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[donosaur]

I only play Silver really, but I've never seen anybody try to farm FBW using the control room camp method. Ever. Do people only do this on gold?

[Osmethne]

I ended up in one of these yesterday...with an N-Level 7200(something) Infiltrator who wouldn't do the Disable/Enable Objectives.

So I had to truck around doing them on a sentinel.

:|

Modifié par Osmethne, 13 juin 2012 - 04:33 .

[Master Xanthan]

Someone With Mass wrote...

To be really honest, I'm mostly screwing up out of pure spite.

If you don't like Firebase White/Geth/Gold, then back out of the lobby before the match starts instead of ruining it for the people who do want to play.

[Beerfish]

IAMREALITY wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

To be really honest, I'm mostly screwing up out of pure spite.

That is called grieving and you can be banned for it.

This would be IMPOSSIBLE to prove in this case.  A player playing a level in a normal fashion while the rest of the team is exploiting a map set up for cheap credits?

[Beerfish]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

To be really honest, I'm mostly screwing up out of pure spite.

If you don't like Firebase White/Geth/Gold, then back out of the lobby before the match starts instead of ruining it for the people who do want to play.

Change 'play' into 'farm' and you may have it correct.  One problem for me is that I am just trying to start playing gold and trying to learn how to play on that level.  Probably 7  or 8 out of ten random gold attemtps land me in a FBWGG game.

[Babbylonian]

donosaur wrote...

I only play Silver really, but I've never seen anybody try to farm FBW using the control room camp method. Ever. Do people only do this on gold?

They certainly shouldn't.  The only spawn point I find problematic during a silver FBW match is the landing pad, and even that's just a matter of being aware that it's going to pop (so many people seem to forget about it while they're sniping from next to the upper ladder).  Everything else can be pretty much handled "off the cuff" by players of average experience/intelligence.

[VRtheTrooper]

farming is easy. i only do it when in need for creds.

but when you have people that don't know what they are doing, you get flanked/overrun.. this makes fbwgg a nightmare. (even though its still somewhat easier than other gold matches).

i feel that its an easy concept. if everyone works as a team, it can be finished in about 20 minutes. (i know it can be completed faster if you hit spawns, but thats not the point of farming on fbwgg.)

[Halo Quea]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

To be really honest, I'm mostly screwing up out of pure spite.

If you don't like Firebase White/Geth/Gold, then back out of the lobby before the match starts instead of ruining it for the people who do want to play.

This is why I don't play any Gold maps with randoms anymore.  

[VRtheTrooper]

Beerfish wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

To be really honest, I'm mostly screwing up out of pure spite.

If you don't like Firebase White/Geth/Gold, then back out of the lobby before the match starts instead of ruining it for the people who do want to play.

Change 'play' into 'farm' and you may have it correct.  One problem for me is that I am just trying to start playing gold and trying to learn how to play on that level.  Probably 7  or 8 out of ten random gold attemtps land me in a FBWGG game.

really? i rarely end up in fbwgg when i search for UUG. but i always say, if i wan creds i farm; if i want to have fun, i'll host. 

[Cornrow Jezus]

I've joined games where people are doing it wrong. I just go with the flow though because if everyone dies it's usually after we get the objective on Wave 10. Some people catch on to the "right" way after a few waves however

[xROLLxTIDEx]

 So..  You are telling me that I am a liability to the team when I play my human adept outside, like this:

www.youtube.com/watch

I can play here all day without getting over-run and with the new shockwave buff.. I can hit EVERYTHING that you can while you sit inside behind your counters.  Hell I can even hit them when they come down the stairs inside without even see'ing them.  But if you think I'm a liabilty to you, I'll leave.

[ckriley]

thecrunked wrote...

 I am about to lose my mind here, I cannot for the life of me understand how people cannot perform this mission with ease. Every single time I play it, I see 1 or 2 of the same stupid mistakes every time that always jeopordizes the mission.

70% of the time, there is always an idiot camping the outside area behind the divider near the ammo crate in the back of the map (outside and behind a little bit from the main camping room). WTF is wrong with these people?!?! They not going to get as many points as everyone else (not that it matters anyway) because they are not in the LoS of the interior, so they can only really focus on 1 area of enemies. By doing this, you cut yourself of to the rest of the team, once you go down, usually another idiot runs over to help you and you both get over-taken. Now there is only 2 people in the control room, who are at a disadvantage. It also creates a flanking situation, because you are drawing the enemies behind the rest of the team, once you inevitably die or are forced to retreat, then it brings the rest of the enemies attacking you to the back door, so the team gets attacked on another front. Also, the divider isn't even really wide enough to get grabs, enemies will usually just go around side of it once they get close, so that isn't really a viable option either.

30% of the time there is an idiot (usually with 1000k+ N7) who things he's the ****, running up the stairs and all over the map. Guess what, your not Rambo, and when you go down 3 times on round 2, I won't be jeoprdizing the mission and my teammates to save your dumb ass just to go down right next to you.

The worst part about these idiots is that while you and your team are carrying them through the mission, you or somebody else will be fooled into ressing them, and they almost never will pick you back up the 1 or 2 times you go down. No, instead they will stick to their idiotic "tactics" and let you bleed out, only to go down in 2 minutes.

These idiots are also typically without mic's, and usually the infiltrator of the group who doesn't capture objectives, or the salarian engineer who either doesn't use decoy, or does outside to help draw enemies toward your flank.

This tactic has been around since the beginning of the game, how the hell do i get matched up with morons that do this stuff EVERY SINGLE TIME I play FBWGG

You know what?  I think I can actually answer this.  Yesterday or the day before, I made a friendly thread on here trying to give some basic pointers on how to do this map.  I gave almost the EXACT SAME pointers that you gave and tried to explain this was the best way to have a successful mision if you're just starting out on FBWGG.

Know what I was met by?

A DELUGE OF POSTS ridiculing me for cheesing the map.  Saying that isn't the proper way to do it and that using that strategy is taking advantage of an AI glitch.  I really do believe that that is the reason why we are seeing so many new players refuse to adhere to this basic strategy which as been proven to work since the beginning.

So many elitists on here say things like "everytime I see people run down to the camping room, I quit the mission or ROFL at them."  So these new players to our community go into FBWGG thinking they should play it the exact way they play it on bronze or silver, and then, surprise, they wipe on wave 5.

I'll say it again, if you're new to FBWGG, do it the freaking way both myself and the OP decribed it.  It's the PROVEN way to beat it.  Ignore the elitists.

[Someone With Mass]

Beerfish wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

To be really honest, I'm mostly screwing up out of pure spite.

That is called grieving and you can be banned for it.

This would be IMPOSSIBLE to prove in this case.  A player playing a level in a normal fashion while the rest of the team is exploiting a map set up for cheap credits?

Especially when those lobbies are everywhere.

I sure as hell won't try my best or waste any equipment on them if I join during a match. I also tend to do something hasty because I HATE how everyone just sits down there with their thumbs up their asses and are not even trying to help, which breaks my concentration.

Well, that and people that are trying to tell me how to "properly" farm and use my equipment/powers while not doing anything themselves, like the nagging backseat drivers they are. That just serves to annoy me and nothing else.

[MaximilianPower]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

FBWGG - Why are people still playing this? It's by far the worst farm you can do. It takes no skill, and it's twice as long as Cerberus/Glacier or Reaper/Glacier.

Pretty sure you answered your own question. This is precisely why people play it.

[Manuel La Bor]

ckriley wrote...



A DELUGE OF POSTS ridiculing me for cheesing the map.  Saying that isn't the proper way to do it and that using that strategy is taking advantage of an AI glitch.  I really do believe that that is the reason why we are seeing so many new players refuse to adhere to this basic strategy which as been proven to work since the beginning.

So many elitists on here say things like "everytime I see people run down to the camping room, I quit the mission or ROFL at them."  So these new players to our community go into FBWGG thinking they should play it the exact way they play it on bronze or silver, and then, surprise, they wipe on wave 5.

I'll say it again, if you're new to FBWGG, do it the freaking way both myself and the OP decribed it.  It's the PROVEN way to beat it.  Ignore the elitists.

I have no problems with doing it a few times, but you are kidding yourself if you think that farming teaches newbies how to effectively beat gold. Both ways are proven to work, one takes a long time (farming) but is relatively easy with a few spikes of difficulty (hacking, 4 objs, pizza delivery) The other is a bit harder, but generally goes by a lot faster. 

When I first started playing this game, my friends and I couldn't get past wave 3 of bronze. A month in and we were then wiping on silver but still getting it mostly done, now were playing gold and maybe wiping 1/10 of the time. Wiping on wave 5 isn't a bad thing. It just means you need to learn from your mistakes and tighten up your playstyle more. Farming doesn't allow for that, when you go from silver to farming it's not that much of a difficulty hike, but when you go from farming to gold then you have no idea what to do. Farming doesn't prepare you for the realities of gold play and that is just wrong because most people will just go back to farming because it is easy credits. 

[FellishBeast]

I feel you, OP. What's even more frustrating is that I made new friends on Live and we do a FBWGG and they run and camp at the top of the ladder making me go "wtaf" I thought you were decent players. I just consider the usual FBWGG strategy to be a solid and dependable one if you're looking to make money and guarantee a win. It's not a bout proving anything or having fun. But I do expect everyone to know how to do it. Is that possible or likely? Probably not, but idgaf. I feel the rage within you, and it makes you strong.

[Necrotron]

Usually it just takes two decent players in the base camp to do it properly. I don't worry too much if a rambo goes off and gets killed and someone camps the outside.

*shrug* These are random people, if it's really bad, just queue up a new game and hope for a better assortment of people.

[spaceling]

There really is no skill to farming. Sorry if I offend those that think so. That said, I'm thinking that the outsiders don't care to farm, which is why they don't camp inside. It's not about them not knowing how to farm... they just don't want to.

[Stabby Badger]

I actually love getting the occasional kroguard or something that runs around the map killing stuff. I was following this krogan around with my vorcha just burning everything down with my reegar while he face-tanked all the enemies. I'm not sure much of anything even got down to the two guys camping in the normal room. It was way more fun than the standard camping.

It does make me wonder if the kroguard was having as much fun as I was or if he was raging at the jerk vorcha following him around killing all his mobs though. XD

[Edalborez]

The room is boring. I'd rather take a little risk and finish a little faster by coming to a prime position where I don't have to wait/"compete" for kills. If I ever wanted to do FBWGG again.

Plus I see a lot of people ignore the strategy (or play it to such a point that they don't revive other people in the room), so I go with the flow of ignorance.

Modifié par Edalborez, 13 juin 2012 - 05:10 .

[Jernau11]

Manuel La Bor wrote...

Maybe just play the game instead of relying on grab to do the work for you.

Actually a lot of fbwgg missions minimally use grab. Not that you'd know because your just re-spewing the rhetoric you've heard. 

To the OP: there is a legitimate reason to camp the outside L, it is however tricky a **** and not recommended for 99% of the players out there. If you'd like to know more about it I explain it here:

http://social.biowar.../index/12422645

[Babbylonian]

spaceling wrote...

There really is no skill to farming. Sorry if I offend those that think so. That said, I'm thinking that the outsiders don't care to farm, which is why they don't camp inside. It's not about them not knowing how to farm... they just don't want to.

There's little skill to farming (I don't know who's going around claming it takes a lot).  It also takes little skill for one person to ruin the farm of the other three players.

It's been said before, it'll be said again (including now):  If you don't want to farm FBWGG, leave the lobby.  If you get dropped into a FBWGG farm match in progress (easily identified because the other 3 people will be in the lower room waiting for/killing geth) and don't want to participate, leave the game.

It may take an extra couple minutes to find a non-FBWGG lobby if you don't want to host, but that's little different from any other multiplayer game where server options vary but many people favor a particular setup.

As far as I can tell, your post was made only in an attempt to offend.

[thecrunked]

i don't know why so many people are upset about those who farm creds on FBWGG, i'm not forcing others to play it, nor an i saying i do it for any reason other than easy credits. i still play random gold matches, but sometimes i just want to farm credits and FBWGG is USUALLY an easy 20-25 minutes (assuming you have coherent teammates with thumbs)

Shampoohorn wrote...

A) New at the strategy
New at the game
C) Don't care for farming
D) Trolling farmers
E) Suck at game


"jeoprdizing the mission and my teammates" Whatever. By acknowledging you're farming, you're admitting that your goal for playing the match is entirely for credits. There is no mission. There are no teammates at that point.

the mission is actually to get as many credits as quickly as possible, bad teammates make this more difficult to accomplish

Manuel La Bor wrote...

Maybe just play the game instead of relying on grab to do the work for you.

I am just stating that yet another reason why it is stupid to camp in the back outside area

Drawrof wrote...

Babbylonian wrote...

I'm also confused by the logic of those who try to camp the outside. The best-case scenario is that you get a couple of extra shots on primes before they come back into view of the far inside counter and maybe kill a couple of rocket troopers early, neither of which is particularly useful. It's also perplexing that non-SEs won't switch counters when the action shifts from inside to outside; if outside primes aren't significantly weakened before they make the move to come in, the team is at significant risk that the prime will forget about the decoy and start killing players over cover.

Generally, I'd rather play straight-up U/U/G (though it may take a few failures to find a good team), but if I decide to join into a lobby where FBWGG is selected I absolutely expect the team to use the most efficient strategy. If a team wants to freestyle, there's no point in selecting the farming configuration.

Efficient? You mean easiest. I would say efficient would include speed and there are many faster ways to run fbwgg then camping the lower office. Any strategy that does not attack the spawn but rather waits for a slow enemy match can never be considered efficient.

congrats for you, but as far as i am concerned, there is no better (both by success ratio and time wise) than a good team taking ~18 minutes to finish with the farming tactic

GordianKnot42 wrote...

Question, since the topic is out there: I haven't done FBWGG since the Retrieval objective has been added. Is there an agreed-upon tactic? Does everyone guard the carrier? Or does one person try to do it clandestinely?

I have found that 2 people going for the retrieve mission works well, one to carry and one to draw attention away if needed, the other 2 should just hold down the fort in the basement