Somthing came to my mind that the stroymakers of the game never thought of.
As you know or will see later that the Asari race can share memories with any species/race.
Liara wanted infomation about the Protheans fate.
There is a line you can choose talking to the Council.
"You need proof?"
The Asari Counciler is well... an Asari, so why can't Shepard go to the Citadel and share his memorie to the Counciler, once Shepard shares the memorie the Asari Counciler can transmite that to the other Ambasadors.
After the Virmire mission, Shepard will of collected the missing peices of the becons.
So, why wasn't somthing like this in the game?? :-\\
[!!SPIOLER!!] Virmire Mission - Discussing Reaper's With the Council
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Posté 15 juin 2012 - 06:42
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Never thought of that. They call you back to the Citadel anyway so there's no reason Shep couldn't invite the Asari councillor to go brain fishing in Shep's head for as much corroboration as she wants. Maybe other crew members too if they're willing. Would have been a way to avoid the whole 'Ah, yes, airquotes Reapers airquotes' routine of that Turian tool in ME2.
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Posté 18 juin 2012 - 08:12
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I don't think it is that well thought out, how the Council remains blind of it all and keeps brushing it aside. Liara could have shared what she saw in Shepard's mind if the Councilor didn't want to do a "mind melt" with a human. But you can think of reasons why the Council prefers to treat it all as fiction. I think the Council would somehow, always find a way to reject Shepards findings.
They would probably say Saren or the Geth planted that device on Ilos and/or information, that it was a illusion, trap, etc. Just like when they denied Sovereign's existence and that it was all a Geth construct.
Also, there were teammates who went with Shepard. But the Council shows no interest in hearing the story of others who were present.
I think the biggest problem of the Council is their unwillingness to accept things that are outside their norm, their view of the galaxy and how it is. They can accept something is wrong, eventually (like with Saren), as long as it isn't something extraordinary.
They are used to a certain mindset and way things are in the galaxy. I think they believe they have a grip of things, that they maintain order, stability, balance and are wise. Not entirely untrue, but like it is said in the game, they are used to a long ongoing peace. Then someone who has just begun to work for them, from a upstart kind of species (humans), suddenly starts slapping them in the face telling them all sorts of outlandish stories, things of legends. And possibly disconnecting them
They probably believe Shepard is doing his best in his own way, but at the same time, think that he is overexcited, possibly easily fooled or easily comes to (far-fetched) conclusions and that he is seeing things.
And how could they admit that even though they have the galaxy at their fingertips, power, resources, loads of manpower and intel and they are three heads strong, some random Alliance soldier knows more than them, finds out more, knows the important things and is right about each and every one of them? Would you still have faith in a Council which could not recognize a threat and could have prevented some of the death and destruction (of the Citadel and inhabitants)?
They would probably say Saren or the Geth planted that device on Ilos and/or information, that it was a illusion, trap, etc. Just like when they denied Sovereign's existence and that it was all a Geth construct.
Also, there were teammates who went with Shepard. But the Council shows no interest in hearing the story of others who were present.
I think the biggest problem of the Council is their unwillingness to accept things that are outside their norm, their view of the galaxy and how it is. They can accept something is wrong, eventually (like with Saren), as long as it isn't something extraordinary.
They are used to a certain mindset and way things are in the galaxy. I think they believe they have a grip of things, that they maintain order, stability, balance and are wise. Not entirely untrue, but like it is said in the game, they are used to a long ongoing peace. Then someone who has just begun to work for them, from a upstart kind of species (humans), suddenly starts slapping them in the face telling them all sorts of outlandish stories, things of legends. And possibly disconnecting them
They probably believe Shepard is doing his best in his own way, but at the same time, think that he is overexcited, possibly easily fooled or easily comes to (far-fetched) conclusions and that he is seeing things.
And how could they admit that even though they have the galaxy at their fingertips, power, resources, loads of manpower and intel and they are three heads strong, some random Alliance soldier knows more than them, finds out more, knows the important things and is right about each and every one of them? Would you still have faith in a Council which could not recognize a threat and could have prevented some of the death and destruction (of the Citadel and inhabitants)?
Modifié par huyre, 18 juin 2012 - 11:24 .
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Posté 19 juin 2012 - 04:07
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The council would see Shepards memories as proof that Saren manipulated Shepard.
Shepard believes in the reapers. For him the vision on Eden Prime and the conversation with Sovereign on Virmire are proof of this.
But the council believes the reapers are just part of Sarens mindgames against Shepard to distract him and that Shepard believes in them because he fell prey to this mindgames. And for the council the conversation on Virmire will show the way Saren manipulates Shepard. They wouldnt see Sovereign as an actual reaper. They would see it as a VI or AI made by Saren to feed Shepard the reaper story.
So Shepards memories proof that the reapers are indeed just made up but Shepard believes in them due to Sarens manipulations.
Shepard believes in the reapers. For him the vision on Eden Prime and the conversation with Sovereign on Virmire are proof of this.
But the council believes the reapers are just part of Sarens mindgames against Shepard to distract him and that Shepard believes in them because he fell prey to this mindgames. And for the council the conversation on Virmire will show the way Saren manipulates Shepard. They wouldnt see Sovereign as an actual reaper. They would see it as a VI or AI made by Saren to feed Shepard the reaper story.
So Shepards memories proof that the reapers are indeed just made up but Shepard believes in them due to Sarens manipulations.
Modifié par Schlochtenberg, 19 juin 2012 - 04:10 .
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 02:28
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I just started a full, straight thru, trilogy play through. Just finished me1 (was my first time playing it actually), and i thought about certain things too. Surprised i didn't think of what u said in OP, but why didn't they record the conversation with vigil as proof????
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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 10:30
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Shadowkinz, good thinking. You would think that someone would record the words of a ancient VI of sorts. I had Liara on my team and it did cross my mind why she did not use her omnitool to record it, being a Prothean fangirl and all. But maybe they simply didn't think of it and I hardly know anything about omni-tools and maybe they can't be used to record it all.
Then again, like Schlochtenberg wrote, the Council might still think Saren is playing mindgames, using a constructed VI. And as I wrote, they probably would still think it was all deception, a clever device made by Geth and Saren.
Then again, like Schlochtenberg wrote, the Council might still think Saren is playing mindgames, using a constructed VI. And as I wrote, they probably would still think it was all deception, a clever device made by Geth and Saren.
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Posté 01 juillet 2012 - 10:41
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The Council, while I always found their conversations amusing (something I actually missed in the later games was arguing with them), felt a bit like.."strawmen?" I remember someone claiming it was to show that politicians are evil and/or incompetent. There's really no reason why there's no proof before the Reapers show up, but there would be less conflict/you wouldn't be treated as the crazy (wo)man if there was.
I definitely took issue with it, beyond the amusement I got with it, and its also why the whole thing with Udina bothers me (in the series, as a whole).
I definitely took issue with it, beyond the amusement I got with it, and its also why the whole thing with Udina bothers me (in the series, as a whole).
