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[Armass81]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Mass Effect writer Drew Karpyshyn revealed his original intent for the ending of Mass Effect 3, which involved the concept of Dark Energy, which was hinted at in the previous two games, such as on Haelstrom during Tali's recruitment mission, when she commented that the planet's sun was an advanced age for no scientific reason.


The Dark Energy was a force that was going to consume everything. According to Karpyshyn, "The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of its genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread."

The original choice was between killing the Reapers and trying to find a way to stop the Dark Energy threat with what little time was left before it consumed the galaxy, or, "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means."

He said in an interview that it was one reason on the table among many, that eventually was discarded. The original plan always involved the mass relays and reapers.

Youre choices dont matter anymore in the dark energy ending than in the ending we got. Everything youve done during the past games turns out to be for nothing.

At least in the singularity ending humanity and other life ev entually survives. Dark energy either sacrifices humanity or doesnt guarantee us anything, so eventually all life will most likely die off when the suns start to expand due to dark energy.

Modifié par Armass81, 16 juin 2012 - 09:09 .

[Mcfly616]

Whether you like it or not....or even if it wouldn't have been great in your eyes......


DE > RGB

Why?

Because nothing can be any worse, make less sense, be less conclusive or be any more anti-climactic than the current ending

[Ageless Face]

I would love for the dark energy plot to be true. But the entire ME3 didn't even give us a hint about the dark energy. It was not talked about, everything was about the magical catalyst that will save everything.

If they will change the ending to it they should also change the entire game to fit the ending. Not possible in such a short time, and it won't be for free.

[Mcfly616]

Armass81 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Mass Effect writer Drew Karpyshyn revealed his original intent for the ending of Mass Effect 3, which involved the concept of Dark Energy, which was hinted at in the previous two games, such as on Haelstrom during Tali's recruitment mission, when she commented that the planet's sun was an advanced age for no scientific reason.


The Dark Energy was a force that was going to consume everything. According to Karpyshyn, "The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of its genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread."

The original choice was between killing the Reapers and trying to find a way to stop the Dark Energy threat with what little time was left before it consumed the galaxy, or, "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means."

He said in an interview that it was one reason on the table among many, that eventually was discarded. The original plan always involved the mass relays and reapers.

I'm sorry....how does this NOT involve the Reapers? Lol

And, I'm pretty sure the Relays are linked to.the Reapers.regardless.....which makes.complete sense......so who cares? Thats not my problem with the ending....

Edit: oh....and that whole previous post that you quoted by.me was a direct quote.....in fact, it was the entire interview/article copied and pasted. Those are his words. So if this is the interview you're referring to, then you're simply wrong.....if there's another interview could you possibly post the link?


http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings

Modifié par Mcfly616, 16 juin 2012 - 09:13 .

[Haargel]

comrade gando wrote...

maybe, truth is nobody knows anything except the writers at bioware. I suspect they have a huge plot twist in store for EC.

This. I don´t know what, but the ending we got isn´t the real end imo.

There are just far to many flaws, plotholes and errors and things that don´t make any sense that it isn´t healthy anymore.

I think logical, BioWare does not develop games this way, they create masterpieces.

I said it before and will say it again, we´re up for a big surprise.

Modifié par Haargel, 16 juin 2012 - 09:07 .

[nos_astra]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

How is the synthetic conflict in ME series not foreshadowing? You know, the fact that AI is banned, the geth-quarian war, the geth attacking outside veil, the gambling AI? Project Overlord? Hahne-Kedar Facility. The Lunar VI? The Zha'til? All this vs Couple of lines in Talis Mission in ME2.

Organic vs synthetic conflict has been one of the driving themes in this series. From the beginning. I agree its only one of the themes among many, but its undeniably there. Only thing we didnt know was that reapers were originally created to prevent exactly this, tough through very perverse means.

Great response!
Forshadowed indeed!

Armass81 wrote...

How is the synthetic conflict in ME series not foreshadowing? You know, the fact that AI is banned, the geth-quarian war, the geth attacking outside veil, the gambling AI? Project Overlord? Hahne-Kedar Facility. The Lunar VI? The Zha'til? All this vs Couple of lines in Talis Mission in ME2.

Organic vs synthetic conflict has been one of the driving themes in this series.
From the beginning. I agree its only one of the themes among many, but its undeniably there. Only thing we didnt know was that reapers were originally created to prevent exactly this, tough through very perverse means.

The geth-quarian war was caused by the quarians. The Geth established as merely wanting to survive. The heretics are established as being midguided by the Reapers. Legion is interested in working with organics. Problem eventually solved (it's even possible to barter peace).
The Luna VI ends up becoming EDI. Big WTF here but the intent is clear. EDI kind of falls ins love with Joker. Another big WTF but the intent is still clear. Luna VI proble is solved, EDI isn't established as a problem.

The Zha'til were put down by the Protheans. Problem solved.
Hahne-Kedar facility. You shoot the mechs dead. Problem solved.

AI is banned. Indicates awareness, smart organics.

Don't know about Overlord. Heard it's horrible.

So far it serves to highlight that conflict is not inevitable and if it happens it doesn't need to end the way the catalyst claims it was going to end.

I don't know. Does this count as foreshadowing? And if it is, is it done well?

Modifié par klarabella, 16 juin 2012 - 09:12 .

[Abraham_uk]

Overlord.

A human merged with an artificial intelligence in order to control the Geth.

It all went wrong and nearly unleashed a virus on the entire galaxy
Good thing Shepard came to save the day.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 16 juin 2012 - 09:14 .

[Armass81]

klarabella wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

How is the synthetic conflict in ME series not foreshadowing? You know, the fact that AI is banned, the geth-quarian war, the geth attacking outside veil, the gambling AI? Project Overlord? Hahne-Kedar Facility. The Lunar VI? The Zha'til? All this vs Couple of lines in Talis Mission in ME2.

Organic vs synthetic conflict has been one of the driving themes in this series. From the beginning. I agree its only one of the themes among many, but its undeniably there. Only thing we didnt know was that reapers were originally created to prevent exactly this, tough through very perverse means.

Great response!
Forshadowed indeed!

Armass81 wrote...

How is the synthetic conflict in ME series not foreshadowing? You know, the fact that AI is banned, the geth-quarian war, the geth attacking outside veil, the gambling AI? Project Overlord? Hahne-Kedar Facility. The Lunar VI? The Zha'til? All this vs Couple of lines in Talis Mission in ME2.

Organic vs synthetic conflict has been one of the driving themes in this series.
From the beginning. I agree its only one of the themes among many, but its undeniably there. Only thing we didnt know was that reapers were originally created to prevent exactly this, tough through very perverse means.

The geth-quarian war was caused by the quarians. The Geth established as merely wanting to survive. The heretics are established as being midguided by the Reapers. Legion is interested in working with organics. Problem eventually solved (it's even possible to barter peace).
The Luna VI ends up becoming EDI. Big WTF here but the intent is clear. EDI kind of falls ins love with Joker. Another big WTF but the intent is still clear. Luna VI proble is solved, EDI isn't established as a problem.

The Zha'til were put down by the Protheans. Problem solved.
Hahne-Kedar facility. You shoot the mechs dead. Problem solved.

AI is banned. Indicates awareness, smart organics.

Don't know about Overlord. Heard it's horrible.

So far it serves to highlight that conflict is not inevitable and if it happens it doesn't need to end the way the catalyst claims it was going to end.

I don't know. Does this count as foreshadowing? And if it is, is it done well?

Yes so the reapers might be wrong? So what? You think the catalyst cared when it started the cycles? You think the creators cared? They tought the opposite was true. Like I said it doesnt matter what the truth is, what matters is what they tought was true.

Modifié par Armass81, 16 juin 2012 - 09:22 .

[nos_astra]

Armass81 wrote...
Yes so the reapers might be wrong? So what? You think the catalyst cared when it started the cycles? You think the creators cared? They tought the opposite was true. Like I said it doesnt matter what the truth is, what matters is what they tought was true.

I'm not sure what we're debating here.

You claim there was foreshadowing to the tech singularity stuff. I say if there was it was done badly. I think the point of foreshadowing is to prepare the player/reader for what is to come and not outright reject the logic of the solutions that are presented to him. There should be a moment of "ah, makes sense now" instead of "what the hell, space gnome".

If the tech singularity problem was foreshadowed, it wasn't done properly. That's all I'm saying.

Modifié par klarabella, 16 juin 2012 - 09:44 .