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[sunnydxmen]

Morrigan is not human like her mother it would explain things why she want to possessed morrigan she need a body younger for herself this would be okay if she was human but she not ,whether if morrigan is trying to usurp her and take control, so she uses the warden to do it for her so she can take her mother spot as some higher being. it was implied by flemeth that this was not the first time too morrigan does not have the power to beat her so she asks the warden to make a God child for her .so she can raise the kid up and train her to take on flemeth once full mature morrigan will possessed The God child so she can use its power to take on flemeth to take her role whatever that is.

[Fast Jimmy]

...except Morrigan isn't actually the daughter of Flemeth. It is strongly implied that Morrigan was stolen, possibly for the Chasind. So Morrigan is human.

[sunnydxmen]

You don't know that for sure though do it is all mysterious like flemeth and morrigan.

[hussey 92]

I'm going to have to go with Fast Jimmy on this. Also the Robes of Possesion prove Flemeth was trying to posses Morrigan

[batlin]

Morrigan spells out for you that Flemeth raises stolen daughters to be witches (because the more powerful the witch the more easily they can be possessed) and transfers herself into them once her body becomes decrepit.

Flemeth's body is human, but her soul isn't. Morrigan is human.

[wsandista]

I disagree with the OP, and suggest that(s)he use proper punctuation and avoid run-on sentences, the post is a bit difficult to read.

[Plaintiff]

I never saw anything that implied Morrigan was stolen as a child. I always just assumed that Flemeth's physical human form was human ENOUGH to allow interbreeding.

She's a shapeshifter, isn't she? With the right partner, maybe she could have any kind of baby she wants.

[wsandista]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

^^^ Then that means you skipped over the entire scene where Morrigan explains what she reads in Flemeth's Grimoire.

And the dialoue where Morrigan speculates she was stolen as a child.

[LuvPoison]

Did you guys just spread throught the whole game???

From what I understood, Flemeth had a child, raised her to be strong, and when her body was too old or weak, she took over. So Flemeth is her own.... great great great great great great great great great great great granddaughter.

If not. Well, \\0.0/

[LuvPoison]

Also! From what I remember or noticed. The mages didn't refer to them selves as being human.

[Plaintiff]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

^^^ Then that means you skipped over the entire scene where Morrigan explains what she reads in Flemeth's Grimoire.

I didn't skip ****, but please continue to be arrogant about your encyclopedic knowledge of videogames, because lord knows I can never get enough of internet circlejerking.

All that we learn from that scene is that Flemeth raises a daughter and then possesses her. It's not stated whether she steals them or gives birth to them herself, so either possibility is equally valid.

If Flemeth possesses human girls, then her body is human, and unless explicitly stated otherwise, more than capable of producing human offspring.

[batlin]

Plaintiff wrote...

I didn't skip ****, but please continue to be arrogant about your encyclopedic knowledge of videogames, because lord knows I can never get enough of internet circlejerking.

All that we learn from that scene is that Flemeth raises a daughter and then possesses her. It's not stated whether she steals them or gives birth to them herself, so either possibility is equally valid.

If Flemeth possesses human girls, then her body is human, and unless explicitly stated otherwise, more than capable of producing human offspring.

Dude, It's heavily implied that Flemeth either steals daughters or seduces men so she herself can bear one. There's absolutely no evidence at all that suggests she can impregnate herself.

Like, seriously bro.

Also I would guess she steals them rather than bear them herself. Flemeth doesn't care about morality so stealing daughters makes more sense. 1, she doesn't have to wait 9 months to get it, 2, she doesn't have to deal with pregnency, 3, she seems to only want daughters so if there's 50/50 chance she has a boy that means on average she's have to wait 13.5 months for a girl, and 4, disposing of baby boys can be, well, messy.

Modifié par batlin, 14 juin 2012 - 07:03 .

[sunnydxmen]

So the only evidence that morrigan was stolen is from morrigan who could be lying and I think she is lying.

[batlin]

sunnydxmen wrote...

So the only evidence that morrigan was stolen is from morrigan who could be lying and I think she is lying.

And all those tales about how witches of the wild steal children.

Modifié par batlin, 14 juin 2012 - 05:17 .

[brushyourteeth]

If Morrigan knows/suspects that Flemeth isn't her real mother, why does she get so touchy when Alistair says during banter that she and Flemeth look alike?

Morrigan also says that it was routine when she was growing up for Flemeth to invite/ensorcel male guests back at the hut. Why bother with sex if you're not human and/or can't produce kids? The witches of the wilds are always reputed to be great beauty's too, as was Flemeth. 'Course she could use magical means to ensure that they're attractive, but I was really under the impression that Morrigan was actually hers.

[Cirram55]

brushyourteeth wrote...

If Morrigan knows/suspects that Flemeth isn't her real mother, why does she get so touchy when Alistair says during banter that she and Flemeth look alike?

Morrigan also says that it was routine when she was growing up for Flemeth to invite/ensorcel male guests back at the hut. Why bother with sex if you're not human and/or can't produce kids? The witches of the wilds are always reputed to be great beauty's too, as was Flemeth. 'Course she could use magical means to ensure that they're attractive, but I was really under the impression that Morrigan was actually hers.

Yet, in DAII, when you reach the peak of Sundermount with Merrill for the first time, you can clearly ask Flemmy about not knowing if Morrigan is her enemy more than her daughter. She answers "Neither is she".

So Morrigan might have been more probably stolen, even though Flemeth says that she has "better things to do" during the end of the prologue.

After two games there's still nothing sure about their relationship, so I guess it will be left to fan imagination and speculation. I don't know.

Modifié par Cirram55, 14 juin 2012 - 07:24 .

[Scarlet Rabbi]

It is heavily implied Morrigan was stolen as a baby by Flemeth in DAO.

If that wasn't concrete enough just like Cirram55 said at the alter atop Sundermount in DA2, Flemeth clearly states that Morrigan is neither her daughter nor her enemy.

[Jerrybnsn]

She could have been stolen...or she could be the sister of Alistair!! DA-DA-DUHN!!!

[brushyourteeth]

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

It is heavily implied Morrigan was stolen as a baby by Flemeth in DAO.

If that wasn't concrete enough just like Cirram55 said at the alter atop Sundermount in DA2, Flemeth clearly states that Morrigan is neither her daughter nor her enemy.

I totally respect your theory, although we both know that Flemeth never ever "clearly states" anything.

[sunnydxmen]

Flemeth and morrigan are both liars and skilled at it you cant really trust anything they say, they could be working with either pretending to be enemies.

[M0RD3CA1 VII]

I'm fairly certain that Morrigan is a Chasind child stolen by Flemeth, many things within the game point to that being the case. Flemeth steals children who posess, raises them as her own, then steals their body.

Fact is, she probably wanted Morrigan to have the Old God baby so that when she posesses Morrigan, she can then in turn posess the child and gain even more power. It's an idea at least.