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But I feel change is inevitable, first sabotage, the Huntermode....
Actually I hope they buff it just really upset some people. That would be hilarious.
Petition: Leave Tactical Cloak alone!
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#177
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 06:36
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Can't believe this has become such a big deal. If you're mad an infiltrator is beating your score, get better. And in a co-op game, why do people make this into such a big deal?
Can't believe this has become such a big deal. If you're mad an infiltrator is beating your score, get better. And in a co-op game, why do people make this into such a big deal?
#178
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 06:41
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Mal3fact0r wrote...
Also curious why you single out Infiltrators to try and force them to make "meaningful choices" when the entire game is littered with "no brainer" skill choices for every class and race.
...I didn't? I've made suggestions for literally every class in the game. <_<
However, I only brought up Tactical Cloak in this thread because this is a thread about Tactical Cloak.
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#181
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 06:47
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GodlessPaladin wrote...
Mal3fact0r wrote...
Also curious why you single out Infiltrators to try and force them to make "meaningful choices" when the entire game is littered with "no brainer" skill choices for every class and race.
...I didn't? I've made suggestions for literally every class in the game. <_<
However, I only brought up Tactical Cloak in this thread because this is a thread about Tactical Cloak.
Like every thread on the forums these days it seems.
I'm curious about your ideas for other classes, and how they will be balanced and forced to make meaningful choices.
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Posté 14 juin 2012 - 06:48
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Mal3fact0r wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Mal3fact0r wrote...
Also curious why you single out Infiltrators to try and force them to make "meaningful choices" when the entire game is littered with "no brainer" skill choices for every class and race.
...I didn't? I've made suggestions for literally every class in the game. <_<
However, I only brought up Tactical Cloak in this thread because this is a thread about Tactical Cloak.
Like every thread on the forums these days it seems.
I'm curious about your ideas for other classes, and how they will be balanced and forced to make meaningful choices.
One that affects almost everyone was changing the melee fitness tree as well as all of the melee stats. For most taking the bottom row of Fitness over the top row is a no brainer. So yeah.
#184
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 06:58
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Not for melee builds though. If you changed the top row, melee builds would be lacking and if you change the bottom players overall would be far too squishy. You can go full melee, full health or a healthy mix of both. And fitness is the most sensible category for those kinds of upgrades.
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#185
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 06:59
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N7 Rixus wrote...
Signed because I hate the other petition thread wanting the tactical cloak balanced and that 90% damage bonus will be useful if they're going to make a harder difficulty then gold.
You obviously aren't reading that thread then. Most don't want to lose damage. Just make only the first shot work for the extra damage and that the cooldown be uniform. Makes you have to choose between uber power damage or uber sniper damage.
Also, that petition want's shieldgate gone
#187
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 07:00
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Not for melee builds though. If you changed the top row, melee builds would be lacking.
Buffing melee for most characters. That means more characters for which melee fitness is a competitive choice with shield/health fitness or no fitness.
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#188
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 07:01
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CTMac wrote...
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Can't believe this has become such a big deal. If you're mad an infiltrator is beating your score, get better. And in a co-op game, why do people make this into such a big deal?
Tired of this point... even SINGLE player games have been balanced throughout the ages. Can't have you running around as a demi-god unless it's meant to be done in the game.
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Posté 14 juin 2012 - 07:02
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oh well if they did make first shot only work on TC's damage bonus that pretty much makes me return to my claymore and sniper builds instead, that just makes my SMG build redundant but I guess you have a point not all classes should be able to use all weapons effectively like a vanguard with a BW.
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#190
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 07:03
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Well you didn't say that, I assumed and apparently made an ass out of myself.
But still, even if the damage bonus were higher, only melee builds would take melee damage over health so the change wouldn't really affect much.
But still, even if the damage bonus were higher, only melee builds would take melee damage over health so the change wouldn't really affect much.
#191
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 07:06
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Leave them alone, just leave them the hell alone! *cries hysterically*
#192
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 07:06
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Signed. i feel that if tc gets nerffed you will ****** off a far bigger majority of the player base than if you leave it alone, plus if it does get nerffed, what target will be next? I assure you there will be a next target, there always is.
#193
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 07:10
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COLZ7R wrote...
plus if it does get nerffed, what target will be next? I assure you there will be a next target, there always is.
Probably grenade gear.
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#194
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 07:11
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COLZ7R wrote...
Signed. i feel that if tc gets nerffed you will ****** off a far bigger majority of the player base than if you leave it alone, plus if it does get nerffed, what target will be next? I assure you there will be a next target, there always is.
You sir have made the best point all night, and I applaud you. Almost makes me change my mind, but meh. There are far more good poitns for things with TC that need to be fixed.. You are right that people will probably leave because of that, and that isn't good for the game either. So now really, it's a lose lose situation.
Leave the class op, but keep players, or fix the game and lose players... Damnit! I wish people weren't so misinformed and made rash decisions!
#195
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 07:21
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BoomDynamite wrote...
The Infiltrator class has a lot of firepower, but that's it. They've got nothing else besides firepower, and the ability to, guess what, infiltrate. They don't have high health and shields (HM cuts GI by 375.5) and they don't have many powers. They're meant to get the job done through debuffs and weapon damage, and they do just that. They can't set up 500 biotic explosions like Asari Adepts or Human Sentinels, which are much more powerful than any of their attacks. Tactical Cloak is what gives Infiltrators that edge, just as Biotic Charge can make a Vanguard almost invincible, or as Tech Armor gives Sentinels a MASSIVE boost to durability. It's fine. Leave it alone Bioware. You WILL lose customers if you nerf it like you did to the Falcon. There's one right here.
LEAVE TACTICAL CLOAK ALONE!
Serious thread, no flaming. (Not even going to put a smilie face here like I always do)
All those characters you mention get their shields and a couple of health bars shot off doing that, if they don't get killed thx to your infiltrator dumping his aggro on them. Mean while, the infiltrator is hiding on the other side of the map safe. It is UNFAIR to use the team as decoys.
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Posté 14 juin 2012 - 08:09
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GodlessPaladin wrote...
COLZ7R wrote...
plus if it does get nerffed, what target will be next? I assure you there will be a next target, there always is.
Probably grenade gear.
Or grenades themselves. 4 players using grenade wielding classes can rush and obliterate spawns in seconds. Then perhaps BE's, with their ease of set up and detonation (no aim required, very short CD's and minimal exposure time from cover needed to "cast") and massive AOE damage. Vanguards, if they ever fix the bug/lag issue they are going to need looking at as well. Plenty of targets for nerf calls and once it starts, it never stops. Hopefully BioWare has the sense to balance the game as they see fit, as I suspect they will .
#198
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 08:14
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Grenade gear is a more sensible target than grenades themselves. Grenade gear is an obviously better choice than other gear slot options for grenadiers.
I feel obliged to point out that this and other comments like it I've been seeing is a Slippery Slope argument if it's used to justify the status quo.
Mal3fact0r wrote...
Plenty of targets for nerf calls and once it starts, it never stops.
I feel obliged to point out that this and other comments like it I've been seeing is a Slippery Slope argument if it's used to justify the status quo.
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#200
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 08:23
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The only thing I could possibly imagine changing is that the damage bonus should be exclusively applied to sniper rifles. Other than that, it's a great template for how other classes should be, and how Bioware ****ed up on actually making classes good at one thing by deciding you should be able to play any class any way ****tily.
The only thing I could possibly imagine changing is that the damage bonus should be exclusively applied to sniper rifles. Other than that, it's a great template for how other classes should be, and how Bioware ****ed up on actually making classes good at one thing by deciding you should be able to play any class any way ****tily.
