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[liggy002]

What if it's hidden in the EC and the Singularity logic that we got from the Catalyst was all just B.S. ?  The EC releases an extended ending as Shepard wakes up in London and finds out the Reaper's underlying motives had everything to do with the Dark Energy Crisis.

[comrade gando]

maybe, truth is nobody knows anything except the writers at bioware. I suspect they have a huge plot twist in store for EC.

[ImmovableMover]

It's not.

Wasn't one of the big problems people had with the ending how jarring it was with the rest of the series and the game? You think they're going to solve that by suddenly going "Oh remember that tiny subplot we hinted at during one mission in the second game? That was the entire plot all along! THE END"?

Goddamn people, would you stop with this grasping at straws bull**** "WHAT IF THEY WERE ALL MEXICAN" style speculation?

Modifié par ImmovableMover, 15 juin 2012 - 12:58 .

[Baa Baa]

I have wondered this as well. But at this point, I don't believe BioWare was smart enough to add some sort of mind blowing secret ending. I pretty sure they just ****ed up and ruined a franchise with their "artistic vision"

[Tommyspa]

Dark Energy is worse than Synthetics vs Organics.

[Bill Casey]

What if the Reapers are just royal buttplanks?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 juin 2012 - 01:00 .

[Baa Baa]

ImmovableMover wrote...

It's not.

Wasn't one of the big problems people had with the ending how jarring it was with the rest of the series and the game? You think they're going to solve that by suddenly going "Oh remember that tiny subplot we hinted at during one mission in the second game? That was the entire plot all along! THE END"?

Goddamn people, would you stop with this grasping at straws bull**** "WHAT IF THEY WERE ALL MEXICAN" style speculation?

Dark Energy was relevant in the mission where you recruit Tali and the end mission (human reaper). But other than that, you are right. And they were all mexicans actually.
EDIT: Now that I think about it...

Modifié par Baa Baa, 15 juin 2012 - 01:09 .

[Illusive]

Doubtful. Even if that was their original intention, by now pretty much everyone knows about the Dark Energy plot and the EC surprise would be ruined.

Modifié par Kings19, 15 juin 2012 - 01:01 .

[Ansible]

Tommyspa wrote...

Dark Energy is worse than Synthetics vs Organics.

We got a tiny snippet of what the plot could have been, and it could have been very early in development.

My point is, the Dark Energy plot isn't anything. We don't know enough about it, or how it could have changed since the vague reveal we got way back when.

[liggy002]

Bill Casey wrote...

What if the Reapers are just royal buttplanks?

What's so wrong with the Dark energy plot?  It makes a hell of a lot more sense that Singularity.  In that instance, it seems as if the Reapers are trying to save themselves by saving the Universe and don't give a damn about organics.  Organics are a plague to them.  We "impose order on the chaos of organic evolution."  Could Dark Energy not be construed as Chaos?

[Ansible]

Baa Baa wrote...

ImmovableMover wrote...

It's not.

Wasn't one of the big problems people had with the ending how jarring it was with the rest of the series and the game? You think they're going to solve that by suddenly going "Oh remember that tiny subplot we hinted at during one mission in the second game? That was the entire plot all along! THE END"?

Goddamn people, would you stop with this grasping at straws bull**** "WHAT IF THEY WERE ALL MEXICAN" style speculation?

Dark Energy was relevant in the mission where you recruit Tali and the end mission (human reaper). But other than that, you are right. And they were all mexicans actually.

Well, that and a BILLION smaller references found throughout the game.  Parasini, Shadow Broker stuff, even some randon conversations. Plus, the AI aliens are something very close to what we know about the Reapers oigins according to the Dark Energy plot.

[kalikilic]

liggy002 wrote...

What if it's hidden in the EC and the Singularity logic that we got from the Catalyst was all just B.S. ?  The EC releases an extended ending as Shepard wakes up in London and finds out the Reaper's underlying motives had everything to do with the Dark Energy Crisis.

well, this could only happen with one ending.

[Bill Casey]

The reapers brainwash people. They burrow in minds and manipulate them. You can't ascribe pathos to them. They can't exposit their own motivations. It doesn't work...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 juin 2012 - 01:06 .

[adam32867]

i'll take dark energy over organics vs synthetics any day

[Ansible]

liggy002 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

What if the Reapers are just royal buttplanks?

What's so wrong with the Dark energy plot?  It makes a hell of a lot more sense that Singularity.  In that instance, it seems as if the Reapers are trying to save themselves by saving the Universe and don't give a damn about organics.  Organics are a plague to them.  We "impose order on the chaos of organic evolution."  Could Dark Energy not be construed as Chaos?

First of all, glad to find someone else on here who isn't pretty ridiculous when it comes to Dark Energy, liggy. Also, I've seen youa round,a nd you've got good threads and all.

I guess that's a compliment. Anyway, the reason for quoing is because I wanted to say in terms of the Reapers thinking they were saving everybody, Dark Energy would make a lot more sense in the context of Harbinger's taunting.

Like "We are trying to save you, idiot, stop fighting us"

Where as with this whole singularity thing, both Soveriegn and Harbinger sound like deluded mad men who aren't even aware of their purpose themselves.

[liggy002]

ImmovableMover wrote...

It's not.

Wasn't one of the big problems people had with the ending how jarring it was with the rest of the series and the game? You think they're going to solve that by suddenly going "Oh remember that tiny subplot we hinted at during one mission in the second game? That was the entire plot all along! THE END"?

Goddamn people, would you stop with this grasping at straws bull**** "WHAT IF THEY WERE ALL MEXICAN" style speculation?

They did hint at it.   I don't see why it would be so impossible.  Otherwise, you have more screwed up nonsense that shouldn't have been in the story in the first place if it has no relevance.  In this case, they need to think ahead before writing in material that has no place in the narrative.  They should, ideally, go with the Dark Energy plot or some similiar variant so as to make the narrative of Mass Effect 2 have more relevance.

[Bill Casey]

"You know that thing about the singularity? Yeah, we were lying to you, but Dark energy. That's totally why we're murdering everyone. We promise. Would this face lie?"





















"You know how I got these scars?"

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 juin 2012 - 01:11 .

[Ansible]

liggy002 wrote...

ImmovableMover wrote...

It's not.

Wasn't one of the big problems people had with the ending how jarring it was with the rest of the series and the game? You think they're going to solve that by suddenly going "Oh remember that tiny subplot we hinted at during one mission in the second game? That was the entire plot all along! THE END"?

Goddamn people, would you stop with this grasping at straws bull**** "WHAT IF THEY WERE ALL MEXICAN" style speculation?

They did hint at it.   I don't see why it would be so impossible.  Otherwise, you have more screwed up nonsense that shouldn't have been in the story in the first place if it has no relevance.  In this case, they need to think ahead before writing in material that has no place in the narrative.  They should, ideally, go with the Dark Energy plot or some similiar variant so as to make the narrative of Mass Effect 2 have more relevance.

I agree, and have always said that it seems silly to put a number of references in a game that you aren't really sure is going to go one way or the other. An entire mission that doesn't make sense now? Small mentions that have been disregarded? These are the downsides of not planning ahead and putting references to an ending you might not use.

And that is why it, even if it is in a small way, makes ME2's plot seem more irrelevent.

[Ansible]

Bill Casey wrote...

"You know that thing about the singularity? Yeah, we were lying to you, but Dark energy. That's totally why we're murdering everyone. We promise. Would this face lie?"





















"You know how I got these scars?"

Lets be honest here, if IT turned out to be true, this would be the case with every "real" ending. Like "How do we know he's not indoctrinated AGAIN!!??"

[Baa Baa]

Ansible wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

ImmovableMover wrote...

It's not.

Wasn't one of the big problems people had with the ending how jarring it was with the rest of the series and the game? You think they're going to solve that by suddenly going "Oh remember that tiny subplot we hinted at during one mission in the second game? That was the entire plot all along! THE END"?

Goddamn people, would you stop with this grasping at straws bull**** "WHAT IF THEY WERE ALL MEXICAN" style speculation?

They did hint at it.   I don't see why it would be so impossible.  Otherwise, you have more screwed up nonsense that shouldn't have been in the story in the first place if it has no relevance.  In this case, they need to think ahead before writing in material that has no place in the narrative.  They should, ideally, go with the Dark Energy plot or some similiar variant so as to make the narrative of Mass Effect 2 have more relevance.

I agree, and have always said that it seems silly to put a number of references in a game that you aren't really sure is going to go one way or the other. An entire mission that doesn't make sense now? Small mentions that have been disregarded? These are the downsides of not planning ahead and putting references to an ending you might not use.

And that is why it, even if it is in a small way, makes ME2's plot seem more irrelevent.

I agree with this one vagillion percent

[Xellith]

Dark Energy plot was silly.

[liggy002]

Bill Casey wrote...

The reapers brainwash people. They burrow in minds and manipulate them. You can't ascribe pathos to them. They can't exposit their own motivations. It doesn't work...

You're probably right.  I would rather have the Reapers remain a complete mystery.  In all honesty, though, if faced with the choice, I'd rather take Dark Energy if people absolutely must have an explanation for the Reapers.  The problem though, as I have said before, is that they have made references to it in the plot before hand such as the mission with Tali and the sun.   That won't really work either unless they make it a sub plot that doesn't specifically have to do with the Reapers.  You've got to admit though, it is a cool concept.

Modifié par liggy002, 15 juin 2012 - 01:19 .

[Erield]

liggy002 wrote...

What if it's hidden in the EC and the Singularity logic that we got from the Catalyst was all just B.S. ?  The EC releases an extended ending as Shepard wakes up in London and finds out the Reaper's underlying motives had everything to do with the Dark Energy Crisis.

What if the EC is just Shepard running around farting to the tune of Yakety Sax ?  The EC releases an extended ending as Shepard wakes up in London and finds out the Reaper's underlying motives was so retarded it turned into a stupid chase-scene.

[adam32867]

i love yakety sax

[NickG420]

I just want to know if the EC is going to let me cash in on all those drinks everyone promised me when this thing was over....