I prefer Quarian Male Engineer to QMI any day of the week. I'd rather set off Tech Bursts and Fire Explosions like a bawss than just be another sniper jockey.
Other than the Salarian, Engineers are unplayable
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#277
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 12:47
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Case in point.CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
Nope. Try again. Your laziness is no excuse.
Bye bye!
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#278
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 12:49
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WaffleCrab wrote...
astheoceansblue wrote...
Everything you write makes me feel happy to be me.CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
I'm a bad player. You're Godlike and make weak men tremble. I'm still allowed to have an opinion about the game. And your posts are still the verbal equivalent of Ambien.
ha ha he finally did it, spoke himself into a bag, finally admits hes wrong and that it is AN OPINION! and not based on any empiric evidence, took him only 11 pages.
i wonder if he feels silly now
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Okay, now this incredibly moronic post is going too far. The vast majority of what I've written in this thread is an opinion. It is not my fault that you have trouble distinguishing between fact and opinion. In my opinion, you're also not very intelligent. I'll leave it to you to decide whether that's true.
#279
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 12:49
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Which is great, but... your initial post does come across as more of a statement rather than an enquiry, which I guess is why this thread is now 11 pages.CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
My thread has no basis. You're right. I admitted a long time ago that I might not know what I'm talking about when it comes to the Engineer. So your point is what exactly?
Some people discuss things to learn, you know. It's one of the benefits of talking to people. I guess you wouldn't understand because you already know everything there is to know about the game.
And your posts are still lullabies in written form.
Edit: Okay, apparently 12 now.
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#280
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 12:50
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astheoceansblue wrote...
Case in point.CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
Nope. Try again. Your laziness is no excuse.
Bye bye!
Okay. I hope you write one of your essays tonight in case I have trouble sleeping.
#281
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 12:52
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DayusMakhina wrote...
Which is great, but... your initial post does come across as more of a statement rather than an enquiry, which I guess is why this thread is now 11 pages.CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
My thread has no basis. You're right. I admitted a long time ago that I might not know what I'm talking about when it comes to the Engineer. So your point is what exactly?
Some people discuss things to learn, you know. It's one of the benefits of talking to people. I guess you wouldn't understand because you already know everything there is to know about the game.
And your posts are still lullabies in written form.
Edit: Okay, apparently 12 now.
It got that long because too many people can't have a discussion about a topic without resorting to personal attacks.
#282
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 12:52
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Human engi unplayable?
3 chain overload vs geth is good... also single overloadk vs banshees.
Heavy incinerate vs reapers is good.
What's not to like?
Also Quarian engi once it's fixed...
3 chain overload vs geth is good... also single overloadk vs banshees.
Heavy incinerate vs reapers is good.
What's not to like?
Also Quarian engi once it's fixed...
#283
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 12:53
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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
It got that long because too many people can't have a discussion about a topic without resorting to personal attacks.
....
Hahahahahahahahahahaha, oh my god... hahahahahahaha
#284
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 12:53
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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
Yes it does. I've stated this several times now. You're a better player than me. Now what?
If you expect to be taken seriously when talking about class balance, you should have a better than a basic understanding of how each class works.
So basically, quit crying about Infiltrators because you can't compete with them. We get it, you don't like them. You can stop posting these god awful trollbait threads now.
#285
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 12:55
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Ashen Earth wrote...
CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
Yes it does. I've stated this several times now. You're a better player than me. Now what?
If you expect to be taken seriously when talking about class balance, you should have a better than a basic understanding of how each class works.
So basically, quit crying about Infiltrators because you can't compete with them. We get it, you don't like them. You can stop posting these god awful trollbait threads now.
Quit crying because I pointed out your numerous logical mistakes and fallacies.
#286
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 12:56
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*watches people play "feed the troll"*
I'll go play my engineers now. Have fun in the forums.
I'll go play my engineers now. Have fun in the forums.
#287
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 12:57
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Rifneno wrote...
CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
It got that long because too many people can't have a discussion about a topic without resorting to personal attacks.
....
Hahahahahahahahahahaha, oh my god... hahahahahahaha
Another post from Rifnerfo that is completely devoid of content or a point. That's a pattern with you now.
#288
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 12:59
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neoskeptic2 wrote...
*watches people play "feed the troll"*
I'll go play my engineers now. Have fun in the forums.
I can't imagine anyone cares.
#289
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:03
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I agree with the OP, though not to the degree of unplayable, but the general point of how they compare to (non-human) Infs (and some Biotics).
I would like to see drones/turrets improved (not stats so much as be a bit faster, more aggressive, and smarter about targeting), and Incinerate, Cryo and/or their combos to be a bit more effective (for instance, there are grenades with massive radii now, why not beef up the radius of the two combos to some degree?)
Sure, you can run around with a Falcon and an ammo consumable and it's quite effective, on most other classes too. When you look at the actual abilities, I think the above ones could use improvement.
I would like to see drones/turrets improved (not stats so much as be a bit faster, more aggressive, and smarter about targeting), and Incinerate, Cryo and/or their combos to be a bit more effective (for instance, there are grenades with massive radii now, why not beef up the radius of the two combos to some degree?)
Sure, you can run around with a Falcon and an ammo consumable and it's quite effective, on most other classes too. When you look at the actual abilities, I think the above ones could use improvement.
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#290
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:04
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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
Yes it does. I've stated this several times now. You're a better player than me. Now what?
If you expect to be taken seriously when talking about class balance, you should have a better than a basic understanding of how each class works.
So basically, quit crying about Infiltrators because you can't compete with them. We get it, you don't like them. You can stop posting these god awful trollbait threads now.
Quit crying because I pointed out your numerous logical mistakes and fallacies.
I'm not crying.
My argument that you are a bad player wasn't fallacious, I didn't resort to "ad hominem attacks", and if you go read my post on that specifically (which you conveniently failed to address) you would see that you're flat out wrong.
Take your pseudo-intellectual fail trolling elsewhere.
#291
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:05
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I'm guessing this is another thread where some Gold-related issue makes other characters more 'important' to you.CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
They're all weak. The Salarian is the only one that isn't completely outclassed by other characters in the game.
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They're unplayable in comparison to other characters in the game. Playing with one is making a deliberate decision to play with a relatively weak character.
I do Bronze and Silver, and often top the individual XP list with my QME. Decent selection of other characters involved, perhaps not Gold-level players though.
Too many pages of discussion to expect my response to be noted, but I felt a need to point it out...
#292
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:07
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Eriseley wrote...
I agree with the OP, though not to the degree of unplayable, but the general point of how they compare to (non-human) Infs (and some Biotics).
I would like to see drones/turrets improved (not stats so much as be a bit faster, more aggressive, and smarter about targeting), and Incinerate, Cryo and/or their combos to be a bit more effective (for instance, there are grenades with massive radii now, why not beef up the radius of these two to some degree?)
Sure, you can run around with a Falcon and an ammo consumable and it's quite effective, on most other classes too. When you look at the actual abilities, I think the above ones could use improvement.
I do think "unplayable" was a bit much, but these types of abilties could use a little beefing up.
#293
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:10
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Ashen Earth wrote...
CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
Yes it does. I've stated this several times now. You're a better player than me. Now what?
If you expect to be taken seriously when talking about class balance, you should have a better than a basic understanding of how each class works.
So basically, quit crying about Infiltrators because you can't compete with them. We get it, you don't like them. You can stop posting these god awful trollbait threads now.
Quit crying because I pointed out your numerous logical mistakes and fallacies.
I'm not crying.
My argument that you are a bad player wasn't fallacious, I didn't resort to "ad hominem attacks", and if you go read my post on that specifically (which you conveniently failed to address) you would see that you're flat out wrong.
Take your pseudo-intellectual fail trolling elsewhere.
Why are you arguing about whether I'm a bad player in a thread about Engineers? You have just admitted, by acknowledging that was your argument, that you came in here to flame, not discuss the game. Which was obvious anyway, but still...
#294
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:19
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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
Yes it does. I've stated this several times now. You're a better player than me. Now what?
If you expect to be taken seriously when talking about class balance, you should have a better than a basic understanding of how each class works.
So basically, quit crying about Infiltrators because you can't compete with them. We get it, you don't like them. You can stop posting these god awful trollbait threads now.
Quit crying because I pointed out your numerous logical mistakes and fallacies.
I'm not crying.
My argument that you are a bad player wasn't fallacious, I didn't resort to "ad hominem attacks", and if you go read my post on that specifically (which you conveniently failed to address) you would see that you're flat out wrong.
Take your pseudo-intellectual fail trolling elsewhere.
Why are you arguing about whether I'm a bad player in a thread about Engineers? You have just admitted, by acknowledging that was your argument, that you came in here to flame, not discuss the game. Which was obvious anyway, but still...
Actually, I initally came in here to point out how blatantly wrong the thread title was from the standpoint of someone who plays an Engineer class.
But then I read the OP and saw it was just you crying about Infiltrators again.
It only turned into a flamewar when you started name calling, and throwing a tantrum because someone looked at your manifest, and suggested that you being a bad player, and your evident lack of understanding of the in game classes are not unrelated..
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#295
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:19
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[quote]CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
[quote]WaffleCrab wrote...
[quote]astheoceansblue wrote...
[quote]CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
I'm a bad player. You're Godlike and make weak men tremble. I'm still allowed to have an opinion about the game. And your posts are still the verbal equivalent of Ambien.[/quote]
Everything you write makes me feel happy to be me.
[/quote]
ha ha he finally did it, spoke himself into a bag, finally admits hes wrong and that it is AN OPINION! and not based on any empiric evidence, took him only 11 pages.
i wonder if he feels silly now
%20http://boourns.cjb.net/pics/1176435041786wa3kh4.gif%20
[/quote]
Okay, now this incredibly moronic post is going too far. The vast majority of what I've written in this thread is an opinion. It is not my fault that you have trouble distinguishing between fact and opinion. In my opinion, you're also not very intelligent. I'll leave it to you to decide whether that's true.
[/quote]
O'rly Mr. toll
lets see
[quote] With the exception of the Salarian's Decoy and Energy Drain, this class
simply does not have anything going for it. Engineers are supposed to
be tech specialists, but Infiltrators have equal tech abilties AND much
better combat abilties. As a result, Engineer, generally speaking, is
an obsolete class. The Engineers need SOMETHING to make them the
undisputed tech specialists in the game. With the relatively weak tech
powers they have, they effectively don't specialize in anything that a
separate class doesn't have.
A perfect illustration of this is
the Quarian Male Engineer vs. the Quarian Male Infiltrator. These two
characters are identical in two powers - tactical scan and arc grenade.
The difference is in the third power. Infiltrator gets tac cloak,
Engineer gets....Incinerate.
Please improve this class! It is much needed! [/quote]
i am pretty sure that 99% of the people here agree with me, that your OP came of as anything but a personal opinion all the way down to wording, its like your trying to sound like you know what your talking about, lets see what other gems we can dig up.
[quote]
They're unplayable in comparison to other characters in the game.
Playing with one is making a deliberate decision to play with a
relatively weak character.
[/quote]
lets keep digging.
[quote]
The problem I have with them is that they're too similar to
Infiltrators, where their tech powers really aren't any better, and the
Infiltrators get the tac cloak in addition to that. Infiltrators are a
superior form of Engineer, basically. That is why I feel they're
unplayable.
[/quote]
anyone else having hard time holding their laughter here?
[quote] Thanks everyone for the info, I'll give the Engineers another go. Perhaps I was being a bit unfair. [/quote]
after admitting your mistake once already, why keep up the flame wars? are you deliberately trying to atract admins here?
[quote] If you have an aversion to stupidity you should be directing that
inward, but I guess that's too painful to accept. And yes, I do find it
cowardly that someone would comment and draw conclusions from
information on my profile that they've hidden on theirs. [/quote]
why are you not taking up on your own advice? i mean people are already trying to help you with that :S
[quote]
I never thought I'd see someone claim that Engineers outscoring
Infiltrators is the norm for this game, with Infiltrators outscoring
Engineers being the exception...but you just did it.
[/quote]
Throw in some twisting of words/making up things people didnt really say.
[quote]
The fact that you constantly resort to these ad hominem attacks convinces me that you have trouble making logical arguments.
[/quote]
You sir excell at using civilized words in the wrong occasion if i may say good sir.
[quote]
Look, please understand what the term actually means first.
AshensForever already embarrassed himself by attempting to define ad
hominem without knowing what it meant. Don't make the same mistake. [/quote]
Wait who fail... wasnt that you? i mean you didnt even realize what it meant.
[quote] Not true. If I'm calling people names, it has nothing to do with
refuting their arguments. I know how to separate the two, unlike
several people who have posted in this thread. I find your posts to be
long-winded and boring, not because I've looked at your medigel
inventory and made some bizarre inferences from it, but because I cannot
read them without dozing off. [/quote]
there are letters that describe this well if its not sleep deprivation they are A, D, H and D
[quote] So what's your point? I'm not a good player. Never claimed to be. I
don't care about top score, which you obviously do, to the point that
you remember who you topped in the scoreboard 1.5 weeks later
(seriously?). I find this to be rather creepy, actually. [/quote]
you claim you do not care about top score, yet you care about how fast you kill stuff...... anyone else find this stupid?
I think we all here can agree, that CmnDwnWrkn has created comedy gold by talking himself to a bag more than just once.
edit: typo fix
[quote]WaffleCrab wrote...
[quote]astheoceansblue wrote...
[quote]CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
I'm a bad player. You're Godlike and make weak men tremble. I'm still allowed to have an opinion about the game. And your posts are still the verbal equivalent of Ambien.[/quote]
Everything you write makes me feel happy to be me.
[/quote]
ha ha he finally did it, spoke himself into a bag, finally admits hes wrong and that it is AN OPINION! and not based on any empiric evidence, took him only 11 pages.
i wonder if he feels silly now
%20http://boourns.cjb.net/pics/1176435041786wa3kh4.gif%20
[/quote]
Okay, now this incredibly moronic post is going too far. The vast majority of what I've written in this thread is an opinion. It is not my fault that you have trouble distinguishing between fact and opinion. In my opinion, you're also not very intelligent. I'll leave it to you to decide whether that's true.
[/quote]
O'rly Mr. toll
lets see
[quote] With the exception of the Salarian's Decoy and Energy Drain, this class
simply does not have anything going for it. Engineers are supposed to
be tech specialists, but Infiltrators have equal tech abilties AND much
better combat abilties. As a result, Engineer, generally speaking, is
an obsolete class. The Engineers need SOMETHING to make them the
undisputed tech specialists in the game. With the relatively weak tech
powers they have, they effectively don't specialize in anything that a
separate class doesn't have.
A perfect illustration of this is
the Quarian Male Engineer vs. the Quarian Male Infiltrator. These two
characters are identical in two powers - tactical scan and arc grenade.
The difference is in the third power. Infiltrator gets tac cloak,
Engineer gets....Incinerate.
Please improve this class! It is much needed! [/quote]
i am pretty sure that 99% of the people here agree with me, that your OP came of as anything but a personal opinion all the way down to wording, its like your trying to sound like you know what your talking about, lets see what other gems we can dig up.
[quote]
They're unplayable in comparison to other characters in the game.
Playing with one is making a deliberate decision to play with a
relatively weak character.
[/quote]
lets keep digging.
[quote]
The problem I have with them is that they're too similar to
Infiltrators, where their tech powers really aren't any better, and the
Infiltrators get the tac cloak in addition to that. Infiltrators are a
superior form of Engineer, basically. That is why I feel they're
unplayable.
[/quote]
anyone else having hard time holding their laughter here?
[quote] Thanks everyone for the info, I'll give the Engineers another go. Perhaps I was being a bit unfair. [/quote]
after admitting your mistake once already, why keep up the flame wars? are you deliberately trying to atract admins here?
[quote] If you have an aversion to stupidity you should be directing that
inward, but I guess that's too painful to accept. And yes, I do find it
cowardly that someone would comment and draw conclusions from
information on my profile that they've hidden on theirs. [/quote]
why are you not taking up on your own advice? i mean people are already trying to help you with that :S
[quote]
I never thought I'd see someone claim that Engineers outscoring
Infiltrators is the norm for this game, with Infiltrators outscoring
Engineers being the exception...but you just did it.
[/quote]
Throw in some twisting of words/making up things people didnt really say.
[quote]
The fact that you constantly resort to these ad hominem attacks convinces me that you have trouble making logical arguments.
[/quote]
You sir excell at using civilized words in the wrong occasion if i may say good sir.
[quote]
Look, please understand what the term actually means first.
AshensForever already embarrassed himself by attempting to define ad
hominem without knowing what it meant. Don't make the same mistake. [/quote]
Wait who fail... wasnt that you? i mean you didnt even realize what it meant.
[quote] Not true. If I'm calling people names, it has nothing to do with
refuting their arguments. I know how to separate the two, unlike
several people who have posted in this thread. I find your posts to be
long-winded and boring, not because I've looked at your medigel
inventory and made some bizarre inferences from it, but because I cannot
read them without dozing off. [/quote]
there are letters that describe this well if its not sleep deprivation they are A, D, H and D
[quote] So what's your point? I'm not a good player. Never claimed to be. I
don't care about top score, which you obviously do, to the point that
you remember who you topped in the scoreboard 1.5 weeks later
(seriously?). I find this to be rather creepy, actually. [/quote]
you claim you do not care about top score, yet you care about how fast you kill stuff...... anyone else find this stupid?
I think we all here can agree, that CmnDwnWrkn has created comedy gold by talking himself to a bag more than just once.
edit: typo fix
Modifié par WaffleCrab, 15 juin 2012 - 01:21 .
#296
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:30
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Chriss5688 wrote...
Okay, I laughed. Really did. Good one TO. The Quarian Engineer, who lots of people consider the worst character in the game can do very well on Gold AND, if you care about it, on the scoreboard as well. Although it won't top the board if there are more powerful characters and good players using them.sliverofamoon wrote...
I can solo Bronze with her (FINALLY!), do fine in Silver, and survive and help on Gold.
Congratulations my dear friend! Will be draggin' you onto Gold duos soon enough if you keep going that way!
LOL yah....... right!
But anyway, I think the thing about Engineers in MP that just mystified me from the start, as that the SE was given Tali's signature unlockable SP power......... and the FQE was given Mordins....
... and then given a turret, instead of a drone.... More 
. Doesn't make sense to me at all, to this day. What I'm hoping for, is that someday we'll get another FQE option that has this adjusted, but I doubt this day will ever come.
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Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:33
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That's because you don't got my tech casting skillz.
I usually lead the team with my GE or QME, only time I don't is when there is two or more biotics or a really good infiltrator.
I usually lead the team with my GE or QME, only time I don't is when there is two or more biotics or a really good infiltrator.
#298
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:38
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WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.
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Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:40
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What was that about personal attacks, bucko?CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.
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Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:42
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Adragalus wrote...
What was that about personal attacks, bucko?CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.
If people want to take it there, I'll gladly return the favor. You want next....bucko?
