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[Pitznik]

Steelgrave wrote...


I'm not trrying to ruin HIS game.  But he's trying to ruin MY game.  He's trying to take something away from me (stealing is bad), I'm not trying to take anything away from him. Like I said, it's ok for him to have an opinion as long as that opinion doesn't interfere with others.

Your game is his game. Your gun is ruining his fun. It is ok for him to ask to have his fun back. Every opinion that doesn't break forum rules is ok. If you have no reason to report some post, it means it is ok. Even if you absolutely do not agree with it.

[MWaHa]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

echo2zero wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

MWaHa wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

MWaHa wrote...

Ad hominin fallacy is fallacious...

>Implying
his lack of understanding of the classes, blatantly ignorant posts, and
comments made by other players who have played with him are irrelevant
to my argument that he is a noob

lol, people who throw around "ad hominem", but don't know what it really means.

All
of these arguments about who's a noob and who isn't are irrelevant to
whether the game is better with or without the Krysae. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

It's
hilarious, because yesterday he attempted to define the term "ad
hominem" and got it completely wrong.  And I'm not the definition police
by any means and wouldn't care normally, but he's STILL trying to
pretend like he's the only one who knows what it means, while everyone
ELSE is wrong.

Anyway, regarding the Krysae, I really don't want
to spoil peoples' fun.  I do think that many Krysae infiltrators are
oblivious to how their play can ruin the gaming experience of their
teammates though.

Does it really mess people up that bad...?

I've played with (360) maybe a dozen matches with Infiltrators using it and their scores have been mediocre. On silver or bronze there really isn't a point to it. Seriously destroys the fun.  How do you feel about someone using that combo on Gold? Is it messing the game up for people?

From what people have said, it doesn't seem to be as big an issue on Gold.  I play mostly Silver these days, and occassional Bronze, and a Gold game here and there but not much, so those are the levels shaping my perspective.

I personally think that rare and UR weapons should be toned down a little on the lower levels.  Maybe not on Silver, but definitely on Bronze.

I played a few matches with it on Gold with my GI last night and I was far, far ahead of everyone else. I'm a decent-but-not-great player. I've also been pretty hamstrung when the krysae infiltrator was someone else. I don't mind if my game disrupts other players when i have my valliant or a jav... they need to suck it up and get better. But I really do feel like I'm disrupting other people's games with my Krysae. there's always at least one, and often two, people who leave the lobby every time after I use my krysae to clean up, I'm sure it's because it wasn't very fun to play with me.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Steelgrave wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Steelgrave wrote...

Your entire post is just your personal opinions.  It's fine for you to have an opinion as long as it doesn't mess with MY game. But unfortunately your opinion means messing with MY game & that's not cool. 

If you think a blue Quarian looks better than a red one that's fine. But when you start talking about taking my guns away & altering my game then we have a problem. 

It is a co-op game, that means one person is partially dependant on other people's actions and choices. So your game is his game too - this can be avoided through careful private lobbying, which is PITA for some. Luckily, it is not up to him, or up to you to decide, but up to Bioware. Bioware can not do it or do it, based, between many other things, on opinions like his. So he has full right to voice his opinion, even if it is about YOUR guns, and you have the same right to voice your opinion. But all sorts of "stop posting" posts are completely worthless - you're trying to forbid someone doing something well within his rights.

I'm not trrying to ruin HIS game.  But he's trying to ruin MY game.  He's trying to take something away from me (stealing is bad), I'm not trying to take anything away from him. Like I said, it's ok for him to have an opinion as long as that opinion doesn't interfere with others.

Can you try to understand for a second that some people feel that's exactly what introducing the Krysae did - take away from their game?  It goes both ways, you know.  I'm not trying to RUIN your game.  Was the game awful and unplayable before the Krysae existed?

[E71]

YuenglingDragon wrote...

The boards were better off without the nerf chorus singing incessantly.

It's not that bloody powerful. It is, however, awesomely fun. Maybe just relax a little?

I hear ya.

I prefer the nerfers being DELETED instead of the weapons.

[Pitznik]

NubXL wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

NubXL wrote...

If only the multiplayer wasn't competitive, causing people to constantly obsess and cry about what everyone else is doing. BioWare should have made ME3's multiplayer co-op instead, so any individual boost would be a bonus for the whole team.

...oh wait, they did.

Too passive-aggressive to be worthy of consideration.  Trying writing what you really feel.

Did I leave something out? Was I supposed to throw a tantrum so you'd relate and understand what I was saying? You're whining about something that has zero impact on your game. Scores are combined for the whole team, so individual scores are meaningless in the grand scheme of things. The only thing being damaged by this gun and its users is your fragile ego because apparently people are killing more pixels than you and it hurts you deeply. I'd say this is more of a personal problem than anything relating to Mass Effect 3.

Balance IS important in co-op game. Please read this post and the next: Eric Fagnan on nerfing

Modifié par Pitznik, 15 juin 2012 - 08:29 .

[Shadow Shep]

In my experience it wouldn't make any difference if they removed it or not. I play on Xbox, and I rarely ever see people using the Krysae, especially after the nerf. The people who did, almost never topped the leaderboards (although I know it's definitely possible too with it pre-nerf). If I were to join a lobby full of krysae infiltrators I would press B and spend all of 30 seconds finding a new game. Problem solved.

[megabeast37215]

I hate the Krysae, I hate people on my team using it... and I hate using it.

The other day I was ASKED to use it for a particular team to execute a particular strategy. So I went SI with a Krysae and camped the high ground vs Cerberus. When cloaked I one shotted everything without a shield, two shotted everything with a shield, including Phantoms. Normally... I would say this is a great thing, but it was the way in which I was able to do it.

Gone was trying to mailslot a Guardian... all I have to do is shoot ANYWHERE to the left or right of him, and it detonates past his shield for an easy 1HK.

Gone was playing the waiting game with the Nemesis, or chasing them around corners... now I just shoot the floor next to the corner for an easy 2HK.

Gone was playing duck and dodge with Phantoms at close quarters or trying to wait for them to land out of their little flip for the perfect headshot, I just aimed at their feet for an easy 2-3HK.

Atlases... HA. I laugh. Nothing more than a giant moving fencepost for me to explode on and kill mooks surrounding it, while I kill it.

It was all so easy, boring, talentless, disgustingly OP and downright sad. It's a freakin' semi-auto, air burst noob tube with an ACOG scope. It's the XM-25 from MW3.

I'm with the OP... delete it. If not... at the very least... make it an assault rifle. Take away the +40% sniper bonus from tac cloak by simply doing this.. it really fixes everything.

[WARMACHINE9]

Sigh Its ANOTHER one of these posts. It makes me sad. Don't like it don't play or create your own lPrivate lobbies with your friends(you do have friends right?).

[MWaHa]

DJCubed wrote...

In my experience it wouldn't make any difference if they removed it or not. I play on Xbox, and I rarely ever see people using the Krysae, especially after the nerf. The people who did, almost never topped the leaderboards (although I know it's definitely possible too with it pre-nerf). If I were to join a lobby full of krysae infiltrators I would press B and spend all of 30 seconds finding a new game. Problem solved.

Who do you play with? I'm on XBox and there are at least two people every game. (Granted, I'm occasionally one of them....)

[CmnDwnWrkn]

@MWaHa

I think a big part of the problem is that they made it a Rare weapon, which made it too accessible given its power. It would be like if they made the Black Widow or the Valiant just a Rare weapon earlier.

Right now, I have a Hurricane III, and can't even imagine how ridiculous it would be at X. Which is why I think making a weapon like that just Rare would be a big mistake.

[uzivatel]

Have not seen much of Krysae (or Reegar for that matter) in the past few days. I guess the flood of N7 weapons is to blame.

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

If it was taken out, the unskilled players who rely on it would cry for a couple of days, and then they'd get over it.

Why dont YOU cry for a couple of days and then get over Krysae staying?

[MWaHa]

megabeast37215 wrote...

I hate the Krysae, I hate people on my team using it... and I hate using it.

The other day I was ASKED to use it for a particular team to execute a particular strategy. So I went SI with a Krysae and camped the high ground vs Cerberus. When cloaked I one shotted everything without a shield, two shotted everything with a shield, including Phantoms. Normally... I would say this is a great thing, but it was the way in which I was able to do it.

Gone was trying to mailslot a Guardian... all I have to do is shoot ANYWHERE to the left or right of him, and it detonates past his shield for an easy 1HK.

Gone was playing the waiting game with the Nemesis, or chasing them around corners... now I just shoot the floor next to the corner for an easy 2HK.

Gone was playing duck and dodge with Phantoms at close quarters or trying to wait for them to land out of their little flip for the perfect headshot, I just aimed at their feet for an easy 2-3HK.

Atlases... HA. I laugh. Nothing more than a giant moving fencepost for me to explode on and kill mooks surrounding it, while I kill it.

It was all so easy, boring, talentless, disgustingly OP and downright sad. It's a freakin' semi-auto, air burst noob tube with an ACOG scope. It's the XM-25 from MW3.

I'm with the OP... delete it. If not... at the very least... make it an assault rifle. Take away the +40% sniper bonus from tac cloak by simply doing this.. it really fixes everything.

This.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

To the people complaining about the nature of this thread - did the title not effectively tell you what the discussion was going to be about? I thought I made it pretty clear. If you don't like this type of thread, you don't HAVE to click on it, you know. And you certainly don't have to post in it.

[llandwynwyn]

My QMI uses it and I won't stop just because think it's op. To me it's fun for now.

Bioware can nerf it again, if they want to, but (if it gets useless) it would just make me play with the Talon, like I do with the QFI.

Modifié par llandwynwyn, 15 juin 2012 - 08:37 .

[zeal.assassin]

I use the Krysae last night and hated it.
Funny b/c I got X upgrade last night too.

Lets stop worrying about how others play and move on.

[darkblade]

It was all so easy, boring, talentless, disgustingly OP and downright sad. It's a freakin' semi-auto, air burst noob tube with an ACOG scope. It's the XM-25 from MW3.

lol you serious?

Xm-25 has the highest learning curve in the game. No one uses it because its hard to use and impractical.

[MWaHa]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

@MWaHa

I think a big part of the problem is that they made it a Rare weapon, which made it too accessible given its power. It would be like if they made the Black Widow or the Valiant just a Rare weapon earlier.

Right now, I have a Hurricane III, and can't even imagine how ridiculous it would be at X. Which is why I think making a weapon like that just Rare would be a big mistake.

I think this could be right. But even if it were Ultra rare, it would still be OP. =/

[.458]

Just curious, can PC and XBox and PS3 users not play in the same game? I'm on PC and keep wondering.

FYI, everyone wants a sense of progress and improvement. Adding something that has a new trick, like the krysae, is not in and of itself bad. Trouble is that players do not feel they are working together or on the same side...some get jealous. Instead of nerfing or removing what someone is jealous of, it would be better to make maps and waves make people feel they are glad they have teammates. Right now it just seems a lot of people treat the game as 4 single players sharing a map.

[WandererRTF]

.458 wrote...

FYI, everyone wants a sense of progress and improvement. Adding something that has a new trick, like the krysae, is not in and of itself bad. Trouble is that players do not feel they are working together or on the same side...some get jealous. Instead of nerfing or removing what someone is jealous of, it would be better to make maps and waves make people feel they are glad they have teammates. Right now it just seems a lot of people treat the game as 4 single players sharing a map.

Where on earth do you pick this 'jealous' up? Have you not read what has been posted. People who have used the gun and topped the charts with it hate it. It has nothing to do with being jealous.

Modifié par WandererRTF, 15 juin 2012 - 08:46 .

[WARMACHINE9]

.458 wrote...

Just curious, can PC and XBox and PS3 users not play in the same game? I'm on PC and keep wondering.

FYI, everyone wants a sense of progress and improvement. Adding something that has a new trick, like the krysae, is not in and of itself bad. Trouble is that players do not feel they are working together or on the same side...some get jealous. Instead of nerfing or removing what someone is jealous of, it would be better to make maps and waves make people feel they are glad they have teammates. Right now it just seems a lot of people treat the game as 4 single players sharing a map.

No there isn't cross platform play.  though  if there were a way to do it without the inheirent problems in doing so That would be AWESOME SAUCE.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

WandererRTF wrote...

.458 wrote...

FYI, everyone wants a sense of progress and improvement. Adding something that has a new trick, like the krysae, is not in and of itself bad. Trouble is that players do not feel they are working together or on the same side...some get jealous. Instead of nerfing or removing what someone is jealous of, it would be better to make maps and waves make people feel they are glad they have teammates. Right now it just seems a lot of people treat the game as 4 single players sharing a map.

Where on earth do you pick this 'jealous' up? Have you not read what has been posted. People who have used the gun and topped the charts with it hate it. It has nothing to do with being jealous.

Yeah, I read that like .  His post started off so well too...

[InfamousResult]

Sigh.

I believe everybody is entitled to their opinion, but man, this is the kind of stuff that's going to just give everybody else on this forum an immediate, hated defense against people asking for Balance; and I mean, moreso than there already is.

Not saying that's your intention, I just don't want the backlash.

I don't want the Krysae absolutely pulled from the game. It can be a fun, and useful gun- just like the Falcon ( which, yes, was taken down from it's God's position, but is still a very useful gun if not a bit harder to use than the Krysae, which many people still find plentiful use for in Gold ).

I just don't believe that the tradeoff the gun has right now for damage in comparison to it's AoE radius, it's proximity detonation, and it's stagger effect, is balanced. I believe there can be a better tradeoff.

But I do not agree with this thread.

Modifié par InfamousResult, 15 juin 2012 - 08:56 .