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[Eternal Phoenix]

According to David Gaider, all life in Thedas is subject to devolution. They were created but from that point that have been devolving and the elves are devolving quicker than the other races thanks to a new evil arising in Thedas. Within another 10 years the elves will look like mutants with mashy faces and floopy ears that touch the ground.

In fact the whole plot of Dragon Age 4 is about stopping the force of devolution from occurring because it's destroying everyone.

Actually that sounds like a really good plot. In the end the player fails (because you can't stop nature) and a cut scene shows all the races devolve into disgusting jelly puddles over the course of a few centuries. Thus end Dragon Age.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 18 août 2012 - 09:36 .

[Lord Athena]

Elton John is dead wrote...

According to David Gaider, all life in Thedas is subject to devolution. They were created but from that point that have been devolving and the elves are devolving quicker than the other races thanks to a new evil arising in Thedas. Within another 10 years the elves will look like mutants with mashy faces and floopy ears that touch the ground.

In fact the whole plot of Dragon Age 4 is about stopping the force of devolution from occurring because it's destroying everyone.

Actually that sounds like a really good plot. In the end the player fails (because you can't stop nature) and a cut scene shows all the races devolve into disgusting jelly puddles over the course of a few centuries. Thus end Dragon Age.

 That sounds awsome!  And Bioware can charge us £9.99 for each "Happy Ending DLC" that makes no sence. Yah, what a great future!



"Me no happy with Bioware, me smash everything!"

Modifié par Lord Athena, 18 août 2012 - 10:08 .

[FieryDove]

Elton John is dead wrote...


Actually that sounds like a really good plot. In the end the player fails (because you can't stop nature) and a cut scene shows all the races devolve into disgusting jelly puddles over the course of a few centuries. Thus end Dragon Age.

We already had a story of the PC failing...

Humans would devolve to this:



But I do like the jelly idea, it has possibilities.

[Mello]

FieryDove wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...


Actually that sounds like a really good plot. In the end the player fails (because you can't stop nature) and a cut scene shows all the races devolve into disgusting jelly puddles over the course of a few centuries. Thus end Dragon Age.

We already had a story of the PC failing...

Humans would devolve to this:



But I do like the jelly idea, it has possibilities.

Funny, i know some people who look EXACTLY like this.

[Foolsfolly]

OP doesn't like the dark elves in Morrowind and Skyrim? They were the chimer a much more pretty race of elves until the Tribunal reached for divinity using the corpse of a living god. Then the Daedra Prince Azura cursed them with their features. They're a hard, grim, ugly, ashen, red eyed race because it's a punishment for their ancestor's sins.

How can you hate that? You sign into that the moment you pick Dark Elf in one of their games. I play them because of that story and their look!

[Cultist]

the logical advancement of DA2 elf styke should be this:

Modifié par Cultist, 19 août 2012 - 07:46 .

[Lord Athena]

Nice pics everybody.

That middle pic "COME AT ME BRO" looks exactly how the elves bodies look and the pic above that is what their heads look like.

Bioware didn't just ruin the elves, they messed up Kotor2 as well when they made SW TOR. When I heard they gave the Jedi Exile a canon name; I was crying my head off.  Then I heard she got murdered by a crappy Sith Under Lord, yeah great Bioware just kill of the main protagonist from the second game! She went against three major Sith Lords and you give her this crappy death scene. That character wasn't even theirs to tamper with!

Modifié par Lord Athena, 19 août 2012 - 01:36 .

[FieryDove]

Lord Athena wrote...

Nice pics everybody.

That middle pic "COME AT ME BRO" looks exactly how the elves bodies look and the pic above that is what their heads look like.

Bioware didn't just ruin the elves, they messed up Kotor2 as well when they made SW TOR. When I heard they gave the Jedi Exile a canon name; I was crying my head off.  Then I heard she got murdered by a crappy Sith Under Lord, yeah great Bioware just kill of the main protagonist from the second game! She went against three major Sith Lords and you give her this crappy death scene. That character wasn't even theirs to tamper with!

Obsidian made Kotor 2 not Bioware.

Lucas Arts/Lucas decide what is made cannon and what is not. Not BW's Fault.

All my female Revans are now male...strange but that's life. I still enjoy the games and in my mind no official cannon changes my game experience.

I didn't like how Revan turned out in ToR, male or not. But that's just a very tiny part of the game. Thankfully.

[Lasien]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Here you go:

 

Sten from the final Silent Grove comic. 

I think it's a good design. Bioware are keeping the Origins Kossith design after-all.

I think it would be good if they went along with a previous suggestion of where there's different races of elves (like with humans) and each one look slightly different in terms of their facial structure. That would be one way to have the mutant elves and the more normal looking elves. The elf eyes of DA2 could be implemented onto every elf but the long necks and floopy ears needn't be. That way you won't end up with elves that look like humans.

I could say Sten in that picture above looks human but the facial structure and pointed ears clearly says he isn't human.

So it's fine for dwarves and Kossith to look like humans with differences in terms of body design but it's bad for elves to look like humans?

I would just like to point out that that  is the DA2 design. All they did in DA2 was add horns, and said that some are born without them. So... I fail to see your point. Also, i don't see anything non-human in the facial structure. He just has a square face. I've met people with faces like that.

They did a over-reactive change to the elves because of fan feedback. And the majority of the problems with the elves in DA2 were in implementation, not the concept. The concepts were sound, the end result sucked.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Lasien wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Here you go:

 

Sten from the final Silent Grove comic. 

I think it's a good design. Bioware are keeping the Origins Kossith design after-all.

I think it would be good if they went along with a previous suggestion of where there's different races of elves (like with humans) and each one look slightly different in terms of their facial structure. That would be one way to have the mutant elves and the more normal looking elves. The elf eyes of DA2 could be implemented onto every elf but the long necks and floopy ears needn't be. That way you won't end up with elves that look like humans.

I could say Sten in that picture above looks human but the facial structure and pointed ears clearly says he isn't human.

So it's fine for dwarves and Kossith to look like humans with differences in terms of body design but it's bad for elves to look like humans?

I would just like to point out that that  is the DA2 design. All they did in DA2 was add horns, and said that some are born without them. So... I fail to see your point.

Also, i don't see anything non-human in the facial structure. He just has a square face. I've met people with faces like that.

They did a over-reactive change to the elves because of fan feedback. And the majority of the problems with the elves in DA2 were in implementation, not the concept. The concepts were sound, the end result sucked.

 

  

See the difference yet?

The foreheads are different, the cheeks are different, the chins are different and the lips are different.

Oh and if you've met someone who has eyes like Sten I would love to see pictures.

(And the facial structure with the Kossith isn't common in humans at least)

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 21 août 2012 - 02:28 .

[addiction21]

Eyes like Sten how? Other then the color there is nothing special about them.

Also I do not see what is so special about the facial struture since they are not human in the first place.

[FieryDove]

addiction21 wrote...

Eyes like Sten how? Other then the color there is nothing special about them.

.

That was enough, they were friggin purple!

The eyes were not good on a single one of them in da2. All animal/ghoul grey.

Where are all the red, yellow and purple eyes real quanri have? Some with bronze skin wouild have been nice too. Sniff

I did like the rest of them for the most part excellent, horns and all.

Modifié par FieryDove, 21 août 2012 - 02:33 .

[thats1evildude]

See, I don't look at a dwarf and think "short human". They're definitely humanoid, but not human.

Varric would be a very odd-looking human if you doubled the length of his legs. For one, he has a giant pumpkin head, and his jaw is about twice the size of a regular person's. His torso is also too short and he has freaky orangutan arms.

[tmp7704]

thats1evildude wrote...

See, I don't look at a dwarf and think "short human". They're definitely humanoid, but not human.

Varric would be a very odd-looking human if you doubled the length of his legs. For one, he has a giant pumpkin head, and his jaw is about twice the size of a regular person's. His torso is also too short and he has freaky orangutan arms.

Funnily enough Varric's facial features are basically a straight copy of famous human male model, Fabio.

And with exception of the arms, body proportions of dwarves in DA match body proportions of humans in other art -- they may appear more stocky because they follow ~7 head tall model vs 8+ head tall model used for humans and elves. But interestingly enough 7 heads is closer to normal human proportions, while 8+ heads is utilized in superhero comics and such to make characters appear well, superhuman-like.

In other words yeah, when i see a dwarf in DA they do make me think "short humans". Because that's what they pretty much are, if only the label of "dwarf" is removed from them.

(it's also what sets DA dwarves apart from 'typical' fantasy dwarf image -- that they're proportioned mosly like regular humans, vwhile the more popular approach uses proportions with quite shorter legs/longer torso etc) 

Modifié par tmp7704, 21 août 2012 - 10:26 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Female Kossith from Dragon Age: Those Who Speak:



Oh hey everybody. It's the Tolkien elves just with brown skin, orange eyes and horns! 

Dirk wrote...
Me no want female Kossiths being big humans with horns and pointy ears. 

 

Sorry Dirk but it seems you're not going to get what you wished for.

Dirk wrote...
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHH! ME ANGRY! DIRK SMASH!!!!!!!

 

No Dirk! Don't smash that!!!!!

Dirk wrote...
ME ANGRY!!!

 

Ahem. Dirk aside and it's just another example of yet another race that look like humans. I mean even the previous concept art which showed the female Kossith alongside a male Kossith showed it looking like a human, it just had grey skin and was bigger.

So again I don't understand why elves need to look like freaks.

Of course however, this is just art within a Dragon Age comic and the female Kossiths could end up looking like freaks too.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 22 août 2012 - 01:43 .

[Xerxes52]

Honestly, I think they nailed it in the DA:O concept art:




Or possibly go a completely different route:

Modifié par Xerxes52, 22 août 2012 - 06:41 .

[Lord Athena]

FieryDove wrote...

Obsidian made Kotor 2 not Bioware.

Lucas Arts/Lucas decide what is made cannon and what is not. Not BW's Fault.

All my female Revans are now male...strange but that's life. I still enjoy the games and in my mind no official cannon changes my game experience.

I didn't like how Revan turned out in ToR, male or not. But that's just a very tiny part of the game. Thankfully.

I doubt that Lucas Arts are the ones that gave her the horrible name and death ending. And yes I know Obsidian made Kotor2, when I said BW messed up Kotor2 (I mean they runied it by using the Exile in their MMO), I wish they left her alone.

And it does effect the player, I'm finding it  difficult to play Kotor2 anymore when I know that she/he is going to die in the future.

Nevermind it's too late anyway, the one character that I liked got messed up. Move along.....

Modifié par Lord Athena, 22 août 2012 - 01:56 .

[Lord Athena]

Xerxes52 wrote...

Honestly, I think they nailed it in the DA:O concept art:




Or possibly go a completely different route:

If Bioware decides to go in that direction, i'll be happy. Those elves are the only ones that are working without them looking like freaks. 

Modifié par Lord Athena, 22 août 2012 - 01:34 .

[Lord Athena]

Elton John is dead wrote...



 

  

See the difference yet?

The foreheads are different, the cheeks are different, the chins are different and the lips are different.

Oh and if you've met someone who has eyes like Sten I would love to see pictures.

(And the facial structure with the Kossith isn't common in humans at least)

I don't know why, but every time I see a Kossith I play the "Buffy Theme" in my head.... 

Modifié par Lord Athena, 22 août 2012 - 01:52 .

[TheDevian]

the elves in DAO were just short pointy eared humans.

YES! because that is what elves are SUPPOSED to look like, thin, pretty humans with pointy ears! (The 'short' part is unessisary, some elves were taller than humans.) If you want to make a race of fishy bug people, kewl, do that, don't call them elves. These things looked more like Deep Ones Hybrids, ...with pointy ears.
...but I would have minded the hidious redesign less if I were not being told left and right by npcs how beautiful they were... That was how I knew Kelder was crazy, he thought they were 'too beautiful'... No wonder Hawke was so shocked! (...although considering the Legacy thing, and the reson behind the crazy blood magery, he might have been less crazy than previously thought... he might have been more right then we assumed, ...about the demons, not the pretty elves... obviously. ...they are pretty, to the demons, but then, they like abominations)
And if that is the way Verric 'sees' Elves, then he needs to get his eyes checked, stop looking at his eye level, or hire an artist, because he is not one.
I can not believe that every elf in 2 was not constantly in pain, because it was painful to look at. I guess it is a good thing Merrill never got that mirror to work... She would have broken it again if she saw that looking back at her.

[Wrathion]

TheDevian wrote...

the elves in DAO were just short pointy eared humans.

YES! because that is what elves are SUPPOSED to look like, thin, pretty humans with pointy ears! 

ORLY?
I demand specific passage written in the Dragon Age Book O' Lore that states this.

[TheDevian]

A picture is worth 1,000 words,

not that at any point did I say I was specifically talking about only DA elves.

Modifié par TheDevian, 29 septembre 2012 - 05:39 .

[Henioo]

The elven design should match their description in the Stolen Throne.

They look and act nothing like the elves from the book.

[SylvanLore]

I haven't read Stolen Throne. Can you give a quote?