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In my experience it wouldn't make any difference if they removed it or not. I play on Xbox, and I rarely ever see people using the Krysae, especially after the nerf. The people who did, almost never topped the leaderboards (although I know it's definitely possible too with it pre-nerf). If I were to join a lobby full of krysae infiltrators I would press B and spend all of 30 seconds finding a new game. Problem solved.


Who do you play with? I'm on XBox and there are at least two people every game. (Granted, I'm occasionally one of them....)


I either play with randoms or with a friend of mine and two randoms, and usually on Gold. I saw the gun popping up a bit more frequently just after it came out, but even then it wasn't all that often.  Maybe I just had different luck with regards to the matchmaking gods.

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astheoceansblue wrote...

The people quoting score have no idea. This isn't about score, it's about game pace and flow and general team balance.

It's not always a problem, and there enough ways to set the game up to suit your preferences, but it can cause disruption and people don't enjoy that which is perfectly legit.

Once more: nothing to do with score.


Lots of things can cause disruption. Like that AA I watched throwing Stasis at Atlases last night on Gold.

Or that time when I got dragged across the screen bu a banshee's space-lovin' because BW increased the range at which this can occur.

Or that time this Phantom should have gotten her ass thrown entirely off the map with Lash, but didn't because her special rocket powers kicked in to automatically keep exactly that sort of thing from being a thing.

Or that time I hid around a corner and activated Cloak to activate a node Objective, and a Banshee walked around the corner and OHK'd my invisible ass because of some game mechanic that says invisibility doesn't dump aggro when you're the only guy left alive.

And that's not even counting all those "or that times" that were caused by glitches or lag time errors.

When I use a Krysae, I've never once encountered anyone who felt that me killing those two Phantoms in the rpocess of chopping him up constituted a disruption. When someone else takes out the Krysae on a run, I've never felt a sense of imbalance when three Phantoms who were about to give me an impromptu karate-fighting lesson suddenly turn into three large buckets of raspberry jam.

I'm sorry, but I find myself unmoved by arguments that focus on disruption of game play and game balance, because I'm the type of guy who is happy when the team kills all the things in the most efficient manner possible.

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Xbox gamer here: Its not that common for people to use the Krysae. I still see plenty of people use the Black Widow and even more so the N7 Valiant.

Also, by your logic OP we should just delete the Geth Plasma Shotgun?

Look, there are powerful weapons and crappy weapons in every video game, I don't see why we should delete a gun just because its so accessible for others.

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It would be better if it delivered a pizza to you every time you made high score.

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Strict31 wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

The people quoting score have no idea. This isn't about score, it's about game pace and flow and general team balance.

It's not always a problem, and there enough ways to set the game up to suit your preferences, but it can cause disruption and people don't enjoy that which is perfectly legit.

Once more: nothing to do with score.


Lots of things can cause disruption. Like that AA I watched throwing Stasis at Atlases last night on Gold.

Or that time when I got dragged across the screen bu a banshee's space-lovin' because BW increased the range at which this can occur.

Or that time this Phantom should have gotten her ass thrown entirely off the map with Lash, but didn't because her special rocket powers kicked in to automatically keep exactly that sort of thing from being a thing.

Or that time I hid around a corner and activated Cloak to activate a node Objective, and a Banshee walked around the corner and OHK'd my invisible ass because of some game mechanic that says invisibility doesn't dump aggro when you're the only guy left alive.

And that's not even counting all those "or that times" that were caused by glitches or lag time errors.

When I use a Krysae, I've never once encountered anyone who felt that me killing those two Phantoms in the rpocess of chopping him up constituted a disruption. When someone else takes out the Krysae on a run, I've never felt a sense of imbalance when three Phantoms who were about to give me an impromptu karate-fighting lesson suddenly turn into three large buckets of raspberry jam.

I'm sorry, but I find myself unmoved by arguments that focus on disruption of game play and game balance, because I'm the type of guy who is happy when the team kills all the things in the most efficient manner possible.


Big, big difference between a Gi and Krysae destroying clusters of mobs before anyone can get a shot off and the team killing stuff efficiently together.

Again, easy to avoid, so I avoid it.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 17 juin 2012 - 12:21 .


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Who cares if unskilled players use a crutch... it's co-op. Leave when you see a krysae infiltrator and get on with life.

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Strict31 wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

The people quoting score have no idea. This isn't about score, it's about game pace and flow and general team balance.

It's not always a problem, and there enough ways to set the game up to suit your preferences, but it can cause disruption and people don't enjoy that which is perfectly legit.

Once more: nothing to do with score.


Lots of things can cause disruption. Like that AA I watched throwing Stasis at Atlases last night on Gold.

Or that time when I got dragged across the screen bu a banshee's space-lovin' because BW increased the range at which this can occur.

Or that time this Phantom should have gotten her ass thrown entirely off the map with Lash, but didn't because her special rocket powers kicked in to automatically keep exactly that sort of thing from being a thing.

Or that time I hid around a corner and activated Cloak to activate a node Objective, and a Banshee walked around the corner and OHK'd my invisible ass because of some game mechanic that says invisibility doesn't dump aggro when you're the only guy left alive.

And that's not even counting all those "or that times" that were caused by glitches or lag time errors.

When I use a Krysae, I've never once encountered anyone who felt that me killing those two Phantoms in the rpocess of chopping him up constituted a disruption. When someone else takes out the Krysae on a run, I've never felt a sense of imbalance when three Phantoms who were about to give me an impromptu karate-fighting lesson suddenly turn into three large buckets of raspberry jam.

I'm sorry, but I find myself unmoved by arguments that focus on disruption of game play and game balance, because I'm the type of guy who is happy when the team kills all the things in the most efficient manner possible.


I agree with you wholeheartedly, as do many players on my friends list.  If players really want to throw effeciency out the door in favor of their "prefrences" then they can just go play private matches like the elitists do.

xtorma wrote...

It would be better if it delivered a pizza to you every time you made high score.


I would be like +500lbs in a week.  Who'd really turn down pizza?  Especially Meat Lovers.......and now I'm hungry.

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What game are we playing?  "Who's more of a condecending 5-yr old"?  The things I'd say if not for the zero-tolorance policy (Imagine Duelistgroundz)...

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Mantis X is better

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Misaka, again, HUGE difference between 'efficiency' and 'too easy'.

Some of us enjoy the process of playing the game, not just chasing credits.

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I'm sorry, but I find myself unmoved by arguments that focus on disruption of game play and game balance, because I'm the type of guy who is happy when the team kills all the things in the most efficient manner possible.


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I so agree with you. Why anyone would join a game with 4 people and complain they are not dying enough I don't know. Or why someone would choose a higher score trading for a losing game I don't know. I CAN see wanting to have fun, but it isn't the fault of a weapon, it is just the situation not matching skills. Better wave scenarios are about the only way to do that unless everyone plays the same character.

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I actually smiled when I saw that, it's funny.
People who are good with snipers almost never use the krysae that I've seen, they typically use the widow/blackwidow/valiant in gold.

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Soo, just gonna quickly voice my opinion.
Usualy the point of any character build is to make it as powerfull and all- around efficient as possible.
And from this point of view, it's total bull**** to equip any sniper beside the krysae.(on a infiltrator)
And for all those saying they can outscore a krysae using sniper... well the only reason is that the person using the sniper dosen't know how to use it. I have never been outscored while using it -..-, if you don't belive me feel free to play with me.

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Pyro666999 wrote...

Soo, just gonna quickly voice my opinion.
Usualy the point of any character build is to make it as powerfull and all- around efficient as possible.
And from this point of view, it's total bull**** to equip any sniper beside the krysae.(on a infiltrator)
And for all those saying they can outscore a krysae using sniper... well the only reason is that the person using the sniper dosen't know how to use it. I have never been outscored while using it -..-, if you don't belive me feel free to play with me.


You are right about the goal. And in a lot of cases the krysae is the way to go. However, if you want the armor penetration and shooting through walls and cover, the widow/black widow is the way to go. Having a male quarian tactical scan changes the game. I support people using the krysae and not nerfing it, but I also refute the claim that the krysae is the best weapon on all infiltrators. Furthermore, the widow and black widow take down heavy armor faster, e.g., the atlas and geth prime. I understand the love of a better mouse trap, or in this case sniper rifle. But it all depends.

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Malditor wrote...

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I actually smiled when I saw that, it's funny.
People who are good with snipers almost never use the krysae that I've seen, they typically use the widow/blackwidow/valiant in gold.


I out classed a pair of infiltrators using them with a soldier using a saber 3.

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ol MISAKA lo wrote...

What game are we playing?  "Who's more of a condecending 5-yr old"?  The things I'd say if not for the zero-tolorance policy (Imagine Duelistgroundz)...


The Krysae is for those who lack the skill to aim properly for the head of targets.

INB4 The "none of the hard enemies have headshot damage now" argument. Boo hoo.

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It IS Lupus wrote...

ol MISAKA lo wrote...

What game are we playing?  "Who's more of a condecending 5-yr old"?  The things I'd say if not for the zero-tolorance policy (Imagine Duelistgroundz)...


The Krysae is for those who lack the skill to aim properly for the head of targets.

INB4 The "none of the hard enemies have headshot damage now" argument. Boo hoo.


somebodys lookin for a fight today

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It IS Lupus wrote...

ol MISAKA lo wrote...

What game are we playing?  "Who's more of a condecending 5-yr old"?  The things I'd say if not for the zero-tolorance policy (Imagine Duelistgroundz)...


The Krysae is for those who lack the skill to aim properly for the head of targets.

INB4 The "none of the hard enemies have headshot damage now" argument. Boo hoo.


I don't use the krysae, but really it is the right tool for some jobs. Saying it is for people who lack the skill is for someone that sees tactics but hasn't a clue about strategy. Some people think the goal is to have the biggest score, others think it is to win the war and not just the battle. Some of us have allies, others have individuals nearby that play the role of the next enemy because they are short-sighted. I sure don't mind seeing the phantom next to me splatter.

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I agree. It's unnecessary and people managed to get by without it. I unlocked it yesterday and only used it once because it seemed so ridiculous. A rocket-sniper rifle with high splash damage. I scored too high with it at level 1.

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The game was fine without it, and it was better without it.  The way to end the Inflitrator/Krysae nerf insanity is to remove the weapon that is causing the problem in the first place - the Kruhshay sniper cannon rifle long-range proximity mine missle.

Sniper rifle was already the most powerful weapon class without it.  It's simply overkill to have this in the game.  It's a totally unnecessary weapon.  If it was taken out, the unskilled players who rely on it would cry for a couple of days, and then they'd get over it.  And the nerf talk would disappear.  And the game would be brought closer back into balance.

It would be good for everyone and for the long-term playability of this game.

In short: Don't nerf it; DELETE it.

You know, maybe there might be someone that doesn't like you in real life, but he does't write letters to Santa Claus asking to delete you from Earth.
Asking to delete something that other likes is really narrow minded.
The game is fun anyway, it's just that you're maybe too annoyed about your kill counts than team playing.
I suggest you get back on COD.

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astheoceansblue wrote...

Strict31 wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

The people quoting score have no idea. This isn't about score, it's about game pace and flow and general team balance.

It's not always a problem, and there enough ways to set the game up to suit your preferences, but it can cause disruption and people don't enjoy that which is perfectly legit.

Once more: nothing to do with score.


Lots of things can cause disruption. Like that AA I watched throwing Stasis at Atlases last night on Gold.

Or that time when I got dragged across the screen bu a banshee's space-lovin' because BW increased the range at which this can occur.

Or that time this Phantom should have gotten her ass thrown entirely off the map with Lash, but didn't because her special rocket powers kicked in to automatically keep exactly that sort of thing from being a thing.

Or that time I hid around a corner and activated Cloak to activate a node Objective, and a Banshee walked around the corner and OHK'd my invisible ass because of some game mechanic that says invisibility doesn't dump aggro when you're the only guy left alive.

And that's not even counting all those "or that times" that were caused by glitches or lag time errors.

When I use a Krysae, I've never once encountered anyone who felt that me killing those two Phantoms in the rpocess of chopping him up constituted a disruption. When someone else takes out the Krysae on a run, I've never felt a sense of imbalance when three Phantoms who were about to give me an impromptu karate-fighting lesson suddenly turn into three large buckets of raspberry jam.

I'm sorry, but I find myself unmoved by arguments that focus on disruption of game play and game balance, because I'm the type of guy who is happy when the team kills all the things in the most efficient manner possible.


Big, big difference between a Gi and Krysae destroying clusters of mobs before anyone can get a shot off and the team killing stuff efficiently together.

Again, easy to avoid, so I avoid it.


It is easy enough to avoid, I suppose. But I've never been in a Gold match where enemies have ever been in so short a supply that the guy with the Krysae was killing all the guys. Maybe you have, but I've never seen it happen. I've seen Gold matches go a lot more smoothly when one guy is toting a Krysae...especially against Phantoms...but I've never seen that guy with the Krysae completely eliminate everything, leaving nothing for anyone else to kill.

Again, our experiences must vary significantly.

I'm not a great player on Gold. Not a great sniper on Gold. There are some classes I do very well with, but Infiltrator ain't one of them. When playing a Krysfiltator, I have not really noticed my performance being notably better.

Maybe this is because I tend to look for specific kills with the weapon instead of looking for all the kills. I try to focus on Phantoms. Marauders. Ravagers. Pyros. I try to hit those guys before they can get into position to flank the team or slip right into their midst because the rest of the team is busy killing other sh*t. Or busy with objectives. I try to keep Nemeses from setting up sniping positions, or to flush them out of cover. I try to hit Hunters when they are still on the other side of the map. I try to lock down certain spawn points so we can funnel enemies along channels that are more advantageous for us.

When I hit these goals, the team seems to have a much easier time, no matter how well I rank on the scoreboard.

But I've also seen randoms roll in with an Infiltrator and a Krysae, expecting that when they aim it at God, God will duck. They think the weapon will do all the work for them, probably because of all the statements to that effect on the board. Maybe one or two of them have done well with it, but for the most part, they tend to be mediocre. And they don't tend to add anything that the team needs.

Maybe because of the airburst, the Krysae is easier to use effectively than other weapons. I personally find that pistols like the Paladin, Carnifex and Talon are way easier to use effectively than just about any other pistol in the game. So much so that I rarely stray from from them. The paladin can do in three shots what it will take the Eagle an entire magazine to do. And for me, that's just at lvl V. I can't imagine what a beast it will be at lvl X. But I'm damn sure gonna be happy to find out. If I ever get my Talon up to lvl X, I am not gonna complain one bit that it's a shotgun that is a pistol that has long range accuracy and heavy damage.

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.458 wrote...

Pyro666999 wrote...

Soo, just gonna quickly voice my opinion.
Usualy the point of any character build is to make it as powerfull and all- around efficient as possible.
And from this point of view, it's total bull**** to equip any sniper beside the krysae.(on a infiltrator)
And for all those saying they can outscore a krysae using sniper... well the only reason is that the person using the sniper dosen't know how to use it. I have never been outscored while using it -..-, if you don't belive me feel free to play with me.


You are right about the goal. And in a lot of cases the krysae is the way to go. However, if you want the armor penetration and shooting through walls and cover, the widow/black widow is the way to go. Having a male quarian tactical scan changes the game. I support people using the krysae and not nerfing it, but I also refute the claim that the krysae is the best weapon on all infiltrators. Furthermore, the widow and black widow take down heavy armor faster, e.g., the atlas and geth prime. I understand the love of a better mouse trap, or in this case sniper rifle. But it all depends.


Right tool for the job. You're absolutely correct.

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I personally don't use the krysae for one reason. it encourages me to not aim. so after I've been using it for a while, i switch to my pistol, and I feel like someone who's never played before, I have to get back into actually aiming aiming at enemies.

That and the krysae just isn't damaging enough for me. To compare it to a prox mine is ridiculous, the prox mine is far better.

I don't understand why you care if other people use the gun though. If they're having fun with it, what's the problem? It doesn't adversely affect you you in any way,

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The Krysae is for those who lack the skill to aim properly for the head of targets.

INB4 The "none of the hard enemies have headshot damage now" argument. Boo hoo.


By the same logic, the Reegar is for people who like shotguns but cant aim?
The Krogan/Batarian is for people who like playing the game, but dont know how to use cover?
The Revenant is for people who like shooting things, but arent very accurate?


Honestly, the people who say things like this, and the other comment about how 'Good snipers dont use it anyway, they use widow/blackwidow/valiant' are so very full of crap.

Im a good sniper, my friends are good snipers. We've all used the Krysae. Why? Because it has proximity detonations? Nope. Because it doesnt need to be headshotted? Nope. Because it turns the enemies into hilarious balloons of gib? Hell yes.

People who "Dont use a weapon because its for noobs" are missing the point of the playing a game. Fun. The point is fun. Are you having fun? Yes. Excellent, then keep having fun.
Should you stop having fun because another player who has designated themselves a pro, thinks you're a noob for having fun? No. Not even a little bit. Forget that guy, he's forgotten or willfully ignored what gaming is about in favour of being a 'pro'.

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Elijini wrote...

It IS Lupus wrote...


The Krysae is for those who lack the skill to aim properly for the head of targets.

INB4 The "none of the hard enemies have headshot damage now" argument. Boo hoo.


By the same logic, the Reegar is for people who like shotguns but cant aim?
The Krogan/Batarian is for people who like playing the game, but dont know how to use cover?
The Revenant is for people who like shooting things, but arent very accurate?


Honestly, the people who say things like this, and the other comment about how 'Good snipers dont use it anyway, they use widow/blackwidow/valiant' are so very full of crap.

Im a good sniper, my friends are good snipers. We've all used the Krysae. Why? Because it has proximity detonations? Nope. Because it doesnt need to be headshotted? Nope. Because it turns the enemies into hilarious balloons of gib? Hell yes.

People who "Dont use a weapon because its for noobs" are missing the point of the playing a game. Fun. The point is fun. Are you having fun? Yes. Excellent, then keep having fun.
Should you stop having fun because another player who has designated themselves a pro, thinks you're a noob for having fun? No. Not even a little bit. Forget that guy, he's forgotten or willfully ignored what gaming is about in favour of being a 'pro'.


It's nice to see that there are other people with this attitude. Completely agree