It means that if humans envy the "beauty" of the elves, that would mean humans are not capable of being beautiful. Thus, elves should not look anything like humans which is the case in DAO.Lord Athena wrote...
LOL you have totally lost me, what does that crap mean in english?
Faerunner wrote...
Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
If not all Thedasian humans find every elf attractive...why does it matter that the elves aren't attractive to you?
And yet enough of Thedasian humans are supposed to find elves attractive enough that they often comment on it while they almost never comment on how unattractive or ugly elves are; yet the new elf designs lead most players to believe that it should be the other way around.Why are we arguing about anything really? Why is this a forum?
I don't know, why did you enter this forum and why are you still posting?If we agree that every human has their own preference then we must assume that every Thedasian human has theirs, what Leliana, the crazy elf murdering guy, and even Zevran have to say shouldn't even matter. Since they are their own individual people.
And yet they all hint that the majority of Thedasian humans find elves alluring. Leliana basically says that the majority of Orlaisian nobles value elven servants because they are "nimble, dexterous, and pleasing to look at." Zevran basically says that the majority of Crows value many elven recruits because the majority of human targets find them attractive, so it would be easier to seduce and kill them. Orlaisian nobles and Antivan Crows and even other nobles and human peasants from other countries would not go to the trouble of finding elven recruits or servants (or victims) if their level of attractiveness for humans was not more profitable than human servants/recruits/(victims).
To say nothing of all the other random comments from random NPC's I can't place off the top of my head.When...have they shown attraction to physical traits that we value? If we are going to say that elves have to fit THIS form of attractiveness. There has to be a reason for that and "We as real humans consider these traits to be beautiful so that means Thedasian humans, think the same way" is not a good one.
And the point flew right over your head. I will try one more time: we, as humans, in large numbers, tend to be attracted to other humans. (Wishing to mate with horses or sheep is not as common as all that). Thedasian humans look and act just like us, and Thedasian humans, in large numbers, tend to be attracted to other Thedasian humans. So, Thedasian humans, in large numbers, do not have such vastly different standards of attractiveness to us as you like to imply.
With me so far?
The majority of players seem have revealed that they did not find the majority of the new elves to look that alluring, desirable, attractive or beautiful. Sure, some rare individual occasionally comes up and and honestly admits they find the majority of the new elves attractive, but it seems much more often than not they basically say that one or two look all right (like Fenris or Merrill), they think the designs are okay or they don't care how hideous they are as long as the elves look like anything but DA:O. That's hardly a testament overall DA2 design attractiveness, yet the majority of Thedasian humans seem to express favour in their looks the way the majority of players do not.
We as players tend to think of attractive DA2 elves to be the exception to the rule, yet Thedasian humans tend to treat attractive DA2 elves as the rule, and their reactions are treated earnestly instead of a parody or with irony. I think there's a disconnect between the responses the designs are supposed to elicite and the ones they more often do.This all boils down to what you want anyway. "It would be enough for me if many or most of the elves at least looded passably attractive"...to you. Yeah.
And yet forums like this exist and enough people agree that it's still going. Sure, it's just me.
MisterJB wrote...
It means that if humans envy the "beauty" of the elves, that would mean humans are not capable of being beautiful. Thus, elves should not look anything like humans which is the case in DAO.Lord Athena wrote...
LOL you have totally lost me, what does that crap mean in english?
However, you argue that it's the DA2 elves that are ugly.
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Lord Athena wrote...
So yes humans are jealous of the elves, they are 100% better citizens in every way, stronger, graceful, proud, generous, selfless, ****THOUSAND TIMES MORE BEAUTIFUL**** Fateful, Kind hearted.... the list goes on
Lord Athena wrote...
Alexandrine Delassixe, we have moved on drop it seriously... Don't call me bro! And i'am seriously offended by your sexist disgusting comments, say one more thing like that and your definatly going to be reported! We are all sick of your aggressive, insulting and threatening comments, please leave this forum and stop posting. Learn to respect peoples opinions or I'll email Mark Darrah and i'm not kidding...
Maclimes wrote...
... wow.
Modifié par Alexandrine Delassixe, 20 juillet 2012 - 04:47 .
Do you come up with this stuff on the spot or just have a reeeeealy warped vision of the human-elven conflict in the DA universe?Lord Athena wrote...
Got you, No just because they think the elves are attractive doesn't mean they think themselves as ugly, that guy is a total reject he probably doesn't even know what the word envy means...
Ok the humans envy the elves because they are better at showing their great beauty among other traits e.g. they are everything the humans could be if they tried. The elves are the oppisite reflection of what humans should be.... The humans see this, a reminder of what they could not be because of their cruel minds and dark desires and it is a very annoying reminder for them, so they march a great crusade to destroy them, then ruin their honourable image just to make themselves feel less bad about themselves as a race in general.
Lord Athena wrote...
And i'am a native English speaker you moron... I didn't use the edit button because I wanted them separate, some people can't read giant spam quote text like yours, good God your annoying... Now i'm off for a nap, I'll let Faerunner take out the trash....
MisterJB wrote...
Do you come up with this stuff on the spot or just have a reeeeealy warped vision of the human-elven conflict in the DA universe?Lord Athena wrote...
Got you, No just because they think the elves are attractive doesn't mean they think themselves as ugly, that guy is a total reject he probably doesn't even know what the word envy means...
Ok the humans envy the elves because they are better at showing their great beauty among other traits e.g. they are everything the humans could be if they tried. The elves are the oppisite reflection of what humans should be.... The humans see this, a reminder of what they could not be because of their cruel minds and dark desires and it is a very annoying reminder for them, so they march a great crusade to destroy them, then ruin their honourable image just to make themselves feel less bad about themselves as a race in general.
poor elves...
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Maclimes wrote...
To avoid comparing apples to oranges, let's look at three elves who actually transitioned from one game to the next...
I'll let you decide if it was a good move, a bad move, or a lateral move.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Where are the pictures of sexy elves? I was promissed sexy elves!
RAAAAAAAH
*turns inot an abomination*
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That won't happen though. Just as all humans won't get the same treatment as Hawke's family, Meredith, Alistair, Leliana, or Anders; just as all dwarves won't get the same treatment as Oghren, Sigrun, or Varric.Cutlasskiwi wrote...
I prefer the elves in DA2. If all elves got the same time and details like Marethari, Merril, Orsino and Athenril for example I would be very happy. Also BioWare, stop it with the clown make-up please.
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