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[Lord Luc1fer]

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Being compeltely serious now, the main reason we can disprove the consensus theory with a different method than one used to disprove ITis the presence of legion in the consensus. Shepard's journey through the consensus is very much a shared one, whereas the grounding for IT is that when shepard comes to after the harbinger beam, we have no company in the same way to ground us in reality. Sure, anderson and TIM are there, but not to start with, so they didn;t enter the hallucination with us and so could be generated in the mind. Legion entered the consensus with us, and as such kept us grounded in the real world.. Feel free to debunk this stuff if you disagree

Mate, dont waste your time explaining anything to this troll.
All he's thinking is"I'm right and everybody else is wrong so i'm going to show all these people that i'm smarterer then them."
All he is,is a troll nothing more.

No! I CAN control them!
/Illusive Man

You can control them?!

YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED!!!

NO! I'M IN CONTROL!

so the illusive man was right after all? I... don't know

Modifié par Lord Luc1fer, 15 juin 2012 - 10:54 .

[Soultaker08]

Grimwick wrote...

Did you miss the bit where THIS NEVER HAPPENED?
Pure 100% speculation proves nothing. there is no justification for this theory and the burden of proof lies on YOU! You can't turn around and say disprove me, that's not how logic works.

Haha did you just shot your own foot?

Modifié par Soultaker08, 15 juin 2012 - 10:55 .

[munnellyladt]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Being compeltely serious now, the main reason we can disprove the consensus theory with a different method than one used to disprove ITis the presence of legion in the consensus. Shepard's journey through the consensus is very much a shared one, whereas the grounding for IT is that when shepard comes to after the harbinger beam, we have no company in the same way to ground us in reality. Sure, anderson and TIM are there, but not to start with, so they didn;t enter the hallucination with us and so could be generated in the mind. Legion entered the consensus with us, and as such kept us grounded in the real world.. Feel free to debunk this stuff if you disagree

Mate, dont waste your time explaining anything to this troll.
All he's thinking is"I'm right and everybody else is wrong so i'm going to show all these people that i'm smarterer then them."
All he is,is a troll nothing more.

No! I CAN control them!
/Illusive Man

You can control them?!

YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED!!!

NO! I'M IN CONTROL!

Fine,i'm just going to talk you into shooting yourself.

OK,here we go,

you should shoot yourself

[Lord Luc1fer]

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Being compeltely serious now, the main reason we can disprove the consensus theory with a different method than one used to disprove ITis the presence of legion in the consensus. Shepard's journey through the consensus is very much a shared one, whereas the grounding for IT is that when shepard comes to after the harbinger beam, we have no company in the same way to ground us in reality. Sure, anderson and TIM are there, but not to start with, so they didn;t enter the hallucination with us and so could be generated in the mind. Legion entered the consensus with us, and as such kept us grounded in the real world.. Feel free to debunk this stuff if you disagree

Mate, dont waste your time explaining anything to this troll.
All he's thinking is"I'm right and everybody else is wrong so i'm going to show all these people that i'm smarterer then them."
All he is,is a troll nothing more.

No! I CAN control them!
/Illusive Man

You can control them?!

YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED!!!

NO! I'M IN CONTROL!

Fine,i'm just going to talk you into shooting yourself.

OK,here we go,

you should shoot yourself

If I spend much longer on this thread I will , don't worry

[munnellyladt]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Being compeltely serious now, the main reason we can disprove the consensus theory with a different method than one used to disprove ITis the presence of legion in the consensus. Shepard's journey through the consensus is very much a shared one, whereas the grounding for IT is that when shepard comes to after the harbinger beam, we have no company in the same way to ground us in reality. Sure, anderson and TIM are there, but not to start with, so they didn;t enter the hallucination with us and so could be generated in the mind. Legion entered the consensus with us, and as such kept us grounded in the real world.. Feel free to debunk this stuff if you disagree

Mate, dont waste your time explaining anything to this troll.
All he's thinking is"I'm right and everybody else is wrong so i'm going to show all these people that i'm smarterer then them."
All he is,is a troll nothing more.

No! I CAN control them!
/Illusive Man

You can control them?!

YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED!!!

NO! I'M IN CONTROL!

Fine,i'm just going to talk you into shooting yourself.

OK,here we go,

you should shoot yourself

If I spend much longer on this thread I will , don't worry

Ha!

[tyrvas]

did I hear a shot go off? no IT can't be.

[Uncle Jo]

Seival wrote...

Joker: Hello, Commander!
Shepard: Hello.
Joker: So, how do you like Geth Consensus?
Shepard: Well, it was... strange. Never had such feelings before.
Joker: Was?
Shepard: Heh?
Joker: Are you really sure you actually quitted the Consensus?
Shepard: Of course I'm sure! I just passed through that...
Joker: ...Through what?
Shepard: Err...
Joker: Commander, did you press "Exit" button?
Shepard: "Exit" bu... LEGION! WHERE IS EXIT BUTTON?
Legion: We don't use buttons, Shepard Commander, they are constructional weakness...
Shepard: O_o... N... N... NNN... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


Epilogue: Dear "IT"ers. Please, try to disprove this. And when you will manage to do so, I will use exactly the same arguments to disprove your own theory.

Thanks in advance

LOL

[KingZayd]

The whole point is that if you get the "how do you know if you're not still in the Geth Consensus?" conversation in game, then it's an entirely plausible scenario.

The same thing applies to being knocked out by Harbinger with a massive laser. How do you know you've woken up? Except, I'd argue, what happens between this conversation and Harbinger knocking you out, makes far more sense than what happens after. So it seems very unlikely that we have in fact woken up at the end, whereas with the Geth Construct, it's more like a 50-50 chance.

Modifié par KingZayd, 15 juin 2012 - 11:56 .

[Shepard Wins]

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Being compeltely serious now, the main reason we can disprove the consensus theory with a different method than one used to disprove ITis the presence of legion in the consensus. Shepard's journey through the consensus is very much a shared one, whereas the grounding for IT is that when shepard comes to after the harbinger beam, we have no company in the same way to ground us in reality. Sure, anderson and TIM are there, but not to start with, so they didn;t enter the hallucination with us and so could be generated in the mind. Legion entered the consensus with us, and as such kept us grounded in the real world.. Feel free to debunk this stuff if you disagree

Mate, dont waste your time explaining anything to this troll.
All he's thinking is"I'm right and everybody else is wrong so i'm going to show all these people that i'm smarterer then them."
All he is,is a troll nothing more.

No! I CAN control them!
/Illusive Man

You can control them?!

YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED!!!

NO! I'M IN CONTROL!

Fine,i'm just going to talk you into shooting yourself.

OK,here we go,

you should shoot yourself

If I spend much longer on this thread I will , don't worry

Ha!

Wait, what did I miss!? Delightful!

[Kem1995]

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Modifié par Kem1995, 16 juin 2012 - 12:07 .

[estebanus]

This thread needs more nukes.

[Uncle Jo]

estebanus wrote...

This thread needs more nukes.

I would advice to let it die slowly....

[BatmanTurian]

This thread needs more cowbell

[Slappy Ya Face]

Here we go again.

[Seival]

Grimwick wrote...

Did you miss the bit where THIS NEVER HAPPENED?
Pure 100% speculation proves nothing. there is no justification for this theory and the burden of proof lies on YOU! You can't turn around and say disprove me, that's not how logic works.

IT theorists have at least provided circumstancial evidence to back up their speculations. You have provided absolutely none.

There's no point in even replying to a thread which is based on making events up.

A nice counter-argument that can be used against "IT"ers absolutely the same way. Thanks

[Seival]

Whisper: I've seen a DreamPlant among the game's assets...
Whisper: It was a sign...
Whisper: Everything what happens now is just a dream...
Whisper: ME3 was not released yet...
Whisper: You just wanted to play the most anticipated game so much, and stuck inside your own illusions...
Yell: WAKE UP, PLAYER!

Modifié par Seival, 16 juin 2012 - 01:44 .

[dreman9999]

This theories dies the moment someone brings up the fact that the mission is optional....

This mission is optional.

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 juin 2012 - 01:54 .

[Seival]

dreman9999 wrote...

This theories dies the moment someone brings up the fact that the mission is optional....

This mission is optional.

You mean this? --->

Seival wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

One question. The Consensus mission is optional and palyers who dont do it get just about the same things for the rest of the game as anyone else.

So i guess the consensus is capable of predicting the future down to gaalxies deepest secrets and greatest events since the same thing happen inside and outside the consensus.

Or to put this in another way, consensus theory, check mate.

No problem, we can rename the thread into something like "Was the Ending a Dream after the beacon hit Shepard in Mass Effect 1". The meaning of the thread will not suffer, but I suppose the name will be to long. So I prefer to keep the current one.

In short: Nice try, but you missed

[jijeebo]

Seival wrote...

Legion: We don't use buttons, Shepard Commander, they are constructional weakness...

LOL omg that is amazing.

[Seival]

jijeebo wrote...

Seival wrote...

Legion: We don't use buttons, Shepard Commander, they are constructional weakness...

LOL omg that is amazing.

Thanks

[SauliusL]

Seival wrote...

Joker: Hello, Commander!
Shepard: Hello.
Joker: So, how do you like Geth Consensus?
Shepard: Well, it was... strange. Never had such feelings before.
Joker: Was?
Shepard: Heh?
Joker: Are you really sure you actually quitted the Consensus?
Shepard: Of course I'm sure! I just passed through that...
Joker: ...Through what?
Shepard: Err...
Joker: Commander, did you press "Exit" button?
Shepard: "Exit" bu... LEGION! WHERE IS EXIT BUTTON?
Legion: We don't use buttons, Shepard Commander, they are constructional weakness...
Shepard: O_o... N... N... NNN... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


Epilogue: Dear "IT"ers. Please, try to disprove this. And when you will manage to do so, I will use exactly the same arguments to disprove your own theory.

Thanks in advance

Actually there is a lot of truth in your idea. And it ADDS to IT
I even think that Geth consensus level was made specially for us to see that we can enter AI with our mind. It's like another hint about the mental battle which might be happening in the end

[Seival]

SauliusL wrote...

Seival wrote...

Joker: Hello, Commander!
Shepard: Hello.
Joker: So, how do you like Geth Consensus?
Shepard: Well, it was... strange. Never had such feelings before.
Joker: Was?
Shepard: Heh?
Joker: Are you really sure you actually quitted the Consensus?
Shepard: Of course I'm sure! I just passed through that...
Joker: ...Through what?
Shepard: Err...
Joker: Commander, did you press "Exit" button?
Shepard: "Exit" bu... LEGION! WHERE IS EXIT BUTTON?
Legion: We don't use buttons, Shepard Commander, they are constructional weakness...
Shepard: O_o... N... N... NNN... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


Epilogue: Dear "IT"ers. Please, try to disprove this. And when you will manage to do so, I will use exactly the same arguments to disprove your own theory.

Thanks in advance

Actually there is a lot of truth in your idea. And it ADDS to IT
I even think that Geth consensus level was made specially for us to see that we can enter AI with our mind. It's like another hint about the mental battle which might be happening in the end

But can't actually exit, becouse some particular robots don't have any idea about UI's usability... Someone please help Shepard to find the "Exit" button

...Yes, everything after Consensus mission didn't really happen.

[D24O]

If Joker steps on my foot in the consensus, and I feel it, does it really cause pain?

[wryterra]

Seival wrote...

Joker: Hello, Commander!
Shepard: Hello.
Joker: So, how do you like Geth Consensus?
Shepard: Well, it was... strange. Never had such feelings before.
Joker: Was?
Shepard: Heh?
Joker: Are you really sure you actually quitted the Consensus?
Shepard: Of course I'm sure! I just passed through that...
Joker: ...Through what?
Shepard: Err...
Joker: Commander, did you press "Exit" button?
Shepard: "Exit" bu... LEGION! WHERE IS EXIT BUTTON?
Legion: We don't use buttons, Shepard Commander, they are constructional weakness...
Shepard: O_o... N... N... NNN... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


Epilogue: Dear "IT"ers. Please, try to disprove this. And when you will manage to do so, I will use exactly the same arguments to disprove your own theory.

Thanks in advance

I'll counter your argument as soon as you offer one. Right now you have a suggestion without any backing. List your evidence that supports the idea, then we can debate whether the evidence is valid or not. 

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

alec1898 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Seival leave them kids alone
Hey! Seival! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

Money is easilly the best Pink Floyd song, and that is all I have to say.

Echoes. That is all.