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[Trebor1969]

RedTail F22 wrote...

Do people still believe what they say?

lol.

But sadly you'll find that some people prefer to believe what they are told rather than to have their own opinion. life is simple that way ...

[Heimdal]

Why are people surprised? It's Colin Moriarity who wrote this s.c. "article". Ever since ME3 was released and he reviewed it - giving it a 9/10 - while we on the other hand hated it he has been offended on a personal level. This is the third (!) time he has used his connections with IGN to write or record som kind of video or article telling us (the ones who doesn't agree with him ) that we are morons and a-holes.This guy is SO pissed that we didn't just take his word for it and LOVED the game but instead used our own brains and formulated our own opinion. Also, I do think that there is a level of embaressement in all this. He gave a game a 9/10-rating while the rest of the gamers just didn't like it - as a reviewer to miss the mark like that is pretty effin embarrasing. Instead of owning up to his mistake he - and other reviwer in his position - is throwing **** in our direction telling us that we are wrong and he is right and we should STFO!. Notice how he always is trying to drive home the point that it is a very small minority that didnt like ME3 or EA as a company. Just a very small "entitled" minority... The rest of the world is on my, Colin Moriaritys, side Really, would Bioware make the EC or EA be voted worst company in the world if we were in the minority? It just doesn't add up.

[Tonymac]

Greed1914 wrote...

http://www.ign.com/a...-people-hate-ea


Basically, one of the folks at IGN hasn't seen these forums and largely thinks that people hate EA for making money. 

We hate IGN because they were on Bioware's tip from day one - they lied their butts off.  The ending sucked, and you guys lied.  When a critic lies like that, their name and rep goes down with the rest of that burning ship.  Bioware and EA ruined a really good series with a terrible suck butt ending - proving their hatred of fans worldwide.  EA isn't about making good games - they are about making a profit.  Somewhere in the mix, they forgot HOW to make sustainable profits.  They stopped producing quality polished products, and started just using advertising hype.  They rode Bioware's good name into the ground - making max profits for the least payout.  In the end, everyone lost but EA.  The fans werre left with a terrible game ending.  Bioware just flaunts an attitude - we are too dumb to get it - us mere amoebas of flesh and blood.  We get an extended cut we never wanted - to an ending we never wanted.  Its like an open wound with salt in it.

Any time a developer and writer come up with an ending where evil wins, and the main character is raped and destroyed, while someone else steals off with the love of their life -  then you will have issues with your fans.  Its bad enough you stab me, but did you have to work the blade like that?  Did you realy think, Bioware, that after you did this to me that I would do ANYTHING for you ever again?  Why would I spend another dime on your garbage?

The article also mentions that fans have already forgotten about ME3 and its utter fail ending.  Well, good sir, we have not forgotten.   Nor shall we EVER forget.  That ending broke all ties - and the flippant attitude of "We aren't going to fix it and...  um, and *Artistic Inegrity!*" is what sealed the deal.  Everyone involved in this fiasco will pay the piper.

So yeah - IGN can go on making trash up all they want to.  They have already proven they are not in touch with the game, nor the fans.  IGN was so busy touting about how awesome ME3 was that they forgot to actually look at the ending.  IGN will learn - its the FANS who hold the power, not EA, not Bioware, and not IGN.  When this is all tallied up and the chips are cashed in, its the fans that make the call.  We, the purchasers - we are the one that puts food on ALL of your tables.  You have offended a great many of us with that trash - and we will (are/have) take our business elsewhere.

[Obitim]

So what is a good alternative then?

[Aslanasadi]

Just because I don't talk about it anymore, doesn't mean I have forgotten these - in my opinion - awful endings. But I said what I had to say more than once and there are more things in life than these endings.

A lot of people, like me, are waiting for the DLC at the moment...who cares what IGN says. I don't take them serious anyways.

[GarethJShep]

agreed, ending was disapointing but the game was awesome. im really looking forward to the Extended cut.. i know bioware are going to nail it. i like IGN but they do come out with some non sense at times.

Modifié par Garethj17, 15 juin 2012 - 11:29 .

[Fireblader70]

Well it's technically sort of true, as people believe they take money without good justification. That's what the Day 1 DLC fiasco was all about, as well as not living up their promises for ME3, and also DA2.

[Helios969]

Other than the "everyone has already forgotten about" comment, it's a good read with a fair amount of criticism for EA.
Moore says, “There is this underlying belief in a lot of gamers that games shouldn't be profitable enterprises.

Is that true?  Are there gamers who think games should be break even propositions?  That's hard wrapping my head around anyone believing that in a free market economy.

[Medievalist]

A grim smile crossed my lips when I was reading this part of the IGN article:

As companies go, EA is not as cuddly and nice as, say Valve. But then, Valve isn’t publicly traded. Valve isn’t owned by banks.

This is the core problem, isn't it? There's not just two parties involved, but in fact there are four:

classic model

Game company (self-publishing) ------------> Players

EA model

Shareholders ------> Publisher ------> Developer ------> Players

It becomes clear that both sides of the lower model do not have any contact at all and are not likely to share any mutuality when looking at the exact same product.
The more people involved, the more friction can occur. And I assume there was occuring a lot at the final stage of ME3's development...

Modifié par Medievalist, 15 juin 2012 - 11:39 .

[DamonD7]

Helios969 wrote...

Other than the "everyone has already forgotten about" comment, it's a good read with a fair amount of criticism for EA.
Moore says, “There is this underlying belief in a lot of gamers that games shouldn't be profitable enterprises.

Is that true?  Are there gamers who think games should be break even propositions?  That's hard wrapping my head around anyone believing that in a free market economy.

No, I think that bit's a pretty laughable bit of strawman from Moore there. "You don't like apples, therefore you agree all trees should be burnt down" kind of thing.

[Cyberarmy]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I will never forget.

i will never forget too.

[Bourne Endeavor]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

There is no such thing as "professional journalism" in the video games industry. I learned that the first time when I learned that Gamespot fired the reviewer for Kane and Lynch for giving it a 6/10. The really ****ed up part? It was at the behest of the company who made it. If that doesn't tell you how corrupt the video game industry is, I don't know what will. 

I'll go you one better. Jeff, who was the employee they fired, created his own company, GiantBomb, that was later bought out by Gamespot. They retained his services and he just so happened to blast us fans for daring to claim BioWare should change their ending. Nice guy, really.

[Carlthestrange]

Funny. I don't seem to have forgotten.

[Heather Cline]

I haven't forgotten nor have I stopped coming here voicing my hate for the ending or the way the game was stripped down and streamlined.

[Joe Del Toro]

Cyberarmy wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I will never forget.

i will never forget too.

I will never forget too.

[pacientK]

Bathaius wrote...

I could care less what IGN thinks about anything.

[Drake-Shepard]

Obitim wrote...

So what is a good alternative then?

angryjoe? yahtzee?
I don't always agree with their opinion but atleast they are honest

[Bad King]

www.youtube.com/watch

[Oransel]

"So, those haters want you to buy only indie developer's games, depite the fact that EA is producing high quality and entertaining AAA games for the last decade".

[AngryFrozenWater]

Ah. Yes. IGN. I used to look forward reading their articles, but now that they have no idea what journalism is anymore, they have lost their credibility. IGN is now just a tool for the industry to promote their products.

Nothing to see there.

[magnutz06]

Conflict of interest....its why you cant trust a word IGN says about EA games.

[sg1fan75]

I will never forget!

[Lakeshow1986]

No one hates a company because they make money, that's a ridiculous statement. I don't "hate" EA, but I'm not keen on the shortened dev time between games that we've seen in DA and ME .

[Bad King]

Hmm, why has nobody posted the famous gif yet?

[KrazyKiko]

I haven't held EA in high-esteem since they bought their way to monopolize the NFL license (not to mention their disdain towards my old beloved Dreamcast console); while odd I don't have the same feeling towards the NFL, I despised EA actions to get the NFL exclusively..yet I still buy Madden for my NFL fix. boo. I loved the NFL 2K-series; it was my favorite up until the greed of the NFL and EA filled their eyes. I really hoped the NFL would've took the high ground, said no, and allowed competition to prosper.

Needless to say, when I heard they bought BioW_EA_r, I had a feeling ME wouldn't be able to stay out of EA's [IMO] greedy focus on quantity - not quality [/IMO], despite their PR to the contrary. Unless someone deep within EA's ranks breaks cover and tells us the game 'was' released early due to "earnings" pressure, we probably won't know how much of a role EA had in its 'famed' ending (I believe it was, personally). I'm certainly not plugged-in to the video game scene as much as I would like, but to see "publications" so syncronized with VG publishers and studios, it's disappointing that independence is no longer practiced. I certainly wouldn't be lobbing any softball questions ("ME3 release too early, sir? Due to earnings, maybe?"); then again, I doubt they let me in the door knowing that.