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[Xaijin]

Malditor wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Perhaps you were playing with subpar players. I was playing with people whom would headshot two assaults and strip the shields completely off a Centurion in about two and half seconds and reload the weapon fast enough to kill the centurion before a another player could deploy a killing power other than weapon. I have done the same, and had people just leave mid match because I'm removing the the trash faster than their trash removal characters, and then racking 50/60% damage on bosses and heavies.

Your use of the words "typical" and "meant" are completely spurious and specious. Since there are two infiltrators with AoE powers, your argument also appears completely fabricated, as BW's design team obviously feels otherwise.

Whether you choose to acknowledge it, infiltrators are far and away the strongest class in Mass Effect multiplayer. There isn't another class with the same spike damage potential outside of a biotic comboing a boss, which is an entirely situational occurrence. Meanwhile Inf's are doing the same damage regardless of enemy type or situation.

Try some objective deconstruction before applying opinions; it'll make your arguments much stronger.

Those people, and you obviously, are taking multiple aimed shots aka one target at a time, unless you are lining up collaterals. The AoE powers aren't boosted to the super high level that this weapons damage is being a SR, a weapon with an AoE boosted by the SR bonus should never have been implemented. Perhaps I am wrong, that the developers did decide that Infiltrators should have this super powerful AoE weapon. If they did decide that then they also knew the damage it would cause with with TC on and it was intended. 

I'm not sure why you're responding then if you're fine with it being intended. Apparently a lot of other players aren't. Regardless of how many people POST on the forums, a gigantic chunk of the playerbase READS them, and Infiltrators have ballooned in the last couple of weeks, in much the same way other classes balloon after Video Guy of the Week threads, and they manage to perform  better in kill ratio despite making colossal mistakes and very amateur things in gold during objectives. Notice the difference? Spike in kill ratio, wipes on objectives, particularly with geth waves. Not terribly hard to figure out what's going on. Most competent players noticed the strengths right away, and some have been complaining about the level of class strength since launch, whether it was INTENDED or not. That it's now in vogue isn't really germane. It's always been there.

Your assumptions about my playstyle are also incorrect.

Modifié par Xaijin, 16 juin 2012 - 06:57 .

[mrwizeguy]

OblivionDawn wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

maybe you need help. i dont.
usually.. i even offer help.
now , its not about score or stealing , when fighting i input a certain amount of effort right? right i guess, my reward for that input is succeeding at what im on thus killing that group of enemies. we agree so far? good , some shootin thin air achieving what i been bustin my ass just dosent feel fair to me . u agree little trolling noob? thaaaaaank you.

Whether or not you need help is irrelevant. Since this is a coop game, everyone works towards a common end whether you like it or not. You get the reward for the kills in the form of XP, no matter who actually gets the kill.

Also, this a game, there is no work or busting of ass involved. Try to keep that in mind, and you might not have your feelings hurt so bad next time someone cooperates with you.

ok buddy listen up , i can see from your manifest you dont have enough time to invest in gameplay nor $$ to get those shinny UR blacks. Yea obviously a rare X easy to max aoe no need to aim fireball weapon would be just the s**t for you to easily roll on gold scoring those creds and try to defend it . Yet dont try proove us all we r the s**it bro. jesus lol 

Your grammar is terrible and I can hardly understand what you're saying. But from what I could decipher, you seem to think that my manifest is some indication of my playing skill. This is clearly not the case, or your manifest would imply that you had any idea what you're talking about.

You don't.

Like I said. Try not to get so worked up over someone doing better than you in a video game. Calling people noobs because they outscore you is terribly ironic.

man enough is enough .get your krysae and shove it up you kno where. 
Nobody outscores me ever ask aroun you fool but thats just NOT the point. This the best argument you can think of? i have explained in several post if you r just thick and dont undreastand stop trolling .

[Psycho Pisces]

The facepalm is still strong with this thread.

It ultimately boils down to a few simple facts people.

1. Scoreboard means nada.
2. Kills mean nada.
3. This is Co-Op.. The credits are the only thing that matter.

Weapons, underpowered/balanced/overpowered are the spice that give this game life... If you don't like it, change the game up. Don't come here and destroy the experience for others by stomping around and throwing a fit.

This is not a pissing contest, if you want something like that.. Go play BF3 or MW3.. The idea is to work as a group, get the job done, and take the money. If I'm given a gun that helps me do that quicker, great.

[eldrjth]

I havent played this in a while but the game would not be better. if everyone was good at the highest difficulty level and played with their decent characters and it was certain that you would beat it then it might be boring, but its no fun to wipe on gold or have bad team members that are a hindrance when you want to collect on credits at the end. I guess if youre interested in the challenge aspect then its boring.

[Annelos]

Issue with the Krysae is that it allows the amount of destruction that should be reserved for higher tier weapons but it's only the part of the bigger issue which is the game difficulty.

While players obtain more credits and they learn to be more efficient with their characters and they obtain better weapons, Gold might be too boring in the near future to play it.

Besides, what will be the point of playing it if you will get all (or almost all) of the upgrades that interest you?

I think that Bioware will have to come up with some decent multiplayer add ons - something more than just couple of maps and new characters, because it won't be enough to keep people interested in it for more than several months since this day.

[kevchy]

Like you, OP, I play on the PS3.

I can honestly tell you this, the game is STILL the same, with or without the Krysae. It has yet to have an effect on my playing experience.

[Blavak]

God, it is just game, so stop complaining! If you hate it, dont play with it. If you dont want play with people using Krysae, dont play with them. If you hate how game coop works and is done, dont play it! Its simple!

[Funky_D_Luffy]

I just played a couple rounds with the Krysae, and a couple with the Black Widow. Guess what?!

I got the same score, every time.

B-b-b-b-but... The Krysae is supposed to be soooo OP, right?! I thought I was supposed to be slaying anything that moves into a 500M radius, and ruining everyone's fun?!
Well... Maybe on Bronze that could happen. Not on Gold, or even Silver. Stop whining.

[Daklanceff]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The game was fine without it, and it was better without it.  The way to end the Inflitrator/Krysae nerf insanity is to remove the weapon that is causing the problem in the first place - the Kruhshay sniper cannon rifle long-range proximity mine missle.

Sniper rifle was already the most powerful weapon class without it.  It's simply overkill to have this in the game.  It's a totally unnecessary weapon.  If it was taken out, the unskilled players who rely on it would cry for a couple of days, and then they'd get over it.  And the nerf talk would disappear.  And the game would be brought closer back into balance.

It would be good for everyone and for the long-term playability of this game.

In short: Don't nerf it; DELETE it.

actually

this game would be better off without YOU

[kevchy]

I notice something here, OP.

Whenever someone says "I've outscored someone with a Krysae.", you say "they must be bad players".

When someone pwns stuff with it, you make threads such as these.

In other words, it all comes down to the players using it. You just had a bad day with PUGs.

Also, stop calling people "noobs". Are you like, 13 or something?

[GallowsPole]

I just saw a GE running around with one. When that happens, it's time to get rid of it!

/sarcasm

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Under 13. Banned.

[Annelos]

Funky_D_Luffy wrote...

I just played a couple rounds with the Krysae, and a couple with the Black Widow. Guess what?!

I got the same score, every time.

(...)
Well... Maybe on Bronze that could happen. Not on Gold, or even Silver. Stop whining.

Except Krysae is RARE and BW is ULTRA RARE

[Funky_D_Luffy]

Annelos wrote...

Except Krysae is RARE and BW is ULTRA RARE

If I owned the board with a BW, then I could own the board with an Incisor. My BW is only level II, and I'm actually better with the Widow X. Not that I'm all that great at sniping in the first place, but thanks to the Krysae, I have a renewed passion for all snipers.

[Elijini]

Having read all the OP replies within this thread.....cant tell if trolling or just really unfortunate. So many attacks on anyone who disagrees with any part of his post or playstyle. Hilarious to read though.


Anyway, as to the weapon itself I have two things to say:

What? Game breaking? Awful experience? Other exaggerations? Cant say I have seen this, ever. Its an amusing weapon, ran 3-4 matches with it then got bored and started toying with other options again. Cant say have ever ran into situations where its rampant throughout MP. Im really confused to where these people who see it in 90% of their games are....is it...is it because you yourself are using it people? Because thats the only way I can fathom this situation.

Secondly, asking a developer to retcon something from their product is amusing in how highly people must think of themselves to warrant the developers will simply delete all their hard word to cater to you and incredibly insulting to those developers.

"Hey, we made something for free! I mean its free to you guys. It cost us time and effort to design and code and then impliment successfully, but we did it because we you community. What? You hate it? You want us to undo it all, take it back, erase it from the game? You know buddy, I take that back, go jump off a pier."

[ka243]

stop whining

[D.Shepard]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The game was fine without it, and it was better without it.  The way to end the Inflitrator/Krysae nerf insanity is to remove the weapon that is causing the problem in the first place - the Kruhshay sniper cannon rifle long-range proximity mine missle.

Sniper rifle was already the most powerful weapon class without it.  It's simply overkill to have this in the game.  It's a totally unnecessary weapon.  If it was taken out, the unskilled players who rely on it would cry for a couple of days, and then they'd get over it.  And the nerf talk would disappear.  And the game would be brought closer back into balance.

It would be good for everyone and for the long-term playability of this game.

In short: Don't nerf it; DELETE it.

They cannot delete it since players who have acquire it have the right to keep it.
However I agree with you about one thing: Krysae is about to ruin this game because it is the reason Infiltrators are about to cease their existence as we know (if nerfers will prevail, of course)

The irony about it is that Krysae has been overrated since the beginning. It's fun to fire a couple of explosive rounds but nothing more. Not even its AoE can make it so powerful as they claimed it to be.
I strongly believe the Nerf was just a "community request".

Here the stages of Krysae's evolution:

1. Fans require a sniper rifle with explosive rounds as we have in ME
2. BW gave us one of the with Rebellion DLC
3. Several players start to post "nerf topic" about it here on BSN claiming the weapon is insanely overpowered
 (consider Krysae had even before Nerf the lower DPS among sniper rifles except for Viper)
4. BW decide to nerf its damage.  I would have done the same since if player don't like to have the explosive rifle they asked it's not my problem (just my interpretation on BW point of view)
5. Nerfer start to say the problem was not Krysae itself but the damage bonuses of Infltrators (since the weapon is useless with other classes) thus....
6. Ask for Infiltrator nerf

Since I have noticed nerfers have a lot of free time they will make a very effective campaign and infiltrators will nerfed along with their fun.
And yes, all of this for the Krysae.

It's the so called Krysae Effect: you release a Krysae rifle in ME3 and all the game will get nerfed to boredom.

I wished they never released this weapon. I play mostly infiltrators because I like the idea of the "cloaking devices in warefare" but it seems fun is secondary among a part of the gaming community.

[astheoceansblue]

The gun may have the potential to imbalanced things, but it's very easy to avoid if you have an active friend's list.

Hell, I rarely even see it being used in public Gold, and if I enter a lobby with someone using one I can leave and find another in seconds.

Hardly an issue, imo.

[Funky_D_Luffy]

astheoceansblue wrote...

The gun may have the potential to imbalanced things, but it's very easy to avoid if you have an active friend's list.

Hell, I rarely even see it being used in public Gold, and if I enter a lobby with someone using one I can leave and find another in seconds.

Hardly an issue, imo.

Why exactly do you leave? Isn't that a bit pretentious? The weapon is viable on Gold. It isn't the Death Star, and it isn't a gimp. Why would you just leave?

[Olivia Wilde]

I don't see the Krysae as game-breaking

I use it and i like it..but I could just as easily use the Geth Plasma shotgun or the Saber which happen to weigh the same (at least the Saber wil if I get it to rank 10 instead of 9 where it is)

I almost exclusively play Silver and see it here and there

Haven't played Bronze since before Rebellion Launched and haven't played Gold Since it launched

Modifié par Millafan4526, 16 juin 2012 - 03:33 .

[astheoceansblue]

Funky_D_Luffy wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

The gun may have the potential to imbalanced things, but it's very easy to avoid if you have an active friend's list.

Hell, I rarely even see it being used in public Gold, and if I enter a lobby with someone using one I can leave and find another in seconds.

Hardly an issue, imo.

Why exactly do you leave? Isn't that a bit pretentious? The weapon is viable on Gold. It isn't the Death Star, and it isn't a gimp. Why would you just leave?

That's not what pretentious means.

I might leave because I don't like the gameplay mechanic of the Krysae, and if the player is very good I don't like how it can disrupt the flow and pace of a game.

I didn't say I always leave anyway, I said the options to avoid it are easy to use and effective.

[Pitznik]

Funky_D_Luffy wrote...

Annelos wrote...

Except Krysae is RARE and BW is ULTRA RARE

If I owned the board with a BW, then I could own the board with an Incisor. My BW is only level II, and I'm actually better with the Widow X. Not that I'm all that great at sniping in the first place, but thanks to the Krysae, I have a renewed passion for all snipers.

"If I was able to drive a nail using a hammer, I could as well do it using a sausage." BW is an absolutely great, awesome weapon. Incisor is not. That you managed to score good with BW doesn't mean that you would score as good with Incisor.

[Funky_D_Luffy]

astheoceansblue wrote...

That's not what pretentious means.

I might leave because I don't like the gameplay mechanic of the Krysae, and if the player is very good I don't like how it can disrupt the flow and pace of a game.

I didn't say I always leave anyway, I said the options to avoid it are easy to use and effective.

Not to argue semantics, but it just seems that you are placing yourself above the Krysae user, when there isn't a reason to do so. Hence pretentious. Do you absolutely have to be the best/highest scorer in every match you play?

Do you do the same for BW users? The Claymore? You single out the Krysae for an apparently flimsy reason, yet many more weapons are capable of going Beast Mode.  This unfairly stereotypes Krysae users, and ruins the game for them.

[Pitznik]

Funky_D_Luffy wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

That's not what pretentious means.

I might leave because I don't like the gameplay mechanic of the Krysae, and if the player is very good I don't like how it can disrupt the flow and pace of a game.

I didn't say I always leave anyway, I said the options to avoid it are easy to use and effective.

Not to argue semantics, but it just seems that you are placing yourself above the Krysae user, when there isn't a reason to do so. Hence pretentious. Do you absolutely have to be the best/highest scorer in every match you play?

Do you do the same for BW users? The Claymore? You single out the Krysae for an apparently flimsy reason, yet many more weapons are capable of going Beast Mode.  This unfairly stereotypes Krysae users, and ruins the game for them.

Why you Krysae-lovers have to repeat your silly assumptions all the time? It is NOT about the score. It is about not having much fun when GI with Krysae X turns everything into goo, and you just feel like a spectator. Especially if you know how much effort it takes.

[astheoceansblue]

Funky_D_Luffy wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

That's not what pretentious means.

I might leave because I don't like the gameplay mechanic of the Krysae, and if the player is very good I don't like how it can disrupt the flow and pace of a game.

I didn't say I always leave anyway, I said the options to avoid it are easy to use and effective.

Not to argue semantics, but it just seems that you are placing yourself above the Krysae user, when there isn't a reason to do so. Hence pretentious. Do you absolutely have to be the best/highest scorer in every match you play?

Do you do the same for BW users? The Claymore? You single out the Krysae for an apparently flimsy reason, yet many more weapons are capable of going Beast Mode.  This unfairly stereotypes Krysae users, and ruins the game for them.

Not going to bickering mate. I didn't say anything about score. Try not to project.