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[The Six Path of Pain]

meh I don't mind waiting until 2014...gives them more time to work on the story,maps,quests,lore,combat,characters,and character designs(and possible origins).Hell push it back to late 2014 for all I care,I want the same experience I got from DA:O.

[Yrkoon]

Faerloch wrote...


I totally agree. Skyrim had some of the worst voice acting I've ever experienced, too. The four people they hired to do hundreds of voices weren't very talented, in my opinion.

You mean the 78 voice actors,  Which include many that were also in Dragon age 2  (Fenris' voice actor; Merideth's voice actor etc).

[The Six Path of Pain]

Yrkoon wrote...

Faerloch wrote...


I totally agree. Skyrim had some of the worst voice acting I've ever experienced, too. The four people they hired to do hundreds of voices weren't very talented, in my opinion.

You mean the 78 voice actors,  Which include many that were also in Dragon age 2  (Fenris' voice actor; Merideth's voice actor etc).

GET RAPED FAERLOCH lol

[Cyne]

I hope these rumors are not true, if they are it probably isn't because the devs are putting more time into it but getting shifted to other projects, like TOR

[Eudaemonium]

Yrkoon wrote...

Faerloch wrote...


I totally agree. Skyrim had some of the worst voice acting I've ever experienced, too. The four people they hired to do hundreds of voices weren't very talented, in my opinion.

You mean the 78 voice actors,  Which include many that were also in Dragon age 2  (Fenris' voice actor; Merideth's voice actor etc).

Faerloch probably confused it with Oblivion, which was filled with four people and the silent ghost of Patrick Stewart. Or Lothering in DAO which was populated by Jowan.

[astreqwerty]

Tell me: what was biowares tllast truly awesome rpg game??? It wasnt ME2 and definetely not ME3..it was dao and after that a constant decline in quality ensued with commercially succesfull but rather soulless games that dependened on cheap thrills (action-ization) and the past glory of genuine games such as ME1 and DAO. That being said i dont think biowares fall from grace is totally their own doing.. I think it mostly has to with external managing (EA) and the routes they set for bioware. I really hope that EA realizes that they cant get away with the cheap tactics they have been employing all along and allow bioware the proper time schedule to develop the game they are capable of
Therefore 2014 is damn fine for me...anything earlier would make it a no deal

[Jerrybnsn]

astreqwerty wrote...

Therefore 2014 is damn fine for me...anything earlier would make it a no deal

...unless I see a DA3 trailer with Morrigan opening up the sequence.  Then it's like:

http://t3.gstatic.co...UegZNgHYQE9DcXz

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 18 juin 2012 - 12:14 .

[Swordfishtrombone]

I don't mind waiting. I'd rather have an outstanding game in 2014, than a mediocre game in 2013.

[mousestalker]

I am willing and able to wait until they have taken the time they need to produce a stellar game. My hope is that Bioware will spend both time and money very wisely to deliver the best game possible.

[meteorswarm]

DA3,huge maps must(at least not smaller than DAO),with many sidequests.

[darrylzero]

In Faerloch's defense, no matter how many voice actors Skyrim had or how good some of them were, a lot of very mediocre talent was reused extensively. I liked Skyrim a lot, much more than I expected, but most of the voice acting was pretty terrible. Not all, but most.

[Cultist]

DA3 in 2014? Yes, please!
...and yet they delayed ME3 and produced...nah, I will be banned this way.

[Arcane_Warrior_Revan]

I don't mind if they don't release Dragon Age 3 until 2014, if it's another "DA: Origins".

[MKDAWUSS]

darrylzero wrote...

In Faerloch's defense, no matter how many voice actors Skyrim had or how good some of them were, a lot of very mediocre talent was reused extensively. I liked Skyrim a lot, much more than I expected, but most of the voice acting was pretty terrible. Not all, but most.

I think just about every studio seems to overuse voice talent. Take the DA series for example. I don't think there's anyone who voiced just one character. I think each voiced like 7 or 8.

[Androme]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Exactly. Waiting longer doesn't necessarily means it will be good. They could recruit people from the Kingdoms of Amalur team to assist them, since that company shut down.

There's the idea of diminishing returns too though.  Having "too many cooks in the kitchen" can be a bad thing.

Just as waiting longer doesn't mean a game will be good, throwing a ton of people at a game doesn't mean it's going to be good either.

Are you allowed to talk about how the development for the future of Dragon Age is going, or do you mean what you just wrote generally, and not specifically tied to a specific theoretical product by BioWare (ps: da3)

[Yrkoon]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

darrylzero wrote...

In Faerloch's defense, no matter how many voice actors Skyrim had or how good some of them were, a lot of very mediocre talent was reused extensively. I liked Skyrim a lot, much more than I expected, but most of the voice acting was pretty terrible. Not all, but most.

I think just about every studio seems to overuse voice talent. Take the DA series for example. I don't think there's anyone who voiced just one character. I think each voiced like 7 or 8.

There's no question on comparisons.  Voice acting for bioware games is almost always a step above Every studio, not just Bethesda.  But that doesn't mean the other studios' voice acting sucks, or, like you say, that Bioware's voice actors aren't also repetitively used.  And  Repitition isn't just with regards to the same voice actor voicing  multiple characters.  With Bioware you also get too much voice acting on one character.  For example, Male Hawke's Voice actor grates on my nerves after a while..... and  being stuck with it for 60 hours....  that's just a little much.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 juin 2012 - 03:30 .

[IanPolaris]

A lot of you seem to think that (presuming the rumor is true) that DA3 being pushed back is an unreservedly good think. I am not so sure. In fact I think it means that the entire Dragon Age franchise is in trouble. Why? As the old saying goes the devil is in the details.

If DA3 were being pushed back for "quality control" issues or "enhanced game play" or some other reason, then I would be right with some of you.

But it's not. DA3 is having resources taken away from it to work on something else. That means that no only does progress come to a near halt (which means the extra time isn't actually doing any good),but you are dividing the attention of your creative staff which will make them MORE ineffecient when working on DA3 (if and when they get back to it) because it's much harder to come back to a cold creative project than it is to simply to continue working on it.

Basically the Dragon Age franchise seems to be getting showed down the heirarchy of priorities and that is not a good thing. All IMHO of course.

-Polaris

[Faerloch]

Yrkoon wrote...

Faerloch wrote...


I totally agree. Skyrim had some of the worst voice acting I've ever experienced, too. The four people they hired to do hundreds of voices weren't very talented, in my opinion.

You mean the 78 voice actors,  Which include many that were also in Dragon age 2  (Fenris' voice actor; Merideth's voice actor etc).

Haha yes sir. They were an indistinguishable choir of mediocrity. In their defense, the writing didn't help their performances.

[Savber100]

Take your fracking time, Bioware.

After DA2, you have a lot to make up for.

Focus on creating a compelling, mature, consistent story please.

On a side-note, I'm beginning to think DA3 will be next-gen with new consoles probably coming out around 2013. 

Modifié par Savber100, 19 juin 2012 - 05:30 .

[RogueWriter3201]

Some great observations here; however, I'm going to keep it simple by saying, "Please, BioWare -i.e. Mike, David, and so on- take your time with this." I would rather wait years -yes, I said *years*- for the next chapter in the DA Saga then have it released anything close to under-developed.

I think one of the best examples of how long development cycles work in a company's favor would be Blizzard and their respective games. It took close to a decade to see the continuation of Starcraft and Diablo; however, in the end, it proved worth the wait (minus server issues) as both games showed every bit of the time and care taken.

Now, is a decade a bit extreme? Yes. However I don't think we'd have to wait that long. If DA3's development clocked in at a little under 3 years I would be perfectly content because I would know we'd be getting an experience closer to Origins then DA2 which, while fantastic, wasn't able to do everything it clearly wanted.

[Yrkoon]

Faerloch wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Faerloch wrote...


I totally agree. Skyrim had some of the worst voice acting I've ever experienced, too. The four people they hired to do hundreds of voices weren't very talented, in my opinion.

You mean the 78 voice actors,  Which include many that were also in Dragon age 2  (Fenris' voice actor; Merideth's voice actor etc).

Haha yes sir. They were an indistinguishable choir of mediocrity. In their defense, the writing didn't help their performances.

They  had the  same voice actors   bioware used  in ME2, and DA2.

So unless your stance is that ME2 and DA2  also featured  some of the worst voice acting you've ever experienced, you're contradicting yourself.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 juin 2012 - 11:04 .

[Faerloch]

Yrkoon wrote...

Faerloch wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Faerloch wrote...


I totally agree. Skyrim had some of the worst voice acting I've ever experienced, too. The four people they hired to do hundreds of voices weren't very talented, in my opinion.

You mean the 78 voice actors,  Which include many that were also in Dragon age 2  (Fenris' voice actor; Merideth's voice actor etc).

Haha yes sir. They were an indistinguishable choir of mediocrity. In their defense, the writing didn't help their performances.

They  had the  same voice actors   bioware used  in ME2, and DA2.

So unless your stance is that ME2 and DA2  also featured  some of the worst voice acting you've ever experienced, you're contradicting yourself.

Not at all. You can be a good soccer player and still play a bad game. If you think these are good voice actors, I felt they had a bad game in Skyrim.

Modifié par Faerloch, 19 juin 2012 - 03:21 .

[Jerrybnsn]

glenboy24 wrote...

I think one of the best examples of how long development cycles work in a company's favor would be Blizzard and their respective games. It took close to a decade to see the continuation of Starcraft and Diablo; however, in the end, it proved worth the wait (minus server issues) as both games showed every bit of the time and care taken. 

Yeah, ten years all that effort of hard work and creativity turned into a marketing train wreck .  You really have to feel bad for the developers on that game.  Blizzard jumped the shark with that one.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 19 juin 2012 - 04:19 .

[ItsTheTruth]

motomotogirl wrote...

My big fear, since they canceled the DA2 DLC and expansion, is that they will simply cancel the entire franchise...

They will just use assets from this DLC in DA3.