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rapscallioness wrote...
@faerunner: they do look more fawn like, but you're the one associating a derogatory perception with that. You're the one that sees "dirty animals". They don't conform to your idea of beauty. An idea you would impose on them. So, they're dirty animals to you. That sounds like a personal problem.
No, elves were treated like dirty animals and then BioWare turned around and made them look more like animals.
Not only that, they were made to look like herd animals that humans hunt and subjugate. Unfortunate implications.
And I think they're ugly besides.
rapscallioness wrote...
Yes, to me anything other than DAO's design of elves is automatically better. It was a bland, boring, unimaginative design.
I do not want you to have your wish. I do not want them to go back to the suburban mom elf look. If they improve on the design, great. But no, I don't want them to go back to that generic design.
Either-or logical fallacy.
Is it not possible in your mind for us both to get our wish: for the elves to still look more distinct from humans as you want (as any design besides DA:O will do), while still having a different design from the one that I find so abhorrent (as the current DA2 design is what looks so offensive to me)? No, of course not.
rapscallioness wrote...
And then? So what. You want to argue back and forth with me about what I think is better? Show me the error of my ways because it's not what you think?
Funny, I could ask you the same thing.
rapscallioness wrote...
You want to RP an attractive elf as a PC. Cool. Me, too. That I understand. It's the only real thing you've said.
No, it's the only thing I've said that you choose to interpret as "real" just because you agree with it.
My opinions are very real. If you want to dismiss them as "unreal" just because you don't agree with them, it's your call.
rapscallioness wrote...
All this extrapolation, and correlation of the art design with some blow to the progress of minorities everywhere in the real, larger society..it's too much. You read too much into it, I say.
Especially considering that you're the one that harbors the negative view. You look at them; you see hideous animals...and the first thing you think of is minorities in the real world?
You willfully misinterpret my words. From the very beginning, Thedas elves were given historical, cultural, social, and lifestyle similarities to many real-world minorities. (City elves have cultural and lifestyle similarities to Jews and African Americans living in walled-off ghettos. The Dalish have cultural and lifestyle similarities to Romani and Native Americans in terms of a nomadic lifestyle and trying to hold onto the last of their heritage after being displaced in their own land for generations by a foreign power. All the elves' history of discrimination and subjugation is similar to many real people's discrimination and subjugation.)
Minorities are often treated as subhuman animals, and elves in the game are treated as subhuman animals. BioWare kept the historical and cultural similarities, but turned around and made them look and move more like animals. This makes me viscerally uncomfortable, especially since elves are treated like dumb herd animals and BioWare made them look like herd animals (with features that can be found on deer, sheep, cattle, donkeys, etc).
I repeat: The elves had shades of real-world minorities that were treated like animals first, THEN BioWare turned around and made them physically look more like animals second. (While simultaneously removing the option to have an elven protagonist, and downplaying their plight). This bothers me.
(Though making them look hideous on top of that just adds insult to injury in my book, but ugliness alone is not the injury.)
If you don't agree, it's your prerogative, but please don't twist my words around so you can dismiss a point I never made.
I see Elves. Elves that look a darn sight better than the generic stuff they tried to pass off in DA:O.
Let them improve on it if they care to, but I do not want to go back to the human looking Elves. That's it. Period.
That's your opinion, and it's your prerogative to have your opinion.
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hate men, pitches of ****... 
If Sauron took an elven form looking like this, I doubt he would be able to corrupt numenoreans. They would say: KILL IT! KILL IT!
