730 réponses à ce sujet

[Jerrybnsn]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I think some folks use a codex entry attributed to Brother Genitivi as their source. From his writings on the aravel:

"Certainly most humans would agree that the halla are as beautiful as the elves themselves; the fact that many imperial nobles maintain a bounty on halla horns that find their way into Tevinter is an affront the Dalish consider unforgivable."

So...it's Geniviti's opinion on what the opinion of other Thedans might be.

Well, they've certainly made the DA2 elves more "barnyard" attractive I suppose.  So is Geniviti saying that hallas are exploited for the same purposes as the Dragon Age elves?

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 24 juin 2012 - 10:46 .

[greekmonkey95]

http://t2.gstatic.co...wSGsXSeL8O7Ydfg



http://t1.gstatic.co...hGwn9-2W467Pdyw

http://t1.gstatic.co...cK30Ka-fpO20Wrg



There are sooo many ways Bioware can make elves look good and not look soo similar to humans.

[LPPrince]

I wonder if Bioware is going to keep the current art style.

If so, I will be VERY disappointed.

Modifié par LPPrince, 25 juin 2012 - 10:24 .

[Jademoon121]

Like I said, with enough tweaking, the current elves will look fine, even beautiful. Merrill, Fenris, Merethari, Illen, and Orisino; they're the elves that got the most attention and care, and are very good-looking because of it as opposed to the generic elves we see in game.

As someone posted already, it looks like Bioware tried to make the elves appear more sylvan, possibly Halla-like as quoted by Genitivi. They did manage to pull this off to an extent and at least tried to as someone posted a chart of the various facial models that weren't put into the game. You can't exactly expect quality in a rushed game.

Edit, added chart. Aside from the ears, they look pretty good I think. Lots of variability.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 25 juin 2012 - 10:50 .

[RazorrX]

I hope that Elves get a bit of a tweaking for DA3. I do not need them to be redone completely, just made to be more close to the lore. Katriel was beautiful. Elves are stated as being Beautiful and graceful, thus highly sought after as slav . . . er servants in Orlais. Yet the Elves we see for the most part are not either. They need to drop the hunch back posture, thicken the necks and make them look slender vs death camp survivor. They need to move with grace like the Keeper when she entered the Alienage and not like most of the other elves.

So some tweaking and they are fine to me. Just right now most are kind of odd looking.

[Rawgrim]

As long as they look like elves, not donkeys, I guess I will be satisfied.

[Patchwork]

After I got used to the change I grew to like new look somewhat but DA3 needs to adjust the proportions. Shorten the neck, widen the shoulders, give them back their shoes (different thing I know but I hated this).

I saw the new qunari design and immediately thought 'YES! This is perfect' the elf design is just not quite right yet. IMO it needs to be a balance between DAO's and DA2's rather than something new or going completely back.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Yeah, and all dwarves should have scottish accents.

No, I for one love the way DA, and especially DA2 elves look. Keep the look as is, and don't use the standard, tired-old LOTR/Forgotten Realms look that dominated fantasy for over 50 years.

[Nefla]

Rawgrim wrote...

As long as they look like elves, not donkeys, I guess I will be satisfied.

lol I thought I was the only one who was seeing donkeys.

Anyway, the faces are super ugly sure, but I could accept them as just being an ugly race like Batarians in the ME series (though it's hilarious that people keep referring to elves as beautiful even in DA2). It's the ghastly annorexic preying mantis bodies that completely break it for me.

[rapscallioness]

The elves seem to be a very twitchy race. They're always...twitching about.

Regardless, I think Elves look much more convincing as a different race in DA2 than DA:O. In DA:O they just look exactly like humans, but with charming pointy ears....bleh.

Elves remind me of the Asari in ME. Elves, Elves everywhere...

[rapscallioness]

No, please, let's not cry out loud. I hate it when the BSN cries out loud.

While they are a bit slender, no doubt. And stare like deer in headlights...they're still more convincing as a different race in DA2 than DA:O.

They look too human in DA:O. Way too human. Even in the above pics with examples of how they could look different...they still look the same. Human....with pointy ears. Some with extremely pointy ears. But ..

I'm not really sure why they're perceived as so beautiful. In either game. They have very fluid eyes in DA2. Maybe that's it?

edit: *goes to google ..hy-dro--ce-pha-lus*

Modifié par rapscallioness, 29 juin 2012 - 02:23 .

[rapscallioness]

Zevran must be half human in DA2.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Seagloom wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

I hate when elves are basically humans with pointy ears.
The only elves I like are the kind in folklore. The Fey creatures that lived in the woods and under hills and kidnap people.

Indeed. Norse elves and various fairy folk from other lands shall always reign supreme IMO. A shame they never get their due in fantasy games. Instead we always end up with the bland as rocks Tolkien inspired variety.

I'm sorry but I had to repost this up...I mean as mouch as everyone talks about tolkien most of his resources were Germainic and Norse mythos.
 Plus I literally was thinking of ol Alfhiem when they mentioned about Arlathan for the DA elves in general and I personally think of Flemeth as this weird mix of Odin and Loki.

[tisoy13]

in DAO the elves look very different from human they look atleast like human but totally different and i notice it cuz in real world i have seen lotsa races that's why i can describe even the slightest differences.. elves have weak human-like features in facial and body, elves are still humanoid, that's why some elves get impregnated by humans because they find them attractive unlike in DA2 they look some sort of ugly alien............human and elves are just race like caucasians and asians still they're humanoids.......i simply want the DAO elves cuz they look more attractive and more humanly that's why i can relate to DAO elves however in DA2 i don't cuz they don't look presentable bcuz they look like monsters!!!!!

Modifié par tisoy13, 29 juin 2012 - 04:04 .

[tisoy13]

greekmonkey95 wrote...





http://t2.gstatic.co...wSGsXSeL8O7Ydfg



http://t1.gstatic.co...hGwn9-2W467Pdyw

http://t1.gstatic.co...cK30Ka-fpO20Wrg



There are sooo many ways Bioware can make elves look good and not look soo similar to humans.

this are examples of presentable and appealing elves...unlike in DA2 they look more like this:alien: an alien

[LolaLei]

I'm not gonna lie, I'd be put off playing as an Elf in DA3 if they look the same as they do in DA2. Merrill looked kinda cute, but very childlike in an alien sort of way... which is creepy. Plus, you know you'd try to customise him/her in character creator, only for them to end up looking like this:

[rapscallioness]

Faerunner wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

While they are a bit slender, no doubt. And stare like deer in headlights...they're still more convincing as a different race in DA2 than DA:O.

... And large cow eyes, and long donkey ears, and freakishly flat noses, and bone-thin bodies...

Has Bioware specified what "race" means in this context? Do they mean different species like horses and donkies, people with different physical and cultural features thanks to prolonged genetic and social isolation like Europeans and Asians, or maybe something in between? Because neither game has specified. Unless the former is confirmed, I'm not convinced that the "racial" differences between humans and elves in DA:O was lacking.

rapscallioness wrote...

They look too human in DA:O. Way too human. Even in the above pics with examples of how they could look different...they still look the same. Human....with pointy ears. Some with extremely pointy ears. But ..

Not everyone thinks this is a problem. I personally like the depiction in the first game. 

I thought it was interesting and unique as most games just depict humans and elves as different species with inherently different personalities and values based on their genetics, whereas DA:O seemed to be the first to depict elves as people first and their differences and conflicts with humans to be more culture-based (with shades of real-world racial and cultural conflicts). DA2 rolls around and it's back to "oh, they're different races, that's why they don't get along." Gee BioWare, I almost had a thought there for a second.

rapscallioness wrote...

I'm not really sure why they're perceived as so beautiful. In either game. They have very fluid eyes in DA2. Maybe that's it?

I find the perceived beauty of elves in the first game to be far more believable than the second game.

Obviously you like the depiction of elves better in the first game. You have an avatar with it. I assumed you liked that. Personally, I think the Keeper to be in DA:O looks like a suburban mom.

I don't think the racial differences means different species because they can and do interbreed. Maybe it's fairy magic that makes them able to breed with humans because I've never seen someone of the human species with ears like that.

In DA2 the elves looked more distinct from the humans. Instead of just humans wearing a Halloween costume. Whether because of race/species/fairy magic.. It's nice to have variety in character models as well as environments.

They look much better in DA2 than DA:O. To Me. Now, I'm not arguing that they don't look like anorexic cows. But I'd rather that than the bland-y bland render in DA:O.

As far as DA2 and why humans and elves didn't get along, there were definitely racial overtones, but I got the sense it came more from a long history of war. Fighting for territory.

[rapscallioness]

LolaLei wrote...

I'm not gonna lie, I'd be put off playing as an Elf in DA3 if they look the same as they do in DA2. Merrill looked kinda cute, but very childlike in an alien sort of way... which is creepy. Plus, you know you'd try to customise him/her in character creator, only for them to end up looking like this:

Lol.

[rapscallioness]

tisoy13 wrote...

in DAO the elves look very different from human they look atleast like human but totally different and i notice it cuz in real world i have seen lotsa races that's why i can describe even the slightest differences.. elves have weak human-like features in facial and body, elves are still humanoid, that's why some elves get impregnated by humans because they find them attractive unlike in DA2 they look some sort of ugly alien............human and elves are just race like caucasians and asians still they're humanoids.......i simply want the DAO elves cuz they look more attractive and more humanly that's why i can relate to DAO elves however in DA2 i don't cuz they don't look presentable bcuz they look like monsters!!!!!

I can understand that.

But what about the Qunari? Does a character have to be attractive and familiar in order to relate to them as an individual?

edit: What about Larius in Legacy?

I giggle about how Orianna in DA2 looks, but I feel for her. I feel pain for her, and what she's been through.

Modifié par rapscallioness, 29 juin 2012 - 04:41 .

[mythlover20]

Well, humans and elves are at best sub-species of each other, or they are just different breeds of the same species. The genome would not be all that different, therefore it is logical that elves would look quite a bit like humans, with only minor traits denoting the sub-species/breed.

Take today for instance. people from different genetic backgrounds, ie breeds (or for those who still subscribe to the notion of race, races), are around 99.999999% the same, with only very minor physiological differences. That is: melanin levels, a slight shift in nose or eye shape, and the tiny differences that make organ transplants such a problem. And that's it. But we're all part of the same ****** sapien sapien ... forgot the right word so i'll just say species.

On the other end of the scale would be our direct ancestors, Cro Magnon (****** sapien sapien), and the other human species that was actually a separate species, Neanderthals (****** sapien neandertalis). Our DNA was still 99% the same, allowing interbreeding to be possible, and even then the only real noticable physical differences were the pronounced brow ridge, the large nostrils, slightly smaller and stockier form, and slightly reduced cranial capacity.

Apply this to the fantasy realms, and Elves should by rights look almost exactly like a human. Even if they are a completely separate ****** sapien species, (and I believe they would be somewhere between the two above examples) any physical differences would be almost negligible.

So, in conclusion for those rather long-winded, round about way, I believe the DA:O elves were more realistic. Maybe a slightly more lithe frame, and slightly more bat-like ears to account for their "natural" origins (doesn't make much sense but I think you'll know what I mean), maybe a slight shift in eye shape, but for the most part, I think they should look like a human species, and not just homonid. Interbreeding wouldn't be possible if they were too different, and we all know it is.

Oh, btw, while I think about it, I've always thought elves would have evolved in and adapted to a more forested environment, where as we humans evolved on and adapted to plains and grasslands - ie more open areas.

I know, it's weird to adapt the theory of evolution to a fantasy world, but it helps me make sense of their cultural origins if I do.

Modifié par mythlover20, 29 juin 2012 - 07:03 .

[Xenofire]

I fear that if BW decides to modify the look of Elves, they'll modify Merrill's look too. Something that some of us would not want 



In my opinion The Witcher 2 had some interesting elf concept, in particular Iorveth:

However in terms of looking alien, the original witcher does it best. Arrogant, self-centered humanoids who rip you off for fixing mirrors (there is an ironic connotation to Merrill here). In which most of the males have a bad case of baldness and like wearing the hides of the animals they poach (again, ironic). TW have elves which are far more difficult to understand than those in DA.

I might also point out that in a certain twisted sense elves are supposed to look deviant, they are elves not humans. If (fictionally) ghouls, wraiths, zombies and trolls exist in the same plain as humans, would you not expect elves too, to be foreign in nature?
True, DA2's elves look strange for some, they walk barefoot, mostly all are anorexic and some frolic in the woods. But that is what they are.

Frankly, if I'm looking for something to lift my spirits I'll stop by Dragon Age. The elves there, despite being despised, are more fictional and happy-go-lucky, which I love dearly. If I want serious and dark storytelling that would be more aligned with 'if they existed in this world' then I'll go to TW, as the elves there give off more of a desperate tale.
Although I would like BW to not have the elves becoming more close to death via apparent unhealthy eating habits and death via malnutrition 

Modifié par Xenofire, 29 juin 2012 - 11:54 .