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[Lotion Soronarr]

Whe people say the DA2 elves look like na'vi, it's beccause of larger, slanted eyes and more pronounced, flat nose. Also pointy ears.

DA2 elves really do look a lot like the na'vi. Widen the nostrils and change the eyes to more cat-like irises, change skin color to blue - BAM. Na'Vi.

[Jerrybnsn]

Join my support group A Cure for Elven Goat disease. Don't let this disease spread beyond Kirkwall and DA2!

Because what Bioware did to them was criminal.

http://t0.gstatic.co...CHlfTAmu4loqRzK

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 21 juin 2012 - 10:37 .

[macin]

The images posted in the first pages resemble more the DAII direction than anything else though.

I definetly don't want the DAO elves to come back, they were HIDEOUS, specially the males (salve a couple of them), the girls were easier to make pretty.
I modded the game to import the DAII elven features into DAO and it works mighty fine, makes them quite different and elfy.

And for the last, the premise of "all the elves are pretty because a codex says so" is false, like saying "all venezuelan women are beautiful because they have won a lot of international miss universe contests". There has to be average and ugly people too even if the general idea is that venezuelan girls have more probability of being pretty.

So no, if an elf is ugly I don't care, even more if he or she are supposed to be aged or sick.

[Eternal Phoenix]

darthnick427 wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

Because God forbid elves don't look like humans.

They don't need to look like humans but they didn't need to look like they came right out of santa's workshop like they did in DA2

Goblin caves you mean...

I mean why call them elves now? They overhauled the way they looked and changed the history of Origins maybe they can do the same again and simply call elves, goblins now. 

  

   

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 21 juin 2012 - 01:19 .

[Mojenator12345]

raist747 wrote...

The generic "LOTR Elves" look that nearly every other game or illustration uses strikes me more as a sign of creative stagnation or just sheer laziness. "Oh, I ran out of ideas, so I'll just rip of Tolkien like everyone else does!" Its not homage, its laziness.

Many things in DAO were highly derivative of Tolkien and LOTR.  The music and visual style borrowed a lot from the LOTR movies.  This is no different than most fantasy RPGs.  The difference is that they executed on it far more brilliantly than anyone had before (or has since).  There were more than a few moments during the game when I thought, "holy crap, I'm controlling a character in LOTR!"  Which is why I loved the game.  I'd pay for a lot more of that.  It's not that I want every fantasy world to imitate Tolkien to the point where they're all homogenous.  But I hate the idea that people want to be different for the sake of being different.  If you've got a really great unique idea for a  fantasy world,  awesome, run with it.  But it's ok to be derivative too, if the characters, story, and presentation are better than anything we've seen before (which DAO was).  People love and imitate Tolkien for a reason.

[Jerrybnsn]

With all due respect to what Bioware was trying to due with their elves, it seems to be a much wider consensus amongst the commutity that the DA2 elves should revert back to a more appealing style.

http://t3.gstatic.co...5tYvZfbw59g3ffw

[tisoy13]

elf dao is better ...justice for elves, elves should look appealing as well....

[Rogue Complex]

Elfs are already weird looking, DAII made it worst!

[tisoy13]

Rogue Complex wrote...

Elfs are already weird looking, DAII made it worst!

absolutely true.....DAO elves are hot....in DAII they look some sort of animal with human body.....lol

i wouldn't marry an elf in DAII

Modifié par tisoy13, 22 juin 2012 - 07:06 .

[TEWR]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Whe people say the DA2 elves look like na'vi, it's beccause of larger, slanted eyes and more pronounced, flat nose. Also pointy ears.

DA2 elves really do look a lot like the na'vi. Widen the nostrils and change the eyes to more cat-like irises, change skin color to blue - BAM. Na'Vi.

Not seeing the similarity. I mean, of course if you change them to look like Na'vi, they'll look like Na'vi. But as they stand now? I see no such similarity.

The noses on the Na'vi are completely different from the noses the DAII Elves have. Na'vi have cat-like noses. The DAII Elves simply have their nasal bridge extending into their forehead.

Pointy ears alone are not proof of "Na'vi-esque" Elves. Placement also counts, in which the placement of the ears on the shrieks is more Na'vi-esque IMO then DAII's Elves...






Because they are almost at the same point of origin.

[StarcloudSWG]

Elves in DA 2 finally looked as they should look;

Similar to, but recognizably and exotically different from humans.

[Wulfram]

I really don't think the DA2 elves look exotic. Except for Fenris, maybe.

The better ones look cute, most of them look dorky.

[LPPrince]

I don't know, I just want the elves in-game to be aesthetically pleasing to me along with having the differences in culture and lifestyle that come with being an elf.

I'm perfectly fine with elves looking like pretty humans with pointy ears. That "improved" pic is yikes.

[Spedfrom]

Are dwarfs beautiful? No. Yet we still love them to death. DA2 elves are fine. Drop your misconception that elves have to be sex-on-legs and you'll start to appreciate them more for what they are.

[LPPrince]

I never remember dwarves being consistently depicted as an attractive race, though.

If Bioware randomly decided that they wanted their dwarves to be different and made them all look like demon spawn with devil horns, you can bet people would be complaining.

[whykikyouwhy]

Faerunner wrote...

Bioware doesn't tell us dwarves are supposed to look beautiful, so we don't mind.

Bioware does tell us elves are supposed to look attractive, yet they changed an inherently attractive design to an inherently bizzare one and keep acting like elves as a whole are pretty when they clearly aren't. There are ways to differentiate elves without breaking canon and making them look weird or aliens.

Seems to me that any codex entry or bit of dialogue in-game dealing with how elves are regarded is the opinion of someone from Thedas - thus inferring Thedan concepts of beauty as a whole, or that individual's personal concept of beauty. It may be that elves possess an other-worldly quality that goes beyond their "look." Perhaps it's not just their facial structure or features but how they carry themselves, how they cast their eyes about to regard the world and the people in it.

Again, beauty is very subjective. I don't think there has been any altering of canon.

[bleetman]

Can I ask where this idea that Elves are regarded as Teh Hotness in Thedas is coming from?

I mean, the only bit I remember about that is Leliana's throwaway comment about how "some people find them pleasing to look at", so obviously there's something I'm forgetting about.

[whykikyouwhy]

bleetman wrote...

Can I ask where this idea that Elves are regarded as Teh Hotness in Thedas is coming from?

I mean, the only bit I remember about that is Leliana's throwaway comment about how "some people find them pleasing to look at", so obviously there's something I'm forgetting about.

I think some folks use a codex entry attributed to Brother Genitivi as their source. From his writings on the aravel:

"Certainly most humans would agree that the halla are as beautiful as the elves themselves; the fact that many imperial nobles maintain a bounty on halla horns that find their way into Tevinter is an affront the Dalish consider unforgivable."

So...it's Geniviti's opinion on what the opinion of other Thedans might be.

[wsandista]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I don't think there has been any altering of canon.

When the appearances of elves shift dramatically, then it is altering canon.

[RogueWriter3201]

There have been many, I'm sure, brilliant observations/opinions given on the OP's viewpoint; however, I'll keep it simple by saying I disagree. The whole point of BioWare wanting the Elven Race of Thedas to look unique (something I feel they succeeded at fantastically in DA2) is that they didn't want their Elves to be compared to Tolkien's or D&D's various incarnations.

Some Elves appeared unattractive because, well, not everyone/everything is beautiful. There are unattractive humans, dwarves, and so forth. It's no different for Elves. These are not Tolkien's almost Angelic looking Elves (thank the Maker...) nor do they have Wings or some such (i.e. Aerie)

The Elves of Thedas were once a powerful/immortal race (so their Lore says) but they weren't perfect in either culture or physical appearance. While there are, certainly, many beautiful Elves among them, either Dalish or City Elves, I don't think they were ever meant to appear flawless; delicate boned and framed? Yes, but that's just how they evolved as a Forest people.

Delicate doesn't equate beauty, so I actually really loved the fact that in DA2 they not only didn't look like small Vulcans (i.e. Dragon Age Origins) but there was, for the most part, a real sense of variety and diversity among them in more then just hair-style or armor. I'm happy that their design, from what I understand, is not being changed for Dragon Age 3.