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[Nimpe]

I was playing through Blackpowder Courtesy and got to the part where Hawke is ambushed in the alleys when I noticed something. The elf who complains about humans has the same hair style and voice actor as Velanna. Is this a coincidence, reference, or cameo?

[thats1evildude]

Three strikes against that theory:

1) Her facial features are quite a bit different than Velanna's own.
2) Her voice is different. (April Brannigan voiced the Elven Fanatic and Velanna was voiced by Grey Delisle.)
3) Velanna wasn't a two-handed warrior.

Also, Velanna's hairstyle wasn't unique: Morrigan had it, except she was a brunette.

I think the crazy elven woman was just a callback to Velanna's own extremism, sort of like how Corypheus is  a callback to the Architect.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 14 juin 2012 - 03:53 .

[Nimpe]

thats1evildude wrote...

Three strikes against that theory:

1) Her facial features are quite a bit different than Velanna's own.
2) Her voice is different. (April Brannigan voiced the Elven Fanatic and Velanna was voiced by Grey Delisle.)
3) Velanna wasn't a two-handed warrior.

Also, Velanna's hairstyle wasn't unique: Morrigan had it, except she was a brunette.

I think the crazy elven woman was just a callback to Velanna's own extremism, sort of like how Corypheus is  a callback to the Architect.

Hm. That was quick. Has this been mentioned before? I could probably argue over point one with the art style but the other two prove it wrong beyond debate, I suppose. I had thought that the voices were the same. Even the wiki page for Blackpowder promise said that they were and hinted towards the same idea I had. Oh well. 

[TEWR]

There is a reference to Velanna in-game, but it's not the Elven Fanatic. It's made by Anders at some point during your travels on Sundermount as you leave the camp area.

Regarding the Elven Fanatic, I really wish there was the option to take her in alive so I could interrogate her for information on who "Hawke's people" that she was in cahoots with were.

I mean, I the player know who they are. But I as Hawke do not immediately know, though I can take a pretty good guess as to who it is.

Additionally, I just wanted to give the poor girl a hug. She really did need one. She was vulnerable and Sister Petrice took advantage of that vulnerability.

thats1evildude wrote...

2) Her voice is different. (April Brannigan voiced the Elven Fanatic and Velanna was voiced by Grey Delisle.)

If Velanna did show up in future cameos, she'd have a Welsh/Irish voice since she's Dalish and all Dalish have such voices.

Unless Grey Delisle can do one, the VA would change.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 juin 2012 - 04:04 .

[thats1evildude]

Even if she stole the wrong weapon, she still planned on killing a bunch of people. It's one thing to hate the qunari, and it's another to murder a slew of innocents to start a war with them.

[wsandista]

No. I hated what happened to Zevran, I do not want to see how she would look in DA2.

[TEWR]

thats1evildude wrote...

Even if she stole the wrong weapon, she still planned on killing a bunch of people. It's one thing to hate the qunari, and it's another to murder a slew of innocents to start a war with them.

But that plan probably originated from Petrice's mind, not the Elven woman's. I mean really, who is the one that's actively coming up with various ways to get a war started with them? Ways that would work, had things gone according to the person's plan?

Petrice.

The Elven woman was vulnerable at the loss of her siblings, and Petrice took advantage of that I feel. I don't think the Elven woman really wanted a war to start with them until Petrice talked to her. She was probably just like everyone else prior to that quest: a fervent hater of the Qunari but nothing more.

Petrice on the other hand is the one deliberately trying to make the situation worse, by coming up with schemes. Shepherding Wolves, Blackpowder Courtesy, and Following the Qun.

All originated from Petrice's little fanatical mind. And all of them would've worked, had they gone according to her plan.

[thats1evildude]

Perhaps. The plan could have come from Ser Varnell as well. But even if it wasn't her idea, she still followed through on the plan.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 14 juin 2012 - 04:32 .

[TEWR]

Like I said, she was vulnerable and thus could be influenced. I'm sure Petrice probably duped her with some sort of idea that she could get her siblings back.

And like I said, she needed a hug. And a shoulder to cry on.

[Ihatebadgames]

Yes Mother Petrice did not end the way I wanted.I really wanted her to go to Aeonar as I wanted to see if Lily was still there.

[thats1evildude]

She hated the wrong target. It wasn't the qunari who were truly her enemy (though one could argue that they are the enemy of all Thedas. Those elves likely turned to the Qun because they have the faint hope of a better life within the Qun.

It doesn't help the elven people when individuals take it on their own to "strike back" at their oppressors. It just makes the humans of Thedas more convinced that the elves deserve their shoddy treatment.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 14 juin 2012 - 04:34 .

[TEWR]

thats1evildude wrote...

She hated the wrong target.

I'm not contesting that.

But if you lost a sibling and your mind is pretty much fraught with grief and despair, would you be able to think rationally?

I'm not saying she was right in what she did, but I can understand why she did it if my assumptions about how she came to be a part of it are correct. And I see no reason to believe otherwise.

But I am saying she needed a better outlet for her grief that wasn't Petrice. A hug and a shoulder.

Had that been there, that alone would've improved DAII for me a little bit.

It doesn't help the elven people when individuals take it on their own to "strike back" at their oppressors. It just makes the humans of Thedas more convinced that the elves deserve their shoddy treatment.

But when you understand that the Chantry was telling them to attack the city so as to start a war with the Qunari, the Elves don't really prove the humans right. If the humans are telling them this is what they should do, then it's showing humans that other humans can't always be trusted -- which should be known anyway. Ones that are part of the Chantry no less

Or should, in an ideal world.

If people were smart, they'd understand that the Elves don't deserve their shoddy treatment in situations like that.

But people are, primarily speaking, not smart.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 juin 2012 - 05:42 .

[Goneaviking]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

It doesn't help the elven people when individuals take it on their own to "strike back" at their oppressors. It just makes the humans of Thedas more convinced that the elves deserve their shoddy treatment.

But when you understand that the Chantry was telling them to attack the city so as to start a war with the Qunari, the Elves don't really prove the humans right. If the humans are telling them this is what they should do, then it's showing that humans can't be trusted -- which should be known anyway.

Or should, in an ideal world.

Unfortunately people generally only see what they want to see. Whatever proof investigators would have presented would have been interpreted to confirm previously existing prejudices for almost everyone who relied on second hand news.

The Qunari are dangerous religious zealots, and the elves are an unreliable fifth column.

[Gervaise]

The elf fanatic does not seem to be thinking clearly. She actually says "poor people" and seems genuinely upset that so many people have died from it. Then her emotion shifts back to vengence and she tries to kill Hawke and companions, no doubt to lay the blame on the Qunari for the deaths. After all she didn't realise that she was making up a poison but a supply of explosive for Petrice to use. Which is ironic when you think about it - Petrice was planning on starting a war by blowing something up - may be that is where Anders got his idea from.

[thats1evildude]

It's implied that the saar-qamek has also affected her, along with the mercenaries she's employing.