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 Because Humans in reality envey all people that having something they don't. Some people do horrible things to people that have beauty, like cutting their hair and sometimes throwing acid on their faces or stabbing them to deathin the wood, also rape is a common one. If there was someone better you in everyway you know you would be jealous....


If humans envy what the elves have..."beauty" then that just means that humans lack the qualifications to be "beautiful" so...elves shouldn't look anything like humans...because if they didn't they would be attractive to them. 

Are we still talking about the elves attractiveness, I feel like we've strayed a bit.

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Fact: Alexandrine Delassixe is biased


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Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Lord Athena wrote...

 Because Humans in reality envey all people that having something they don't. Some people do horrible things to people that have beauty, like cutting their hair and sometimes throwing acid on their faces or stabbing them to deathin the wood, also rape is a common one. If there was someone better you in everyway you know you would be jealous....


If humans envy what the elves have..."beauty" then that just means that humans lack the qualifications to be "beautiful" so...elves shouldn't look anything like humans...because if they didn't they would be attractive to them. 

Are we still talking about the elves attractiveness, I feel like we've strayed a bit.


LOL you have totally lost me, what does that crap mean in english?

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Yes we are, until BioWare says HEY ATHENA we listened to your crys and we have made them look attractive again.

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Lord Athena wrote...

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Lord Athena wrote...

 Because Humans in reality envey all people that having something they don't. Some people do horrible things to people that have beauty, like cutting their hair and sometimes throwing acid on their faces or stabbing them to deathin the wood, also rape is a common one. If there was someone better you in everyway you know you would be jealous....


If humans envy what the elves have..."beauty" then that just means that humans lack the qualifications to be "beautiful" so...elves shouldn't look anything like humans...because if they didn't they would be attractive to them. 

Are we still talking about the elves attractiveness, I feel like we've strayed a bit.


LOL you have totally lost me, what does that crap mean in english?


It's okay, honey. Just keep posting Sexy Elf pictures.

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Actually, can we stop just posting wall after wall of random elves (and even completely unrelated) images? I do feel like this could have been an interesting conversation, but every comment is buffered by a scrolling wall of endless nonsense. And even as it is, not every one of those comments is actually helpful or insightful (as per the internet norm).

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Maclimes wrote...

Actually, can we stop just posting wall after wall of random elves (and even completely unrelated) images? I do feel like this could have been an interesting conversation, but every comment is buffered by a scrolling wall of endless nonsense. And even as it is, not every one of those comments is actually helpful or insightful (as per the internet norm).


You thought "Why don't I find the elves attractive anymore! Turn them back into mini-humans" would be an interesting conversation?

No shade to the rest of you. 

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Maclimes wrote...

Actually, can we stop just posting wall after wall of random elves (and even completely unrelated) images? I do feel like this could have been an interesting conversation, but every comment is buffered by a scrolling wall of endless nonsense. And even as it is, not every one of those comments is actually helpful or insightful (as per the internet norm).


I think we have a grumpy dwarf on the fourm guys :lol:

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And to answer your question never :P

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Lord Athena wrote...
 
*snip* 


This is against forum rules...right?

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Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Lord Athena wrote...

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Lord Athena wrote...

 Because Humans in reality envey all people that having something they don't. Some people do horrible things to people that have beauty, like cutting their hair and sometimes throwing acid on their faces or stabbing them to deathin the wood, also rape is a common one. If there was someone better you in everyway you know you would be jealous....


If humans envy what the elves have..."beauty" then that just means that humans lack the qualifications to be "beautiful" so...elves shouldn't look anything like humans...because if they didn't they would be attractive to them. 

Are we still talking about the elves attractiveness, I feel like we've strayed a bit.


LOL you have totally lost me, what does that crap mean in english?


It's okay, honey. Just keep posting Sexy Elf pictures.


Will do ^_^

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Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Lord Athena wrote...
 
*snip* 


This is against forum rules...right?


Wait I broke a rule, what rule?

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I want a elf uprising for an origin, teach those human crusaders and their false Gods.

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Lord Athena wrote...


Wait I broke a rule, what rule?



No posting single images or animated images. Posting single images or animated .gifs/images instead of engaging in discussion is not allowed. These are discussion forums and that means engaging in dialog, not picture spam.  Posting single images instead of discussion will be considered spam and will not be tolerated.

Start posting your pictures along with an argument and you're all good, I guess.

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Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

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Thedasian humans find each other attractive, don't they? Should we change human designs to be more like elves to fit the new standard of attractiveness?

It's mentioned multiple times over many different occasions, not just one codex entry. Leliana will tell an elven Warden that well-trained elven servants are highly valued in Orlais, partly because they are "pleasing to look at." Zevran will reveal that the Crows like to pick up elven recruits because humans find elves attractive, therefore it's easier to seduce them, therefore it's easier to kill them. In DA2 the magistrate's son abducts and kills elven children because he considers it "not fair that they're born so beautiful" (on top of his own violence and insanity), with not a hint of irony. There are many other little comments sprinkled here and there throughout the franchise, and the new designs just seem to contradict it.



So...every Thedasian human finds every other Thedasian human attractive?  Not EVERY human could possibly think elves are beautiful. And why do you assume that humans find elves attractive in the same way that they find other humans attractive? 


I didn't say every human thinks every elf is beautiful. If you're going to try to debunk my argument, please don't do so by putting words in my mouth.

Thedasian humans basically look like us (they kind of have to, they're supposed to be human like us), and when picking human partners that they find attractive, they generally go for partners that many of us would find at least understandable, if not to our own personal tastes. If Thedasian humans show that they collectively value physical traits that we collectively value, then why would they also value traits that most of us would find repulsive? (And most of us kind of do, if the internet backdraft against the new elven designs is anything to go by.)

It's hinted that many or most humans find many or most elves at least alluring or attractive (if not flat out beautiful), so it would be enough for me if many or most elves at least looked passably attractive (even if they're not all beautiful). I'm not saying that elves should ALL look like unnaturally gorgeous supermodels, and I'm not saying there shouldn't be even ONE unattractive elf anywhere. I wouldn't even mind if there were multiple unattractive elves. However, being able to count all the attractive elves on one hand while dozens upon dozens at any given moment can be found to scare or unnerve children on Halloween seems to really contradict the "many/most humans find many/most elves attractive" bit of canon.

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Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Lord Athena wrote...


Wait I broke a rule, what rule?



No posting single images or animated images. Posting single images or animated .gifs/images instead of engaging in discussion is not allowed. These are discussion forums and that means engaging in dialog, not picture spam.  Posting single images instead of discussion will be considered spam and will not be tolerated.

Start posting your pictures along with an argument and you're all good, I guess.


:oI'm sure I added text with those images explaining whats ugly and what BioWare did to the elves, and what I want the elves to look like. Don't be a mole/BioWares Pet, it's not very nice...

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Faerunner seems like they always put words in everyones mouth, been there done it.... Is it me or does this forum feel like a trial?

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Sorry guys but i'm getting this impression from you.

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I didn't say every human thinks every elf is beautiful. If you're going to try to debunk my argument, please don't do so by putting words in my mouth.

Thedasian humans basically look like us (they kind of have to, they're supposed to be human like us), and when picking human partners that they find attractive, they generally go for partners that many of us would find at least understandable, if not to our own personal tastes. If Thedasian humans show that they collectively value physical traits that we collectively value, then why would they also value traits that most of us would find repulsive? (And most of us kind of do, if the internet backdraft against the new elven designs is anything to go by.)

It's hinted that many or most humans find many or most elves at least alluring or attractive (if not flat out beautiful), so it would be enough for me if many or most elves at least looked passably attractive (even if they're not all beautiful). I'm not saying that elves should ALL look like unnaturally gorgeous supermodels, and I'm not saying there shouldn't be even ONE unattractive elf anywhere. I wouldn't even mind if there were multiple unattractive elves. However, being able to count all the attractive elves on one hand while dozens upon dozens at any given moment can be found to scare or unnerve children on Halloween seems to really contradict the "many/most humans find many/most elves attractive" bit of canon.


Um...
If not all Thedasian humans find every elf attractive...why does it matter that the elves aren't attractive to you? Why are we arguing about anything really? Why is this a forum? If we agree that every human has their own preference then we must assume that every Thedasian human has theirs, what Leliana, the crazy elf murdering guy, and even Zevran have to say shouldn't even matter. Since they are their own individual people.

When...have they shown attraction to physical traits that we value? If we are going to say that elves have to fit THIS form of attractiveness. There has to be a reason for that and "We as real humans consider these traits to be beautiful so that means Thedasian humans, think the same way" is not a good one.

This all boils down to what you want anyway. "It would be enough for me if many or most of the elves at least looded passably attractive"...to you. Yeah.


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:oI'm sure I added text with those images explaining whats ugly and what BioWare did to the elves, and what I want the elves to look like. Don't be a mole/BioWares Pet, it's not very nice...



That "Evil always wins because Good is dumb" what argument accompanied that? 
No you haven't just post rather large irritating pictures of conventionally beautiful humans with pointy ears.
Yes, reading the rules, makes me a mole. Even though i'm sure agreeing to these rules is a requirement to post. 

Maybe, this is just a lost in translation thing. Lets just go with that.

Yes, a witch hunt. Taking away your right to a fair trial, internet person. Exactly what's happening here. You must feel so persecuted.

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Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

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I didn't say every human thinks every elf is beautiful. If you're going to try to debunk my argument, please don't do so by putting words in my mouth.

Thedasian humans basically look like us (they kind of have to, they're supposed to be human like us), and when picking human partners that they find attractive, they generally go for partners that many of us would find at least understandable, if not to our own personal tastes. If Thedasian humans show that they collectively value physical traits that we collectively value, then why would they also value traits that most of us would find repulsive? (And most of us kind of do, if the internet backdraft against the new elven designs is anything to go by.)

It's hinted that many or most humans find many or most elves at least alluring or attractive (if not flat out beautiful), so it would be enough for me if many or most elves at least looked passably attractive (even if they're not all beautiful). I'm not saying that elves should ALL look like unnaturally gorgeous supermodels, and I'm not saying there shouldn't be even ONE unattractive elf anywhere. I wouldn't even mind if there were multiple unattractive elves. However, being able to count all the attractive elves on one hand while dozens upon dozens at any given moment can be found to scare or unnerve children on Halloween seems to really contradict the "many/most humans find many/most elves attractive" bit of canon.


Um...
If not all Thedasian humans find every elf attractive...why does it matter that the elves aren't attractive to you? Why are we arguing about anything really? Why is this a forum? If we agree that every human has their own preference then we must assume that every Thedasian human has theirs, what Leliana, the crazy elf murdering guy, and even Zevran have to say shouldn't even matter. Since they are their own individual people.

When...have they shown attraction to physical traits that we value? If we are going to say that elves have to fit THIS form of attractiveness. There has to be a reason for that and "We as real humans consider these traits to be beautiful so that means Thedasian humans, think the same way" is not a good one.

This all boils down to what you want anyway. "It would be enough for me if many or most of the elves at least looded passably attractive"...to you. Yeah.


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:oI'm sure I added text with those images explaining whats ugly and what BioWare did to the elves, and what I want the elves to look like. Don't be a mole/BioWares Pet, it's not very nice...



That "Evil always wins because Good is dumb" what argument accompanied that? 
No you haven't just post rather large irritating pictures of conventionally beautiful humans with pointy ears.
Yes, reading the rules, makes me a mole. Even though i'm sure agreeing to these rules is a requirement to post. 

Maybe, this is just a lost in translation thing. Lets just go with that.

Yes, a witch hunt. Taking away your right to a fair trial, internet person. Exactly what's happening here. You must feel so persecuted.


"Evil always wins because Good is dumb" Ok that was just a joke, but since you feel so offended i'll remove it ok. My your mad....

No its not a lost translation thing, stop being a jerk.

Large irritating picture! What you want me to do scale them down for you?

"beautiful humans with pointy ears" WOW real mature just insult Tolkien you jerk, look at mythology images on elves, most of them are that way apart from some saying they had holes in their chests. No your not reading rules your just looking for trouble, go annoy somebody else....

And yes it is a witch trial you biased jerk! You already decided you want ugly deformed elves, well that is not what the majority of us wants, just a couple of you clowns annoying us on fourms we made.

****THIS FOURM IS ON A DISSCUSION ON THE APPERANCE OF ELVES**** Thats why the majority of us have posted images since page 1, so it is revalant! Got a problem with that find another fourm ok

Why to I attract jerks all the time?.....

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Alexandrine Delassixe I swear if you insult one more member on this forum or make anybody feel insecure i'll report you myself and i'm sure I could find people on this forum who will agree with me. I'm sure thats definitely a number one rule on every chat or post. And right now your doing it, stop it!

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Faerunner you found that fourm I was talking about yet?

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Alexandrine Delassixe by the way all the pictures are relevant to the topic so shut your mouth. Secondly i'm reading a forum now and there is two people talking about ME3 and SW TOR Online even though a Dev said not to talk about them on the Dragon Age Forum, maybe you should report them? Such a crime... You should be the new guard for Skyrim

"STOP THERE CRIMINAL SCUM! NO ONE BREAKS THE LAW ON MY WATCH!"

And I only posted one or four pics in my comment, so how does that count as spam? I guess you missed the guy on page 11-12 who posted 16 images on one comment?


WOW that sure sounds like you, bully. Sure hate to live with you lol, come on take a joke... Why so serious?

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DA2 elves look bad to most people. DAO and Forgotten Realms elves look good to most people.

I think it is obvious which design they should choose.

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wsandista wrote...

DA2 elves look bad to most people. DAO and Forgotten Realms elves look good to most people.

I think it is obvious which design they should choose.


What? Something between Forgotten Realms and DAO? You know what if somebody said Gandalf and Wizards are generic I would tell them thats bull****. Dwarves are made always to look fat and small with beards? So unless you redesign every race your just being an idiot, just to be different? In the end people are going to say OH ITS A ELF! JUST A REAL UGLY ONE! I was playing with my little cousin and he was making a female elf in skyrim and my parents said is that an elf? And I said yes, and they said wow that does not look like a woman at all. So stop with the unique crap, its either monster or a humanioid being.

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If my anatomy teachers say its bad, its bad end of story. Go with Forgotten Realms or Lineage or anything that has a structured normal face that makes sense in reality. Thats what your suppose to do when you do concepts, base them on reality! not make the bone structures up like Bioware just to be different, at least James Cameron tried to make sense of why his navi had the features on their body and explained that, not just say OH.... I JUST WANTED TO BE DIFFERENT.... clap... clap... thats a valid argument... cough sarcasm....

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If not all Thedasian humans find every elf attractive...why does it matter that the elves aren't attractive to you?


And yet enough of Thedasian humans are supposed to find elves attractive enough that they often comment on it while they almost never comment on how unattractive or ugly elves are; yet the new elf designs lead most players to believe that it should be the other way around.

Why are we arguing about anything really? Why is this a forum?


I don't know, why did you enter this forum and why are you still posting?

If we agree that every human has their own preference then we must assume that every Thedasian human has theirs, what Leliana, the crazy elf murdering guy, and even Zevran have to say shouldn't even matter. Since they are their own individual people.


And yet they all hint that the majority of Thedasian humans find elves alluring. Leliana basically says that the majority of Orlaisian nobles value elven servants because they are "nimble, dexterous, and pleasing to look at." Zevran basically says that the majority of Crows value many elven recruits because the majority of human targets find them attractive, so it would be easier to seduce and kill them. Orlaisian nobles and Antivan Crows and even other nobles and human peasants from other countries would not go to the trouble of finding elven recruits or servants (or victims) if their level of attractiveness for humans was not more profitable than human servants/recruits/(victims).

To say nothing of all the other random comments from random NPC's I can't place off the top of my head.

When...have they shown attraction to physical traits that we value? If we are going to say that elves have to fit THIS form of attractiveness. There has to be a reason for that and "We as real humans consider these traits to be beautiful so that means Thedasian humans, think the same way" is not a good one.


And the point flew right over your head. I will try one more time: we, as humans, in large numbers, tend to be attracted to other humans. (Wishing to mate with horses or sheep is not as common as all that). Thedasian humans look and act just like us, and Thedasian humans, in large numbers, tend to be attracted to other Thedasian humans. So, Thedasian humans, in large numbers, do not have such vastly different standards of attractiveness to us as you like to imply.

With me so far?

The majority of players seem have revealed that they did not find the majority of the new elves to look that alluring, desirable, attractive or beautiful. Sure, some rare individual occasionally comes up and and honestly admits they find the majority of the new elves attractive, but it seems much more often than not they basically say that one or two look all right (like Fenris or Merrill), they think the designs are okay or they don't care how hideous they are as long as the elves look like anything but DA:O. That's hardly a testament overall DA2 design attractiveness, yet the majority of Thedasian humans seem to express favour in their looks the way the majority of players do not.

We as players tend to think of attractive DA2 elves to be the exception to the rule, yet Thedasian humans tend to treat attractive DA2 elves as the rule, and their reactions are treated earnestly instead of a parody or with irony. I think there's a disconnect between the responses the designs are supposed to elicite and the ones they more often do.

This all boils down to what you want anyway. "It would be enough for me if many or most of the elves at least looded passably attractive"...to you. Yeah.


And yet forums like this exist and enough people agree that it's still going. Sure, it's just me.