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[SPARKSMAN x261x]

signed.

[Blind2Society]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Also, the Black Widow IS automatic.

Automatic means the action will cycle continuously by itself until the ammo is gone if you hold the trigger. That IS NOT how the Black Widow works.

  Except... yeah it is.  Have you ever tried to hold down the button to fire or did you just, as usual, make up an arbitrary answer and baselessly assume you were right?

As usual coming into threads that are not intended for just to cause a stir because you like to argue and think you opinion is more valid and important than others'.

I've also found that you really don't like to read before you post. Check the post two above yours.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 14 juin 2012 - 02:19 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Also, the Black Widow IS automatic.

Automatic
means the action will cycle continuously by itself until the ammo is
gone if you hold the trigger. That IS NOT how the Black Widow
works.

  Except... yeah it is.  Have you ever tried to hold down the button to fire or did you just, as usual, make up an arbitrary answer and baselessly assume you were right?

As usual coming into threads that are not intended for just to cause a stir because you like to argue and think you opinion is more valid and important than others'.

My opinion is more valid than yours because I give facts and you deny facts.

I've also found that you really don't like to read before you post. Check the post two above yours.

And said posts were made while I was typing my response to the quoted post -- I couldn't have seen them before posting.  And they frankly don't affect what I said at all.  The first thing you did when presented with a fact was arbitrarily and baselessly deny it.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 14 juin 2012 - 02:32 .

[Star fury]

BoomDynamite wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Melee focused krogan

Lol wtf


You shouldn't argue based on the silver difficulty. it hurts your slimming chances of me taking you seriously. 

Balance is about gold.

What does rage give 40% listed DR at max? so what is that about 25% actual DR? then at best you have tech armor which is about 35% actual DR at max so you get 60% DR of the two abilties together assuming you spec pure D. Now what does that effectivley do? if an atlas 2 shots your with railgun shields with only tech armor on you now get 3 shots for 30 secs? GAME CHANGER

Where as TC allows you to continually avoid all fire and reposition your self on command. While retaining the ability to dodge,and if the SI regen your shields. 


Now let's move on to it's offensive potential. 

Rage gives a whole **** load of melee damage but there are somethings to note
-In order to use this damage you have to be right next to an enemy, a big no no for phantoms,atlit,Turrets,primes,banshees, ravagers, and brutes
-It's ineffictive against armor
-It has a long animation leaving you very open
-it's ineffective in smoke the centurions and atli deploy
-It cannot be used against cloaked enemies effectivley due to targeting
-you are stagger vunerable as a Krogan Soldier or sentinel and thus not very effective at meleeing any geth
-You can not dodge. Once you charge it has to die or you do
-it can be interupted by all sync kills mid animation

So it basically lets you kill centurions and pyros who you single out in a corner with ease. Game changer.

Where as cloak provides the highest weapon damage spike in game and can be used on command from a distance with a 3 sec CD. 

So once again i ask

Why the **** would i want rage over cloak? 

It's really not that hard to successfully run an all Melee KSe on Gold... I do it all the time successfully.

BoomDynamite, you certainly have a video of melee Krogan soldier/sentinel successfully running gold?

[J-Reyno]

BoomDynamite wrote... 

They don't have high health and shields (HM cuts GI by 375.5)

I have seen this repeated so many times.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they have the same health and shields as their respective races in any other class?  How is this even an argument? GI is also not the only infiltrator, HM is not TC, and GE also has access to HM without the ability to prevent enemies from shooting him.   I mean, really...

BoomDynamite wrote... 

and they don't have many powers.

They have 3 powers like every other character, one of which is arguably the greatest utility power in the game and inarguably the greatest damage booster.

BoomDynamite wrote... 

Tech Armor gives Sentinels a MASSIVE boost to durability.

Massive? No.  A boost? Yes.  But to what end?  I still can't make enemies stop shooting my sentinel, dropping my shields in less than 2 seconds.

Also, Vanguards are high risk, high reward.  And cloak DOES work, often and well, allowing infiltrators unparalleled maneuvarability across the battlefield.

In spite of this, I don't think TC is THAT bad.  The one thing I think really needs to be done with TC is to make the cooldown apply normally at all times.  

[RequiemPrime]

Lee80alabama wrote...



Signed

  I should tweet Chris to see if he could give us some support, for our cause.

[Jonathan Shepard]

TC needs an adjustment, certainly, and GodlessPaladin's suggestion is one of the best out there.

[Adhok42]

BoomDynamite wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Also, the Black Widow IS automatic.

Automatic means the action will cycle continuously by itself until the ammo is gone if you hold the trigger. That IS NOT how the Black Widow works. I suppose if you're on console and you have one of those controllers it's automatic because the trigger is your button.

Actually, it is fully automatic. Although slow, it's full auto.

I'll have to check but I could have SWORN it's a Semi-auto.

[Blind2Society]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

My opinion is more valid than yours because I give facts and you deny facts.

You live in a dilusional world where you think your opinion is more important because you think your opinions are facts.

And the first thing I did when I came into this thread is sign the petition Like I was supposed to. You on the other hand, you came into this thread in which you have no place with the specific intention of causing a stir and starting an argument. Because, again, you think your opinions are the only ones that matter. Mission successful, now go away.

I believe there is a thread around here where someone may give a crap about your opinions. Oh yeah, here it is.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 14 juin 2012 - 02:33 .

[Pavs719]

Leave the cloak alone, also fix it so it does not uncloak straight after you cloak.

[Baine10]

In a game where DPS is the main game, a class that does nothing but DPS and does it exceedingly well in comparism with the other classes, is overpowered.

Bioware should have defined the class system better. Every class is simply a class to deal damage differently, but the main game is still damage, hence why it is sadly impossible for "support" classes to shine truly.

[Pavs719]

signed

Modifié par Pavs719, 14 juin 2012 - 02:36 .

[ralvareziii]

i dont understand why people want this nerfed because they are not #1 on the score board?is it because you dont want to get your credits?or you just mad cuz yu dont ever use infiltrator and its lv 1

[BoomDynamite]

Star fury wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Melee focused krogan

Lol wtf


You shouldn't argue based on the silver difficulty. it hurts your slimming chances of me taking you seriously. 

Balance is about gold.

What does rage give 40% listed DR at max? so what is that about 25% actual DR? then at best you have tech armor which is about 35% actual DR at max so you get 60% DR of the two abilties together assuming you spec pure D. Now what does that effectivley do? if an atlas 2 shots your with railgun shields with only tech armor on you now get 3 shots for 30 secs? GAME CHANGER

Where as TC allows you to continually avoid all fire and reposition your self on command. While retaining the ability to dodge,and if the SI regen your shields. 


Now let's move on to it's offensive potential. 

Rage gives a whole **** load of melee damage but there are somethings to note
-In order to use this damage you have to be right next to an enemy, a big no no for phantoms,atlit,Turrets,primes,banshees, ravagers, and brutes
-It's ineffictive against armor
-It has a long animation leaving you very open
-it's ineffective in smoke the centurions and atli deploy
-It cannot be used against cloaked enemies effectivley due to targeting
-you are stagger vunerable as a Krogan Soldier or sentinel and thus not very effective at meleeing any geth
-You can not dodge. Once you charge it has to die or you do
-it can be interupted by all sync kills mid animation

So it basically lets you kill centurions and pyros who you single out in a corner with ease. Game changer.

Where as cloak provides the highest weapon damage spike in game and can be used on command from a distance with a 3 sec CD. 

So once again i ask

Why the **** would i want rage over cloak? 

It's really not that hard to successfully run an all Melee KSe on Gold... I do it all the time successfully.

BoomDynamite, you certainly have a video of melee Krogan soldier/sentinel successfully running gold?

You can die at times, but if you spec it right you can really take some aggro away from your teammates. But no, I don't have a video recorder for my Xbox.

[Adhok42]

Reyno411 wrote...

I have seen this repeated so many times.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they have the same health and shields as their respective races in any other class?  How is this even an argument? GI is also not the only infiltrator, HM is not TC, and GE also has access to HM without the ability to prevent enemies from shooting him.   I mean, really...

Here's your news flash.

Geth have double the amount of shields of everyone else but only a third as much health. This gets slashed in Hunter mode where you gain all sorts of cool bonuses but lose 50% of your shields. It's there on the Hunter mode. A Geth without shields has only half a second to get to cover before it gets dropped. THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT BAD.

Quarians have a full 100 point difference between shields and health. Salarians probably about the same, need to check. Oh and the health is lower.

Humans are the only balanced at 500 on both.

If you seriously believe all health and shields are balance, you obviously haven't been paying attention to the numbers on the upper left corner of the screen while in your powers menu.

*Gibbs Smack*

[GodlessPaladin]

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Also, the Black Widow IS automatic.

Automatic
means the action will cycle continuously by itself until the ammo is
gone if you hold the trigger. That IS NOT how the Black Widow
works.

  Except... yeah it is.  Have you ever tried to hold down the button to fire or did you just, as usual, make up an arbitrary answer and baselessly assume you were right?

As
usual coming into threads that are not intended for just to cause a
stir because you like to argue and think you opinion is more valid and
important than others'.

My opinion is more valid than yours because I give facts and you deny facts.

You live in a dilusional world where you think your opinion is more important because you think your opinions are facts.

  Yep, totally delusional becase I think it's a fact that the Black Widow is fully automatic when it, you know, is. 

I believe there is a thread around here where someone may give a crap about your opinions. Oh yeah, here it is.

I think people care about my opinions in this thread, what with comments about how my suggestions are "among the best out there."  Or maybe that's just me being delusional again. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 14 juin 2012 - 02:45 .

[Star fury]

BoomDynamite wrote...

Star fury wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Melee focused krogan

Lol wtf


You shouldn't argue based on the silver difficulty. it hurts your slimming chances of me taking you seriously. 

Balance is about gold.

What does rage give 40% listed DR at max? so what is that about 25% actual DR? then at best you have tech armor which is about 35% actual DR at max so you get 60% DR of the two abilties together assuming you spec pure D. Now what does that effectivley do? if an atlas 2 shots your with railgun shields with only tech armor on you now get 3 shots for 30 secs? GAME CHANGER

Where as TC allows you to continually avoid all fire and reposition your self on command. While retaining the ability to dodge,and if the SI regen your shields. 


Now let's move on to it's offensive potential. 

Rage gives a whole **** load of melee damage but there are somethings to note
-In order to use this damage you have to be right next to an enemy, a big no no for phantoms,atlit,Turrets,primes,banshees, ravagers, and brutes
-It's ineffictive against armor
-It has a long animation leaving you very open
-it's ineffective in smoke the centurions and atli deploy
-It cannot be used against cloaked enemies effectivley due to targeting
-you are stagger vunerable as a Krogan Soldier or sentinel and thus not very effective at meleeing any geth
-You can not dodge. Once you charge it has to die or you do
-it can be interupted by all sync kills mid animation

So it basically lets you kill centurions and pyros who you single out in a corner with ease. Game changer.

Where as cloak provides the highest weapon damage spike in game and can be used on command from a distance with a 3 sec CD. 

So once again i ask

Why the **** would i want rage over cloak? 

It's really not that hard to successfully run an all Melee KSe on Gold... I do it all the time successfully.

BoomDynamite, you certainly have a video of melee Krogan soldier/sentinel successfully running gold?

You can die at times, but if you spec it right you can really take some aggro away from your teammates. But no, I don't have a video recorder for my Xbox.

I expected that answer.

[Lee80]

Angelwave wrote...



  I should tweet Chris to see if he could give us some support, for our cause.

I'd like to think he'd be against unjust nerfs.  You should totally ask his opinion on the matter.  

[GodlessPaladin]

ralvareziii wrote...

i dont understand why people want this nerfed because they are not #1 on the score board?is it because you dont want to get your credits?or you just mad cuz yu dont ever use infiltrator and its lv 1

There are several topics on this subject if you genuinely don't understand people's motivations here.  Here's one of 'em:  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/12361238/1

[Blind2Society]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

My opinion is more valid than yours because I give facts and you deny facts.

You live in a dilusional world where you think your opinion is more important because you think your opinions are facts.

  Yep, totally delusional becase I think the Black Widow is fully automatic when it is. 

I believe there is a thread around here where someone may give a crap about your opinions. Oh yeah, here it is.

I think people care about my opinions in this thread, what with comments about how my suggestions are "among the best out there."

Yup, the people who should also be in the thread I linked with you. In case you didn't notice this thread is a petition, for those who don't want TC to change, to sign. It is not a thread for you to argue because you're right about everything. So you and your friends can click that link I provided and leave us in peace.

About the BW, I was wrong and I stated as such. But I'm sure you'll hold onto that till the day you die just as I'm sure you would argue the earth was flat till the day you die if you believed such, and you'd probably do it in a thread made for discussing how to swap the flywheel on my motorcycle.

Now please, click the link, leave us in peace and stop trying to argue.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 14 juin 2012 - 02:47 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Adhok42 wrote...

BoomDynamite wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Also, the Black Widow IS automatic.

Automatic means the action will cycle continuously by itself until the ammo is gone if you hold the trigger. That IS NOT how the Black Widow works. I suppose if you're on console and you have one of those controllers it's automatic because the trigger is your button.

Actually, it is fully automatic. Although slow, it's full auto.

I'll have to check but I could have SWORN it's a Semi-auto.

I can guarantee you with 100% confidence that it is just as automatic as the Phaeston.  It just has a slow ROF.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 14 juin 2012 - 02:47 .

[Baine10]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Also, the Black Widow IS automatic.

Automatic
means the action will cycle continuously by itself until the ammo is
gone if you hold the trigger. That IS NOT how the Black Widow
works.

  Except... yeah it is.  Have you ever tried to hold down the button to fire or did you just, as usual, make up an arbitrary answer and baselessly assume you were right?

As
usual coming into threads that are not intended for just to cause a
stir because you like to argue and think you opinion is more valid and
important than others'.

My opinion is more valid than yours because I give facts and you deny facts.

You live in a dilusional world where you think your opinion is more important because you think your opinions are facts.

  Yep, totally delusional becase I think it's a fact that the Black Widow is fully automatic when it, you know, is. 

I believe there is a thread around here where someone may give a crap about your opinions. Oh yeah, here it is.

I think people care about my opinions in this thread, what with comments about how my suggestions are "among the best out there."

Or maybe that's just me being delusional again. 

If you read the 2 posts previous to the one where you insulted him, you would have realized that Blind has been corrected by other more agreeable forumites and has known his honest mistake.

Of course some people care about your opinion. You have a small following. Hitler had a following too*. People died for his opinion.

That doesn't mean you're more important than others.

You're delusional in your self-importance. Blind's just trying, albiet insultingly, to stop you from detracting from the main topic.

On the other hand, your suggestion only fixes the damage component of the cloak. If it's a TACTICAL cloak, not being able to use it for objectives (due to the sorry 4 second duration) makes it un-TACTICAL, doesn't it?

Modifié par Baine10, 14 juin 2012 - 02:51 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Blind2Society wrote...
About the BW, I was wrong and I stated as such.

  You also told me I was delusional for considering it a fact that the Black Widow is fully automatic and have spent the last page flaming me for telling you the exact same thing BoomDynamite did, typing at the same time but posting a minute or so later.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 14 juin 2012 - 02:53 .

[Blind2Society]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...
About the BW, I was wrong and I stated as such.

  You also told me I was delusional for considering it a fact that the Black Widow is fully automatic.

Did I say that you were dilusional for your comment on the black widow? Hmmm, I don't recall ever saying that, could you point me to where I said that?

I remember saying you were wrong only to find out that I was and admitted as such but the dilusional comment was not directed at any particular post.

Perhaps you just like to twist things so you can keep arguing?

[GodlessPaladin]

Blind2Society wrote...
Did I say that you were dilusional for your comment on the black widow?

  You said I was delusional for saying that the opinion that it was automatic was a fact which you denied without any consideration or basis.

Hmmm, I don't recall ever saying that, could you point me to where I said that?

You live in a dilusional world where you think your opinion is more important because you think your opinions are facts.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 14 juin 2012 - 03:00 .