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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.


While his post was impressive, it was not quite as awe inspiring as your post on logical fallacies, showing a total lack of understanding of the concept.

You actually managed to make a hypocrite and an ass of yourself within a 20 minute time span. I would say your lack of ME3 talent extends into other arenas, like propositional logic, and common sense.

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.


Not really, not much work involved. I never mentioned this had anything to do with my ME3 talent, but yours. English never was my native language and the others here dont seem to have a problem with it *cough* grammar:police: **** *cough*
The whole point of that collection of messages, you say one thing, then say something opposite, happened more than once. and even though you said you made a mistake, you kept troll/flame baiting which btw is against the rules. And i am pretty sure most of the people will see where i was going with your message collection (which were in order of appearance).

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 15 juin 2012 - 01:44 .


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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Adragalus wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.

What was that about personal attacks, bucko?


If people want to take it there, I'll gladly return the favor.  You want next....bucko?

Sure, go ahead. Claim that you're just "returning the favor." I pointed a trend in hypocrisy. If you feel like having a go at me for noticing a certain pattern, go ahead. 

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I wonder when this thread gets a padlock on it o_O

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WaffleCrab wrote...

I wonder when this thread gets a padlock on it o_O


He would just post another one comparing the Drell Vanguard to the Salarian Infiltrator.

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Ashen Earth wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.


While his post was impressive, it was not quite as awe inspiring as your post on logical fallacies, showing a total lack of understanding of the concept.

You actually managed to make a hypocrite and an ass of yourself within a 20 minute time span. I would say your lack of ME3 talent extends into other arenas, like propositional logic, and common sense.


I can't believe you have the nerve to write this after YOU defined the term wrong. :lol:  Not me.  You.  It's there for anyone to read.

I'm starting to believe ME3 might be your only talent.

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WaffleCrab wrote...

I wonder when this thread gets a padlock on it o_O

Reminds me of threads I'd see on Bungie.net, where sometimes you'd have to wonder if the mods left it unlocked just for laughs.

At this point, I'm not complaining. It'll be interesting to see where this goes.

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Ashen Earth wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

I wonder when this thread gets a padlock on it o_O


He would just post another one comparing the Drell Vanguard to the Salarian Infiltrator.


damn my ques would have been krogan vanguard vs. FQI

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.


While his post was impressive, it was not quite as awe inspiring as your post on logical fallacies, showing a total lack of understanding of the concept.

You actually managed to make a hypocrite and an ass of yourself within a 20 minute time span. I would say your lack of ME3 talent extends into other arenas, like propositional logic, and common sense.


I can't believe you have the nerve to write this after YOU defined the term wrong. :lol:  Not me.  You.  It's there for anyone to read.

I'm starting to believe ME3 might be your only talent.


Right, I defined the term wrong yet when I posted the definition and cited examples you conveniently overlooked it.

0/10, troll.

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WaffleCrab wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.


Not really, not much work involved. I never mentioned this had anything to do with my ME3 talent, but yours. English never was my native language and the others here dont seem to have a problem with it *cough* grammar:police: **** *cough*
The whole point of that collection of messages, you say one thing, then say something opposite, happened more than once. and even though you said you made a mistake, you kept troll/flame baiting which btw is against the rules. And i am pretty sure most of the people will see where i was going with your message collection (which were in order of appearance).


You do realize it's also against the rules for you, right? 

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Quarian Engineers (male and female) are relatively weak, I'll give you that. But the human engineers are almost as good as the Salarian Engineer for stripping defenses off bosses, and they get a pet. And a Geth Engineer with the shield restore turret all the way up saves everyone during a hack objective or extraction.

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

With the exception of the Salarian's Decoy and Energy Drain, this class simply does not have anything going for it.  Engineers are supposed to be tech specialists, but Infiltrators have equal tech abilties AND much better combat abilties.  As a result, Engineer, generally speaking, is an obsolete class.  The Engineers need SOMETHING to make them the undisputed tech specialists in the game.  With the relatively weak tech powers they have, they effectively don't specialize in anything that a separate class doesn't have.

A perfect illustration of this is the Quarian Male Engineer vs. the Quarian Male Infiltrator.  These two characters are identical in two powers - tactical scan and arc grenade.  The difference is in the third power.  Infiltrator gets tac cloak, Engineer gets....Incinerate.

Please improve this class!  It is much needed!



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Ashen Earth wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.


While his post was impressive, it was not quite as awe inspiring as your post on logical fallacies, showing a total lack of understanding of the concept.

You actually managed to make a hypocrite and an ass of yourself within a 20 minute time span. I would say your lack of ME3 talent extends into other arenas, like propositional logic, and common sense.


I can't believe you have the nerve to write this after YOU defined the term wrong. :lol:  Not me.  You.  It's there for anyone to read.

I'm starting to believe ME3 might be your only talent.


Right, I defined the term wrong yet when I posted the definition and cited examples you conveniently overlooked it.

0/10, troll.


LMFAO!!!

When you define a term wrong, and later follow it by posting a Wikipedia entry on it, that doesn't change the fact that you defined the term wrong.

You are a funny guy, you know that? :P

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Seriously? These threads amuse me. Have you never placed with a decent GE player, or a QFE? Yeah...

Modifié par spiros9110, 15 juin 2012 - 01:59 .


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Aouno wrote...

Geth Engineer would like to have a word with you.


This.

Although to be fair, I haven't tried it since the Hunter Mode nerf

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dabull1014 wrote...

Quarian Engineers (male and female) are relatively weak, I'll give you that.


Male Quarian Engineers have the best grenade ability in the game, and can use them with Incinerate to set up fire explosions more reliably than any other class in the game.

Fire explosion is the strongest power combo btw.

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I just played U/U/G with QFE with my new hurricane III and smashed it.
You sir don't know what your talking about.

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.


Not really, not much work involved. I never mentioned this had anything to do with my ME3 talent, but yours. English never was my native language and the others here dont seem to have a problem with it *cough* grammar:police: **** *cough*
The whole point of that collection of messages, you say one thing, then say something opposite, happened more than once. and even though you said you made a mistake, you kept troll/flame baiting which btw is against the rules. And i am pretty sure most of the people will see where i was going with your message collection (which were in order of appearance).


You do realize it's also against the rules for you, right? 


havent troll baited or flame baited thus far. i have only been pointing out how you keep saying opposite things to your own prew. messages. and quoting your baits. also considering 4x **** can be any 4 letter word, its hardly a bait :P

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Why is this thread 13 pages

Basically everything that needed to be said was done so on the first 2 pages

The SE's only redeeming quality is Decoy. But it's a decent power and although he's pretty much outclassed by SI he's far from unplayable.
The GE's healing turret is a unique ability and while outclassed in every other way by GI the GI can't heal.
The QE is getting a buff but for now is outclassed by QI but is still not unplayable
HE has decent CC
QME has fire explosions.

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WaffleCrab wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.


Not really, not much work involved. I never mentioned this had anything to do with my ME3 talent, but yours. English never was my native language and the others here dont seem to have a problem with it *cough* grammar:police: **** *cough*
The whole point of that collection of messages, you say one thing, then say something opposite, happened more than once. and even though you said you made a mistake, you kept troll/flame baiting which btw is against the rules. And i am pretty sure most of the people will see where i was going with your message collection (which were in order of appearance).


You do realize it's also against the rules for you, right? 


havent troll baited or flame baited thus far. i have only been pointing out how you keep saying opposite things to your own prew. messages. and quoting your baits. also considering 4x **** can be any 4 letter word, its hardly a bait :P

Agreed. Pointing out self-contradictions and outright hypocrisy demonstrated by the OP does not a forum regulations violation make.

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Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...The GE's healing turret is a unique ability and while outclassed in every other way by GI the GI can't heal.
 


GE has greater CC and shield stripping. Overload is a BEAST.

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Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Why is this thread 13 pages

Basically everything that needed to be said was done so on the first 2 pages

The SE's only redeeming quality is Decoy. But it's a decent power and although he's pretty much outclassed by SI he's far from unplayable.
The GE's healing turret is a unique ability and while outclassed in every other way by GI the GI can't heal.
The QE is getting a buff but for now is outclassed by QI but is still not unplayable
HE has decent CC
QME has fire explosions.

Hold on there...

SE also has Energy Drain, which is a great shield-stripping power, and can give absolutely unparalleled survivability versus Geth.
GE's Overload gives it a huge advantage over GI in terms of antishield, and Hunter Mode + Turret makes the GE an absolutely amazing defender.
Agreed with QFE.
HE is quite pluripotent, and Drone causes some absolutely hilarious aggro pulling. 
QME is a fire explosion typhoon.

Carry on o7

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astheoceansblue wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...The GE's healing turret is a unique ability and while outclassed in every other way by GI the GI can't heal.
 


GE has greater CC and shield stripping. Overload is a BEAST.


Greater CC is going to be subjective in that regard. Proxxy mine can slow enemies as well as increasing damage against them. With the Kyrsae it's arguable that a GI could be a better CCer than a Overload spamming GE while also doing a lot more damage. 

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Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...The GE's healing turret is a unique ability and while outclassed in every other way by GI the GI can't heal.
 


GE has greater CC and shield stripping. Overload is a BEAST.


Greater CC is going to be subjective in that regard. Proxxy mine can slow enemies as well as increasing damage against them. With the Kyrsae it's arguable that a GI could be a better CCer than a Overload spamming GE while also doing a lot more damage. 




Chain overload can completely incapacitate up to 3 enemies at once while setting up tech bursts. An offensive turret can also CC. A GE with a Scorpion, Falcon, or Krysae could CC much better than a GI with a Krysae, although the infiltrator would do more damage. but that's the point of playing an infiltrator, after all.

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WaffleCrab wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab - That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort. Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into different arenas. Like written English. And saying something coherent.


Not really, not much work involved. I never mentioned this had anything to do with my ME3 talent, but yours. English never was my native language and the others here dont seem to have a problem with it *cough* grammar:police: **** *cough*
The whole point of that collection of messages, you say one thing, then say something opposite, happened more than once. and even though you said you made a mistake, you kept troll/flame baiting which btw is against the rules. And i am pretty sure most of the people will see where i was going with your message collection (which were in order of appearance).


You do realize it's also against the rules for you, right? 


havent troll baited or flame baited thus far. i have only been pointing out how you keep saying opposite things to your own prew. messages. and quoting your baits. also considering 4x **** can be any 4 letter word, its hardly a bait :P


I really have trouble understanding many of your posts because they're very poorly written.  First sentence I get.  Second and third sentences I have no idea.  Those may be the same sentence I'm not sure.  Last sentence I get, even though it's quite awkwardly presented.  It's that middle part I'm having trouble with...

Adragalus wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

WaffleCrab
- That must have taken a lot of work. I do appreciate your effort.
Really I do. You failed when you assumed your ME3 talent extended into
different arenas. Like written English. And saying something
coherent.


Not really, not much work involved. I never
mentioned this had anything to do with my ME3 talent, but yours. English
never was my native language and the others here dont seem to have a
problem with it *cough* grammar[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/policeman.png[/smilie] **** *cough*
The
whole point of that collection of messages, you say one thing, then say
something opposite, happened more than once. and even though you said
you made a mistake, you kept troll/flame baiting which btw is against
the rules. And i am pretty sure most of the people will see where i was
going with your message collection (which were in order of appearance).


You do realize it's also against the rules for you, right? 


havent
troll baited or flame baited thus far. i have only been pointing out
how you keep saying opposite things to your own prew. messages. and
quoting your baits. also considering 4x **** can be any 4 letter word,
its hardly a bait :P

Agreed. Pointing out
self-contradictions and outright hypocrisy demonstrated by the OP does
not a forum regulations violation make.


You're a moderator?

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 15 juin 2012 - 02:20 .


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Adragalus wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Why is this thread 13 pages

Basically everything that needed to be said was done so on the first 2 pages

The SE's only redeeming quality is Decoy. But it's a decent power and although he's pretty much outclassed by SI he's far from unplayable.
The GE's healing turret is a unique ability and while outclassed in every other way by GI the GI can't heal.
The QE is getting a buff but for now is outclassed by QI but is still not unplayable
HE has decent CC
QME has fire explosions.

Hold on there...

SE also has Energy Drain, which is a great shield-stripping power, and can give absolutely unparalleled survivability versus Geth.
GE's Overload gives it a huge advantage over GI in terms of antishield, and Hunter Mode + Turret makes the GE an absolutely amazing defender.
Agreed with QFE.
HE is quite pluripotent, and Drone causes some absolutely hilarious aggro pulling. 
QME is a fire explosion typhoon.

Carry on o7


SI also has energy drain. And also Proxy mine and also cloak. He's outclassed but not unplayable like i said and has the svaing grace of decoy when it decides to work. 

GI can get over shield gate with the KY. No need for a shield stripper if everything dies in seconds anyways. 

I disagree that the HEs drone is a potent weapon. Atleast on gold. I don't ever use the class anymore but have never seen anyone use the drone in a way that looked like it was making a big difference or was doing something decoy couldn't do better. 

I agree QME is a typhoon. Hes the only engineer i think it completley competitive with his infilly counterpart. 

Modifié par Mysterious Stranger 0.0, 15 juin 2012 - 02:22 .