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[Ridwan]

Are they worth it? It takes time to develop it well and it's pretty cost consuming. How are they going to pitch it to the publishers? Let's be honest withourselves, a game like New Super Mario Bros. Wii destroys every single Bioware game released combined, yet the story in it is incredible simple, it's 2D graphic and it's on one platform.

I understand there is a big genre difference between the two games, but if you're a suit who knows nothing about video game, you look at the numbers and you wonder "How come our game ain't breaking the 5 million mark after all the money and work we put into it, and this game [New Super Mario Bros. Wii] does?"

So is there a future in this? Should we embrace microtransactions like weapon packs as part of high budget games to make up for the sales?

[Xellith]

Im sure they will. They want money.

[garrusfan1]

Uh yeah they will

[Darth_Trethon]

lol....Super Mario destroying ME1, DAO, KotOR and so on....I clicked on this thread expecting a reasonable discussion but so far I see only trolling. Super Mario can't beat the one Sonic game BioWare made let alone any of their AAA titles....try harder next time.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 15 juin 2012 - 03:41 .

[Carlthestrange]

Sort of, but we can expect them to be the sort of yearly updates you get from EA. Which means you'll finish them in about 6 hours, and the rest of the year will be filled with DLC rendered redundant when the next part of the "series" comes out and EA shut down the servers of the previous game.

[Ridwan]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

lol....Super Mario destroying ME1, DAO, KotOR and so on....I clicked on this thread expecting a reasonable discussion but so far I see only trolling.

Super Mario sold over 25 million copies, now compare it with the Bioware products. So yes IT DID destroy Biowares games. The only one that is trolling is you.

[.458]

I haven't checked recently, but not long ago the entertainment industry was the fastest growing industry in the world. Within that, software gaming was the biggest segment (Blizzard's WoW was the biggest chunk of this). Every publisher wants growth and profit. It's just a matter of whether they think they will profit. The ones that don't understand the industry and its customers fail. The ones that do understand succeed bigger than anyone else in other industries. ME3 obviously has fans that could make this a success into ME4...I have my doubts about that particular one though. My doubts are because I don't think the people in charge understand the fans and work on the wrong things, acting like a typical publisher and not a game software publisher. You get cult classics from even B-rated material in games like this if they are understood, or you get a failure as fans abandon the game. But rest assured, someone will create the next killer game and it will last for years.

[Ridwan]

Well how long are we going to wait for that game then? Like I said, if I was a publisher, I'd look at the cheap indie games that are selling actually very well, with low costs and I'd give it serious thought whether or not it's worth making big budget games, bribe reviewers (Yes I said bribe), and still not be able to break the 5 million mark.

Take Heavy Rain for example. God knows, how much it cost to develop that game and it couldn't break the 4 million mark. If I was the publisher, I wouldn't want to invest in a sequel of that game.

[Darth_Trethon]

M25105 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

lol....Super Mario destroying ME1, DAO, KotOR and so on....I clicked on this thread expecting a reasonable discussion but so far I see only trolling.

Super Mario sold over 25 million copies, now compare it with the Bioware products. So yes IT DID destroy Biowares games. The only one that is trolling is you.

That number is quite meaningless given that it encompasses a million games starting from the stone age. So not really no. That's marketing talk like Sony saying how great their gaming is and showing a 15 minute video of clips from nothing but PS2 games at E3 a couple years back. I just face palmed really hard.

[alec1898]

M25105 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

lol....Super Mario destroying ME1, DAO, KotOR and so on....I clicked on this thread expecting a reasonable discussion but so far I see only trolling.

Super Mario sold over 25 million copies, now compare it with the Bioware products. So yes IT DID destroy Biowares games. The only one that is trolling is you.

It's called casual audiences.

[Ridwan]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

lol....Super Mario destroying ME1, DAO, KotOR and so on....I clicked on this thread expecting a reasonable discussion but so far I see only trolling.

Super Mario sold over 25 million copies, now compare it with the Bioware products. So yes IT DID destroy Biowares games. The only one that is trolling is you.

That number is quite meaningless given that it encompasses a million games starting from the stone age. So not really no. That's marketing talk like Sony saying how great their gaming is and showing a 15 minute video of clips from nothing but PS2 games at E3 a couple years back. I just face palmed really hard.

I wrote specifically New Super Mario Bros. Wii in my opening post. That game sold over 25 million copies, if you took every game that involves Mario in some way or another, the number would be in the hundreds of millions.
You can't seem to understand this concept, so no wonder you're facepalming.

[Ridwan]

alec1898 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

lol....Super Mario destroying ME1, DAO, KotOR and so on....I clicked on this thread expecting a reasonable discussion but so far I see only trolling.

Super Mario sold over 25 million copies, now compare it with the Bioware products. So yes IT DID destroy Biowares games. The only one that is trolling is you.

It's called casual audiences.

Casual audience is a term invented by publishers to explain why their so called awesome games failed to meet up to expectations. "It's a casual surge, quick make casual games!"

Is Diablo 3, by your definition a casual game too?

[Slayer299]

I can see Bioware releasing new IP's in the future, however, I don't think they'll be "epic" as was Mass Effect (prior to 3) or Dragon Age. Bioware's going for the non-plot heavy stories it seems nowadays, where less thinking is required.

[shodiswe]

M25105 wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

lol....Super Mario destroying ME1, DAO, KotOR and so on....I clicked on this thread expecting a reasonable discussion but so far I see only trolling.

Super Mario sold over 25 million copies, now compare it with the Bioware products. So yes IT DID destroy Biowares games. The only one that is trolling is you.

It's called casual audiences.

Casual audience is a term invented by publishers to explain why their so called awesome games failed to meet up to expectations. "It's a casual surge, quick make casual games!"

Is Diablo 3, by your definition a casual game too?

I would think so, hack and slash.

[ticklefist]

Slayer299 wrote...

I can see Bioware releasing new IP's in the future, however, I don't think they'll be "epic" as was Mass Effect (prior to 3) or Dragon Age. Bioware's going for the non-plot heavy stories it seems nowadays, where less thinking is required.

Couldn't have said it better. 

[Ridwan]

shodiswe wrote...

M25105 wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

lol....Super Mario destroying ME1, DAO, KotOR and so on....I clicked on this thread expecting a reasonable discussion but so far I see only trolling.

Super Mario sold over 25 million copies, now compare it with the Bioware products. So yes IT DID destroy Biowares games. The only one that is trolling is you.

It's called casual audiences.

Casual audience is a term invented by publishers to explain why their so called awesome games failed to meet up to expectations. "It's a casual surge, quick make casual games!"

Is Diablo 3, by your definition a casual game too?

I would think so, hack and slash.

And Mass Effect is point and shoot. Does that make it a casual game too?

Modifié par M25105, 15 juin 2012 - 04:25 .

[Teacher50]

When companies fail, new ones will come along and rise to the top. Unfortunately, when they succeed is when some big company comes along and eats them.

[DeepChild]

I checked http://www.vgchartz.com, and I was pretty surprised to see that you are right. NSMBW sold 25 million copies globally. Bioware games for this generation performed as follows:

Mass Effect - 3.12 million.

Mass Effect 2 - 4.47 (3.96 is listed, but they have zero sales for North America for the PC version which is obviously wrong, so I used the ME3 number of 0.51 million here)

Mass Effect 3 - 3.59 (odd that the numbers for ME3 are lower than ME2. I'm not sure how up to date the numbers are, and ME3 has only been out since March)

Dragon Age Origins - 4.15 million

Dragon Age II - 1.94 million

SWTOR - 2.34 million

So Bioware's current generation catalog comes in at around 20 million units sold (so far). The OP has a valid point.

Bioware pours a lot of effort and talent into their games, and any of the Mass Effect series is a HUGE value at $60, especially in comparison to something as relatively simple as a 2D Mario game (however fun it may be).

EDIT:  Just to be specific, the OP is correct in quoting the sales figures for NSMB Wii alone at 25.5 million.
Incidentally, the DS version sold 28.31 million.

Modifié par DeepChild, 15 juin 2012 - 04:19 .

[ohiocat110]

Yeah, of course. The problem is now that the gaming industry is big, it will see a lot of the same problems as the movie industry. Little creativity, follow-the-leader trends, and everything starting to look the same.

In Hollywood everything now is either a super hero movie or gritty reboot. In gaming now everything is either an FPS or TPS with a multiplayer full of unlockables. Kind of like in the late 90s how everything was a period action movie or gross-out comedy, and the big video games were either adventure/RPGs or racing games.

[Teacher50]

ticklefist wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

I can see Bioware releasing new IP's in the future, however, I don't think they'll be "epic" as was Mass Effect (prior to 3) or Dragon Age. Bioware's going for the non-plot heavy stories it seems nowadays, where less thinking is required.

Couldn't have said it better. 

True... I’m surprised no one has pointed out that the RPG is now heading for the FPS market. Seems that was EA’s objective to sell it as such to make more money. DLC’s and weapons packs clearly make more money. Has an EA product ever had an epic single player game?

I don’t include such as golf and soccer since they just remake maps and players or possibly improve the game play.

[Ridwan]

DeepChild wrote...

I checked http://www.vgchartz.com, and I was pretty surprised to see that you are right. NSMBW sold 25 million copies globally. Bioware games for this generation performed as follows:

Mass Effect - 3.12 million.

Mass Effect 2 - 4.47 (3.96 is listed, but they have zero sales for North America for the PC version which is obviously wrong, so I used the ME3 number of 0.51 million here)

Mass Effect 3 - 3.59 (odd that the numbers for ME3 are lower than ME2. I'm not sure how up to date the numbers are, and ME3 has only been out since March)

Dragon Age Origins - 4.15 million

Dragon Age II - 1.94 million

SWTOR - 2.34 million

So Bioware's current generation catalog comes in at around 20 million units sold (so far). The OP has a valid point.

Bioware pours a lot of effort and talent into their games, and any of the Mass Effect series is a HUGE value at $60, especially in comparison to something as relatively simple as a 2D Mario game (however fun it may be).

EDIT:  Just to be specific, the OP is correct in quoting the sales figures for NSMB Wii alone at 25.5 million.
Incidentally, the DS version sold 28.31 million.

Thanks for the support (in regards to the numbers).

[xxskyshadowxx]

Problem with games now is that the cost of goods is pretty high when compared with the revenue the games earn. So profit margins decrease and as a result, corporations are less willing to take risks or do anything different. This is why games are starting to mimic each other even between genres to a degree, and there are continued conveyor belt reiterations and disc-locked and Day 1 DLC, etc. Folks don't seem to mind much (forum complaints and whatnot aside, the games and DLC still sell) so I expect this trend to continue.

When the new consoles hit the markets, I expect this trend to get worse, as the cost to make the games will be much increased.

Modifié par xxskyshadowxx, 15 juin 2012 - 04:42 .

[The Angry One]

Yes basically when shovelware like CoD makes more money than games you put actual effort into, it's no surprise that game developers will gravitate towards that.

[Sebby]

New Super Mario Bros may have a simple plot but it doesn't insult our intelligence like the stupid crucible plot does.