has this been brought up yet?
2. I can easily post a pick of that from DA: O.

To be fair, I always thought Thane had a cleavage window so his skin can breathe or something. I always figured it had something to do with his condition.

[dreman9999]

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

No, we're talking about a version of star trek's green space babes. Because that's what the Asari are, according to the guy who created the Asari.

What you've been doing in this thread is nothing but a posteriori handwaving and rationalizations to excuse design decisions that have nothing to do with such excuses.

Oh, please. It's a role playing game, we take the universe as it is and react to it. If we stop and question every design of every character, we lose that aspect of roleplaying. Reguardless, to how the asari were design and why, in the end based on the lore they are still an alien race with a complete different consept of sexual behavior and ideals.

You mean you are going to ignore the real reasons why those characters are designed the way they are. You are going to dismiss the words of their creators, because you prefer to make up your own explanations which, despite having nothing to do with reality, suit better your imagination.

Ok.

I'm not really interested in talking with people that detached from reality.

If you want to talk about how they made them too sexy, bring the males into the conversation as well which you have been avoiding.

Show me a crotch window in a male uniform, especially in an old male who's supposed to be a sage and a religious leader for his people, like I showed you the huge boob window of Matriarch Benezia.

1.Sorry, but this is a role playing game. Do we really stop and ask why a person is design like that during the game? It not like their isn't a male version of an open clevege in ME...
 Seriously, why has this been brought up yet?
2. I can easily post a pick of that from DA: O.

To be fair, I always thought Thane had a cleavage window so his skin can breathe or something. I always figured it had something to do with his condition.

But ,like how some people pointed out with some characters, isn't that an excuse for some fans service?(Really I don't care one way or another. I'm just pointing out that most of the points on the fact they made females sexy can be pointed at the males as well.)

[jules_vern18]

The overt sexualization of characters is not just in the OP's head and the presence of some less-attractive characters does not disprove the point.

Why else would ashley and liara each grow a full cup size with each passing game?

[clarkusdarkus]

i actually want them to be over sexualised, im a perv like that but in all seriousness, as graphics, texture's,lighting etc get better i dont see anything wrong with it in games as its everywhere else in the world anyway. Easy way to resolve it is in RPG'S, allow for character customisation like in ME1 so u can equip whatever u want on squadmates. which ironicaly was EA's doing with ME2/3 as they had default armour.

[Mgamerz]

This is how my story in ME3 went:

http://gifsoup.com/i...?id=3616997&t=o

Modifié par Mgamerz, 13 juin 2012 - 04:30 .

[EricHVela]

UE3 takes a large bit of coding for accommodating detailed customization over a series of static configurations. There are some facial configurations in the ME series that cause small, but noticeable rendering errors. Full body customization could be a nightmare to code in UE3 just to avoid that in a larger scale. It's just easier to have a select set of body shapes than an entire spectrum of them.

It would not surprise me, though, for marketing geeks to push a "sexier" selection of Human body types for sales.

We'll see how UE4 turns out, but the trickle of info I've found suggest to me that they focused more on rendering environmental stuff than pawn customizations in UE4.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 13 juin 2012 - 04:30 .

[Baa Baa]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Seeing that Tali's face was done from the face of a super model was really disheartening for me, and almost ruined the reason why I cared for this character.

I totally agree with you here. I wanted and expected Tali to be cute but I didn't really want her to look like a supermodel.
Although it does seem like too many characters in games seem perfect looking, Mass Effect has an excuse for it, being that the game takes place in the future and the majority of the primary characters are soldiers that would eat well and have a rigorous exercise routine.
It seems like Rockstar is the only company that gets it right in my eyes. They make their main characters look human, with flaws, but they also include characters that are intended to be beautiful, yet you can also pick out a few flaws. It makes every character in those games feel real. That's one of the reasons I love their games.

Modifié par Baa Baa, 13 juin 2012 - 04:39 .