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[Malditor]

Xaijin wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Perhaps you were playing with subpar players. I was playing with people whom would headshot two assaults and strip the shields completely off a Centurion in about two and half seconds and reload the weapon fast enough to kill the centurion before a another player could deploy a killing power other than weapon. I have done the same, and had people just leave mid match because I'm removing the the trash faster than their trash removal characters, and then racking 50/60% damage on bosses and heavies.

Your use of the words "typical" and "meant" are completely spurious and specious. Since there are two infiltrators with AoE powers, your argument also appears completely fabricated, as BW's design team obviously feels otherwise.

Whether you choose to acknowledge it, infiltrators are far and away the strongest class in Mass Effect multiplayer. There isn't another class with the same spike damage potential outside of a biotic comboing a boss, which is an entirely situational occurrence. Meanwhile Inf's are doing the same damage regardless of enemy type or situation.

Try some objective deconstruction before applying opinions; it'll make your arguments much stronger.

Those people, and you obviously, are taking multiple aimed shots aka one target at a time, unless you are lining up collaterals. The AoE powers aren't boosted to the super high level that this weapons damage is being a SR, a weapon with an AoE boosted by the SR bonus should never have been implemented. Perhaps I am wrong, that the developers did decide that Infiltrators should have this super powerful AoE weapon. If they did decide that then they also knew the damage it would cause with with TC on and it was intended. 

I'm not sure why you're responding then if you're fine with it being intended. Apparently a lot of other players aren't. Regardless of how many people POST on the forums, a gigantic chunk of the playerbase READS them, and Infiltrators have ballooned in the last couple of weeks, in much the same way other classes balloon after Video Guy of the Week threads, and they manage to perform  better in kill ratio despite making colossal mistakes and very amateur things in gold during objectives. Notice the difference? Spike in kill ratio, wipes on objectives, particularly with geth waves. Not terribly hard to figure out what's going on. Most competent players noticed the strengths right away, and some have been complaining about the level of class strength since launch, whether it was INTENDED or not. That it's now in vogue isn't really germane. It's always been there.

Your assumptions about my playstyle are also incorrect.

I never assumed anything about your playstyle, I went by what you typed. I'm not "fine" with the way the krysae works with TC, I'm saying that it wasn't intended to be so powerful. However you said "
BW's design team obviously feels otherwise " in relation to my statement that Infiltrators were never meant to have a very powerful AOE so I said if I was wrong then they intended it, not that I was "ok" with it.  Of course a lot of people are using that set up, people flock to whatever is easiest. I don't see it as rampant as people say it is though, maybe 1 or 2 for 5 games played? Some people have complained about just about any and everything since launch too. Doesn't mean many others agree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, it's how it's stated that usually causes the most conflict. The OP is definitely not very eloquent and typically only starts flame wars. However I do agree with the general premise that the game didn't need a gun like this, but it would have been good if it had been released in a slightly different way.

[FoggyFishburne]

100RenegadePoints wrote...

I play on pc, gold, nobody uses this thing anyways, I guess because is it so boring... So just leave it as it is, players will get bored of it soon...

Yeah pretty much this. It's easy mode. It's so op that people are just bored of it. We're supposed to have fun in the mulitplayer and the Krysae just kills the game for everyone. So nobody uses it anymore. It's pretty interesting to see a community banding silently together and dismissing a weapon for being cheap. Pretty cool

[Funky_D_Luffy]

FoggyFishburne wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

I play on pc, gold, nobody uses this thing anyways, I guess because is it so boring... So just leave it as it is, players will get bored of it soon...

Yeah pretty much this. It's easy mode. It's so op that people are just bored of it. We're supposed to have fun in the mulitplayer and the Krysae just kills the game for everyone. So nobody uses it anymore. It's pretty interesting to see a community banding silently together and dismissing a weapon for being cheap. Pretty cool

Since when was it cool to be a bunch of butthurt crybabies? So it is somehow cool to ostracize other players because the weapon they use is... What? Boring?!

Seriously...? Boring? How in the world is that objective, in any way? It is boring. Boring?

And no... The crybabies are not silent, at all. They whine incessantly. Hence this thread, and the 11 or so pages of it. They cry so much, BW has already nerfed the gun, but that isn't enough. Because it is boring now, I guess.

So now it is cool to be all butthurt over a weapon that is actually not a total piece of crap for once. Imagine that! A weapon that doesn't totally suck, and some people actually have fun with it! Sounds like a good product, to me! But no... It is somehow ruining your game, because is is boring apparently, so the cool thing to do is ruin the game for anyone who actually thinks the thing is fun to use.

Brilliant. That is Alabama brilliant.

[Lucius Aelius]

The problem is that having one weapon be so much more powerful (and so ridiculously easy to use) that it leaves everything else looking pitiful in comparison will only result in the weapon being overused to the point of destroying any sense of variation there may have otherwise been. It was already hard enough finding a GI who wasn't using the GPS, throwing infiltrators yet another uber-weapon is overkill and will serve only to further reduce the variety of loadouts.

I for one am fine with fun weapons, but in their attempt to make a fun weapon that was also viable on gold, they went too far. If it had been truly viable as it is now on silver, and then relatively gimped on gold, even a gimped Krysae would be at least as good as most other rare weapons (which I for one would like to see more buffs than nerfs, it just happens sometimes that one thing becomes too dominant and needs to be taken down a notch, where bringing everything up to it's level would make the game to easy). Silver and more especially Bronze are for fun without much challenge.

Gold is for a challenge, something reduced too much by the combination of ease of use and destructive power found in the Krysae, hence why people complain about it. I for one think the Krysae is mostly fine as is now, apart from the cloaked double-shot glitch people have been doing (that definitely needs to go), certainly it's now about on a level with the GPS (which is definitely better than either weapon should be, but whatever).

In the end, there really are so many things about this game that are so much more broken than the Krysae or any other weapon, this thread is extraneous and our focus should be on getting Bioware to fix actual problems rather than mere annoyances.

[astheoceansblue]

Funky_D_Luffy wrote...

FoggyFishburne wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

I play on pc, gold, nobody uses this thing anywapys, I guess because is it so boring... So just leave it as it is, players will get bored of it soon...

Yeah pretty much this. It's easy mode. It's so op that people are just bored of it. We're supposed to have fun in the mulitplayer and the Krysae just kills the game for everyone. So nobody uses it anymore. It's pretty interesting to see a community banding silently together and dismissing a weapon for being cheap. Pretty cool

Since when was it cool to be a bunch of butthurt crybabies? So it is somehow cool to ostracize other players because the weapon they use is... What? Boring?!

Seriously...? Boring? How in the world is that objective, in any way? It is boring. Boring?

And no... The crybabies are not silent, at all. They whine incessantly. Hence this thread, and the 11 or so pages of it. They cry so much, BW has already nerfed the gun, but that isn't enough. Because it is boring now, I guess.

So now it is cool to be all butthurt over a weapon that is actually not a total piece of crap for once. Imagine that! A weapon that doesn't totally suck, and some people actually have fun with it! Sounds like a good product, to me! But no... It is somehow ruining your game, because is is boring apparently, so the cool thing to do is ruin the game for anyone who actually thinks the thing is fun to use.

Brilliant. That is Alabama brilliant.

Calm down...

Both the users you quoted simple stated they find the weapon too boring. They said they were glad they rarely saw it being used, and that they thought it was cool the community seemed to share the idea.

Nothing about ruining anyone's game.

Stop putting words into everyone's posts that were never there.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 16 juin 2012 - 11:04 .

[Rokayt]

The Krysae could use a heavy nerf, yes. The only thing that is enjoyable about playing alongside a Krysae user is to use them as a meter of how effective you are in light of godly powers.

[D.Shepard]

Rokayt wrote...

The Krysae could use a heavy nerf, yes. The only thing that is enjoyable about playing alongside a Krysae user is to use them as a meter of how effective you are in light of godly powers.

You like hyperboles, don't you?
Have you ever tried to counter a three phantoms assault on Gold with it?
It may have an AoE damage, it may even briefly stagger them but you won't be able to kill them before they can harm you.
Other weapons are supremely qualified in dealing with the three phantoms assault, but that's another story

[Rokayt]

D.Shepard wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

The Krysae could use a heavy nerf, yes. The only thing that is enjoyable about playing alongside a Krysae user is to use them as a meter of how effective you are in light of godly powers.

You like hyperboles, don't you?
Have you ever tried to counter a three phantoms assault on Gold with it?
It may have an AoE damage, it may even briefly stagger them but you won't be able to kill them before they can harm you.
Other weapons are supremely qualified in dealing with the three phantoms assault, but that's another story

I love hyperbole and crypic speech. The best way to be rude is to by crpyic as hell.

Also, 3 phantom assaults are kinda nighmarish as hell regardless non-falcon gun use. Just sayin.

[D.Shepard]

Rokayt wrote...

D.Shepard wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

The Krysae could use a heavy nerf, yes. The only thing that is enjoyable about playing alongside a Krysae user is to use them as a meter of how effective you are in light of godly powers.

You like hyperboles, don't you?
Have you ever tried to counter a three phantoms assault on Gold with it?
It may have an AoE damage, it may even briefly stagger them but you won't be able to kill them before they can harm you.
Other weapons are supremely qualified in dealing with the three phantoms assault, but that's another story

I love hyperbole and crypic speech. The best way to be rude is to by crpyic as hell.

Also, 3 phantom assaults are kinda nighmarish as hell regardless non-falcon gun use. Just sayin.

You may recognize "godly powers" it's a little excessive for the Krysae... no offence intended
GPS perfoms better against the three phantoms assault, well at least it performs nicely for me.
Faster then Krysae, even if you charge/partially charge the weapon. Two/three shots kill a phantom (depending on class, equipment and ammo). The faster rate of fire means you can focus on the un-staggered phantom before the staggered one becomes a great threat.
It's kinda nightmarish, I agree, but with Krysae it's more nightmarish then it is with other weapons.

[Morgax_Warrior]

Krysae bla bla overpowered due tac. cloak evolution 6...
N.O.
Go ahead and try it on human soldier with adrenaline rush specced for damage, and be amazed still insane damage.
Terrible weapon that deserves to be thrown out of airlock
If you still think it's not overpowered try not to use it on biotic/tech classes for Shepard's sake.

Modifié par Morgax_Warrior, 16 juin 2012 - 10:05 .

[D.Shepard]

Morgax_Warrior wrote...

Krysae bla bla overpowered due tac. cloak evolution 6...
N.O.
Go ahead and try it on human soldier with adrenaline rush specced for damage, and be amazed still insane damage.
Terrible weapon that deserves to be thrown out of airlock
If you still think it's not overpowered try not to use it on biotic/tech classes for Shepard's sake.

Oh yes the Sniper rifle with the lowest DPS....It's very fun to see enemies exploding, though
Anyway no one ever mentioned the true advantage of Krysae: it makes corpses unvailable to cannibles.

[78stonewobble]

Rifneno wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

I just unlocked it today and it does seem ridiculous on bronze.

Haven't tried it one the other difficulties yet.

Still think I'll prefer the black widow though I can't lvl it (or the valiant) .

Woah!  Hold the phones!  A rare weapon is powerful on bronze?!

Haha yeah... Well pretty much all you have to do is aim in the general direction of the enemy to get a kill. Close-range, medium range and long range and if you miss with the first shot you have 2 more.

The concept of proximity/timed explosive rounds is intriguing but this is ... well meh imho.

[Bolo Xia]

most of the time i outscore a krysae user anyways, so i dont get why most of you think its OP.

ya ive used it too, but i still dont see why alot of people think its ' the end all kill all gun ' .

[D.Shepard]

Bolo Xia wrote...

most of the time i outscore a krysae user anyways, so i dont get why most of you think its OP.

ya ive used it too, but i still dont see why alot of people think its ' the end all kill all gun ' .

Exactly my point... spread across many topics

[Strict31]

 No.

The Krysae is great for suppressing or outright exploding groups of Phantoms. I'm in favor of just about anything that increases the amount of damage you can to to the largest amount of enemies in the shortest amount of time. Especially on Gold.

Maybe part of the problem comes in because the damn thing is designated as a Sniper Rifle. BW's ideas of Sniper Rifles seem kinda f*cktrded in a lot of instances. You got rapid fire sniper rifles; sniper rifles that are full auto; sniper rifles that are actually harpoon guns...

A lot of these things just do not fit into the sniper rifle class of weapons. And it's stupid and pointless to try to make them fit.

The Krysae should probably not be a damn sniper rifle. That scope on the thing should probably be slapped on a rifle that actually fits the name.

The Krysae has a role and a place in the game. Perhaps as a different class of firearm, but a place nonetheless.

[ericjdev]

The forums would be better without people crying about the Krysae, newsflash: they already nerfed it. I outscore Krysae infils with Valiant infils every day, if you don't like it, don't use it.

[samb]

 This game would be better if it didn't have multiplayer. Then I would not have to read this drivel everytime a decent class, weapon or gear hits. 

No, wait I enjoy multiplayer, this game would be better if we didn't have people like the OP. I can only thank God that he doesn't play Xbox and I don't have to worry about running into him. 

[lazuli]

Once I realized that experience is completely shared, I stopped caring about whose score is on top. I still check every now and then to get a basic feel for how I compare, but I don't find myself wishing for nerfs. I can't snipe worth a damn, so those that can are welcome to it.

[nicethugbert]

Rokayt wrote...

The Krysae could use a heavy nerf, yes. The only thing that is enjoyable about playing alongside a Krysae user is to use them as a meter of how effective you are in light of godly powers.

I could say the same about Tactical Cloak.

[astheoceansblue]

The people quoting score have no idea. This isn't about score, it's about game pace and flow and general team balance.

It's not always a problem, and there enough ways to set the game up to suit your preferences, but it can cause disruption and people don't enjoy that which is perfectly legit.

Once more: nothing to do with score.

[joker_jack]

I'm glad finally there is something else besides the bw and valiant. Seems like every infiltraitor had to use those rifles or nothing at all prior to the krysae. Everyone I ever seen with the indra would get kicked in heartbeat on gold (The indra thankfully is seeing some play on gold). The krysae gave another option. Judging from the straw man arguments about the krysae, one can surmise there are more than just concerns about game balance with our elitist crowd afoot.

[sirus1988]

I never use that gun anymore. Played it for two games then decided to use carbine...I'm in love with that gun.

[justinblac]

The Krysae can be fun and is great if you want to run a quick gold match not on FBWGG. If you don't like the weapon don't use it or play with people that use it. Just don't try to take it away from people who like it just because you don't.

[xtorma]

Funky_D_Luffy wrote...

FoggyFishburne wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

I play on pc, gold, nobody uses this thing anyways, I guess because is it so boring... So just leave it as it is, players will get bored of it soon...

Yeah pretty much this. It's easy mode. It's so op that people are just bored of it. We're supposed to have fun in the mulitplayer and the Krysae just kills the game for everyone. So nobody uses it anymore. It's pretty interesting to see a community banding silently together and dismissing a weapon for being cheap. Pretty cool

Since when was it cool to be a bunch of butthurt crybabies? So it is somehow cool to ostracize other players because the weapon they use is... What? Boring?!

Seriously...? Boring? How in the world is that objective, in any way? It is boring. Boring?

And no... The crybabies are not silent, at all. They whine incessantly. Hence this thread, and the 11 or so pages of it. They cry so much, BW has already nerfed the gun, but that isn't enough. Because it is boring now, I guess.

So now it is cool to be all butthurt over a weapon that is actually not a total piece of crap for once. Imagine that! A weapon that doesn't totally suck, and some people actually have fun with it! Sounds like a good product, to me! But no... It is somehow ruining your game, because is is boring apparently, so the cool thing to do is ruin the game for anyone who actually thinks the thing is fun to use.

Brilliant. That is Alabama brilliant.

Brilliant. That is Alabama brilliant.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

[astheoceansblue]

Nope, Joker, the problem is the weapon broke the game on a Gi. If a player was good enough, they could decimate an entire server before anyone else could get a shot off. I've done it to others, I've had others do it to me.

It doesn't happen often enough to be a major concern, but some of us would rather just avoid it all together if we can.

I have a limited amount of time to play, I'd rather my games were tuned to my preference as much as they can be. Luckily enough, there are enough if us playing for this to work out for us all.

Ie: it really is a non ssue.