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[Ashen One]

Kaizer88 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...


lol, score.

Some people just don't get it.

You're one of those who don't "GET IT". When you're being swarmed by banshees and brutes and pounded by ravagers, do you want some **** spamming cryo and slowly helping you whittle them down, or another infiltrator who'll help you focus fire the damn thing down way before they can get in range to screw you over?

That rarely happens to me on a competent team, the exception being Reapers on Glacier.

Besides, Tech users in general are weak against Reapers. Whenever I know for a fact that I'm going to be fighting Reapers, I pick a different class. Your example is just bad, and only applies to one out of the 3 factions.

However, vs Cerberus and Geth I would gladly take a SE using decoy with a CC weapon stunlocking geth Hunters, Pyros, Rocket Troopers, Phantoms, Combat Engineers ect. to hell during the wave 10 upload objective.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Ashen Earth wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...


I'm just not sure why you, and others, take what I write so personally.  I'm saying the Engineer class needs improvement.  What's so bad about that?

Common sense dictates that players who haven't tried all of the characters at least once, and do not understand how all of the classes work should not complain about entire classes being "unbalanced". You're free to do so, but people are free to criticize what you're saying. Your posts in this thread, (and others) and your manifest hint at you being an inexperienced player. Getting overly defensive, saying the guy must play 16 hours a day and calling him a coward doesn't help your case.

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
I didn't criticize you.  But apparently this warrants having you crawl out from your rock, hurling insults and ****.  Relax - it's a video game character.  I did not insult your mother or sister.

Says the guy calling people cowards, and QQing because someone looked at your manifest, and concluded that you're inexperienced. If anyone is taking this too seriously it's you.

Oh okay, because I haven't unlocked the Batarian Sentinel or the Asari Justicar, I can't compare Engineers and Infiltrators, all of which I have unlocked and have played with?  Common sense doesn't dictate this, because it makes no sense.

And you can stop now with the whole "if you don't have everything unlocked except the URs, you're inexperienced" silliness.

[Dynamik78]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

With the exception of the Salarian's Decoy and Energy Drain, this class simply does not have anything going for it.  Engineers are supposed to be tech specialists, but Infiltrators have equal tech abilties AND much better combat abilties.  As a result, Engineer, generally speaking, is an obsolete class.  The Engineers need SOMETHING to make them the undisputed tech specialists in the game.  With the relatively weak tech powers they have, they effectively don't specialize in anything that a separate class doesn't have.

A perfect illustration of this is the Quarian Male Engineer vs. the Quarian Male Infiltrator.  These two characters are identical in two powers - tactical scan and arc grenade.  The difference is in the third power.  Infiltrator gets tac cloak, Engineer gets....Incinerate.

Please improve this class!  It is much needed!

you must be kidding right?
I can rip things up with my SI as well as Quarian with tech bursts and Geth with amazing Heal/CC powers
Often find myself topping scoreboards with 140/150k in PUGS even using exotic loadouts like the scorpion or saber or else

Modifié par Dynamik78, 14 juin 2012 - 09:14 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Torguemada wrote...

Ignore the OP he's a know troll with severe biases and even bigger L2P issues.
Just look at his other topics.

I play quite well thank you.  I seem to remember you wiping early and often when we played together.  You really didn't do much of anything well.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

I like all of the engineers. My favorite is the Geth engie. I spec for a max damage flamethrower turret, 2xchain+shock overload, nothing in Huntermode, and use a falcon. Good crowd control and good damage.

Use the turret no only for offense but to establish a line away from you and your teammates. Use the turret to explore and show you if an enemy is around that corner. Use the turret to restore shields even though you speced it all offense.

The drones of the human engineer are far from useless as well.

[Ashen One]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Oh okay, because I haven't unlocked the Batarian Sentinel or the Asari Justicar, I can't compare Engineers and Infiltrators, all of which I have unlocked and have played with?  Common sense doesn't dictate this, because it makes no sense.

Actually, there are more characters that that missing. The fact that you posted a balance thread comparing Sentinels to Infiltrators without even having all of the Sentinels unlocked speaks volumes. now here you are again, whining about Infiltrators except this time you're comparing them to Engineers. I expect you'll whine about Adepts or Vanguards being underpowered compared to the infiltrator tomorrow.

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
And you can stop now with the whole "if you don't have everything unlocked except the URs, you're inexperienced" silliness.

I would say the fact that you have 3 medigel, and nearly 200 cobra missiles convinces me about your lack of experience more than not having all of the weapons, mods, and characters.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 14 juin 2012 - 09:21 .

[ph4nt0ml0rdx]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Torguemada wrote...

Ignore the OP he's a know troll with severe biases and even bigger L2P issues.
Just look at his other topics.

I play quite well thank you.  I seem to remember you wiping early and often when we played together.  You really didn't do much of anything well.

Scrubnugget.

[xabkish]

Jesus... Stop posting these threads already, will you?

I've just played with GE and HE and both were freaking great. If you fail to use a class it doesn't mean it's unplayable. And if your threads are based on numbers only then I repeat: stop posting nonsense.

Ashen Earth wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
... ... ...

I
would say the fact that you have 3 medigel, and nearly 200 cobra
missiles convinces me about your lack of experience more than not having
all of the weapons, mods, and characters.

Made my day Nice point, really.

Modifié par xabkish, 14 juin 2012 - 09:24 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Ashen Earth wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Oh okay, because I haven't unlocked the Batarian Sentinel or the Asari Justicar, I can't compare Engineers and Infiltrators, all of which I have unlocked and have played with?  Common sense doesn't dictate this, because it makes no sense.

Actually, there are more characters that that missing. The fact that you posted a balance thread comparing Sentinels to Infiltrators without even having all of the Sentinels unlocked speaks volumes. now here you are again, whining about Infiltrators except this time you're comparing them to Engineers. I expect you'll whine about Adepts or Vanguards being underpowered compared to the infiltrator tomorrow.

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
And you can stop now with the whole "if you don't have everything unlocked except the URs, you're inexperienced" silliness.

I would say the fact that you have 3 medigel, and nearly 200 cobra missiles convinces me about your lack of experience more than not having all of the weapons, mods, and characters.

The fact that you constantly resort to these ad hominem attacks convinces me that you have trouble making logical arguments.

xabkish wrote...

Jesus... Stop posting these threads already, will you?

I've
just played with GE and HE and both were freaking great. If you fail to
use a class it doesn't mean it's unplayable. And if your threads are
based on numbers only then I repeat: stop posting nonsense.

Ashen Earth wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
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I
would say the fact that you have 3 medigel, and nearly 200 cobra
missiles convinces me about your lack of experience more than not having
all of the weapons, mods, and characters.

Made my day Nice point, really.

There's other sites you can go to for such unabashed flirting.  Quite frankly, it's making me uncomfortable.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 14 juin 2012 - 09:28 .

[Epique Phael767]

 Maybe you're playing an engineer wrong. The point of the class isn't to kill things, it's to rip away the defenses so other people can kill things.

[adneate]

There are no unplayable classes just crappy players who don't know their classes.

[Ashen One]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The fact that you constantly resort to these ad hominem attacks convinces me that you have trouble making logical arguments.

When I see someone with 3 medigel, 8 ops packs, and nearly 200 missiles, I visualize a player who dies quite often. I.E. lack of experience. Your posts also show a lack of understanding about the classes, and the fact that you don't even have them all yet just makes it that much more obvious.

If my argument is that you're inexperienced, and I give evidence to support it then it is not an ad hominem attack. An ad hominem attack is using an insult in my reasoning to reach my conclusion, which i don't. I'm using your manifest, and your posts.

Neither of which could be considered an "attack", you're just being sensitive.

[Poison_Berrie]

I see a lot of people talking about mostly using ammo powers (disruptor) for their techburst. I have two questions.
1. Isn't a level 3 ammo power causing inferior damage compared to a level 6 OL->Incinerate?
2. When using ammo powers aren't there are better or equal options (soldiers and sentinels, adepts)?

Not that I'm saying it's not how you are supposed to do it, but it's odd that THE way of getting tech bursts for an Engineer is to use the same method other use to get tech-bursts.

WaffleCrab wrote...

Edit: also engineers have the best anti armor and anti shield/barrier skills, if you know how to use them, they can set off fire explosions easily which are btw the most damaging explosions in the game.

I'd say Krogans can set them off easier. I've found OL to be a fickle mistress for detonating fire explosions. Though MQE can probably do them pretty well, since the Arc Grenades doesn't seem to have half damage against organics.

As for fire explosion being the most damaging. At base damage they do more than a Biotic Explosion, but the easier to set of BEs have quite a few evolutions that I don't doubt set them above them again.

[Falere]

Well that's a pity indeed, human engineer is my favourite man for gold matches, along with AA, so i'm really curious how can you find engineers weak.

[landylan]

they arent great, but theyre not that bad. the human can set off his own tech bursts easily. the salarian can too in close range. the geth has hunter mode, overload, and an awesome turret.....the mqi relies on grenades too much, but he can easily kill an entire mob of enemies. he can set off multiple tech bursts easily

[molecularman]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

 Maybe you're playing an engineer wrong. The point of the class isn't to kill things, it's to rip away the defenses so other people can kill things.

In case you didn't notice, most infiltrators do that better

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Ashen Earth wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The fact that you constantly resort to these ad hominem attacks convinces me that you have trouble making logical arguments.

When I see someone with 3 medigel, 8 ops packs, and nearly 200 missiles, I visualize a player who dies quite often. I.E. lack of experience. Your posts also show a lack of understanding about the classes, and the fact that you don't even have them all yet just makes it that much more obvious.

If my argument is that you're inexperienced, and I give evidence to support it then it is not an ad hominem attack. An ad hominem attack is using an insult in my reasoning to reach my conclusion, which i don't. I'm using your manifest, and your posts.

Neither of which could be considered an "attack", you're just being sensitive.

Wow.  Just wow.

[Rifneno]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The fact that you constantly resort to these ad hominem attacks convinces me that you have trouble making logical arguments.

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There's other sites you can go to for such unabashed flirting.  Quite frankly, it's making me uncomfortable.

Hypocrisy, thy name is CmnDwnWrkn.

[RaueDrakenhaart]

 Disagree completely. FQE is underpowered, yes. MQE is beastly, SE is gold-worthy, and M&FHE are super viable on any difficulty due to the powers given to them. If you're having a hard time with any of the non-SE engineers, mayhaps you should switch up their powers. Burn some Re-spec cards and try something new. Not everything has to be gold-worthy, but almost every build is Silver-worthy at least.

[astheoceansblue]

QME is one of the best AOE classes in the game.
Geth can heal and is pretty much a weapons master with OL chains and HM.
SI is one of the best aggro sponges with decoy.
Human Engineers I've not invested in, but I knwo some forum regulars who use them minus turret and are huge credits to team.

QFE is the only one you could complain about, and she's in for a balance next week...

Engineers are efficient, diverse, and powerful. You need to actually spend some time with them before you poo-poo their potential. Your manifest is quite telling of your lack here...

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 14 juin 2012 - 09:42 .

[Ashen One]

molecularman wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

 Maybe you're playing an engineer wrong. The point of the class isn't to kill things, it's to rip away the defenses so other people can kill things.

In case you didn't notice, most infiltrators do that better

You mean SI energy drain.

HI, GI, and QI do not have a power tailored specifically to remove specific defenses. Sabotage will only remove shields from weak enemies if you spec for backfire.

If all of the infiltrators were better at removing enemy defenses than Engineers, then all of the infiltrators would use sniper rifles, and the "SI is the best sniper, all others should use a shotgun" mentality would die already. you would also probably see fewer Geth Engineers with sniper rifles, because if the GI had a power to remove shields, he would clearly be the superior sniper in every imaginable situation.

[t3hTwinky]

Human Engineers are probably the easiest class to do well with. Drop a drone, then spam Chain Overload until you win. Works every time.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

astheoceansblue wrote...

QME is one of the best AOE classes in the game.
Geth can heal and is pretty much a weapons master with OL chains and HM.
SI is one of the best aggro sponges with decoy.
Human Engineers I've not invested in, but I knwo some forum regulars who use them minus turret and are huge credits to team.

QFE is the only one you could complain about, and she's in for a balance next week...

Engineers are efficient, diverse, and powerful. You need to actually spend some time with them before you poo-poo their potential. Your manifest is quite telling of your lack here...

You're manifest might be more impressive, but I've read some genuinely terrible drivel from you about this game.  Your "The false Pandemic of OP and why things are really OK" thread was especially bad.  More experience with the game doesn't necessarily mean your opinions make more sense.  Your posts do a good job of illustrating this.

Rifneno wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The fact that you constantly resort to these ad hominem attacks convinces me that you have trouble making logical arguments.

...

There's other sites you can go to for such unabashed flirting.  Quite frankly, it's making me uncomfortable.

Hypocrisy, thy name is CmnDwnWrkn.

Boring, thy name is Rifneno...

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 14 juin 2012 - 09:48 .

[Ashen One]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

QME is one of the best AOE classes in the game.
Geth can heal and is pretty much a weapons master with OL chains and HM.
SI is one of the best aggro sponges with decoy.
Human Engineers I've not invested in, but I knwo some forum regulars who use them minus turret and are huge credits to team.

QFE is the only one you could complain about, and she's in for a balance next week...

Engineers are efficient, diverse, and powerful. You need to actually spend some time with them before you poo-poo their potential. Your manifest is quite telling of your lack here...

You're manifest might be more impressive, but I've read some genuinely terrible drivel from you about this game.  Your "The false Pandemic of OP and why things are really OK" thread was especially bad.  More experience with the game doesn't necessarily mean your opinions make more sense.  Your posts do a good job of illustrating this.

But unlike you, he actually gives logical explanations to support his arguments without resorting to throwing a tantrum and calling people names as an 8 year old child would.

I may not agree with everything he posts, but at least he can support his opinions without being hypocritical, and obnoxious. The same cannot be said of you.