You know I was wondering about this myself. How does Shepard know that she left the Geth consensus? There was a Polish made movie I saw several years ago called "Avalon" -- talk about a strange ending.
Of course the same **** happens if Shepard doesn't go into the Geth consensus. Going into the Geth consensus is optional. You can go straight to the Reaper base.
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#152
Posté 18 juin 2012 - 10:05
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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
You know I was wondering about this myself. How does Shepard know that she left the Geth consensus? There was a Polish made movie I saw several years ago called "Avalon" -- talk about a strange ending.
Of course the same **** happens if Shepard doesn't go into the Geth consensus. Going into the Geth consensus is optional. You can go straight to the Reaper base.
Joker asks about this too. And the answer is he can't. Also, spoilers
Now I know a bit about this film's ending.He can only know that he's still in the Geth Consensus, if the Geth mess up.
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Posté 19 juin 2012 - 09:10
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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
>>>From the signature
Congratulations to Mac Walters and Casey Hudson for destroying a great franchise in 10 minutes.
Don't you think it's counterproductive to make such signatures?
#154
Posté 19 juin 2012 - 09:53
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Seriously:
Proving the IT is like proving god, we just all interpret different
some say "maybe shepard is indoctrinated, there is so much unclear happening throughout the game"
others say "i will believe everything bioware sais, just to have a good finish to what i have put so much effort in."
But i think he is indoctrinated, cuz there is so much unclear happening throughout the ending,
which makes everything else look like poor writing.
and the example of Seival with the Geth-system: why not? This could be true, just would, even if it is true, be poor writing. It is very unlikely, but why couldnt it be true?
the thing is just: there isnt as much evidence for this, as for indoctrination. there is no proof for it, but there are things that can be interpreted as shepard beind indictrinated, thats why people start thuinking about it. what you said there is just really made up, not based on any ingame content, but surely could be true.
Proving the IT is like proving god, we just all interpret different
some say "maybe shepard is indoctrinated, there is so much unclear happening throughout the game"
others say "i will believe everything bioware sais, just to have a good finish to what i have put so much effort in."
But i think he is indoctrinated, cuz there is so much unclear happening throughout the ending,
which makes everything else look like poor writing.
and the example of Seival with the Geth-system: why not? This could be true, just would, even if it is true, be poor writing. It is very unlikely, but why couldnt it be true?
the thing is just: there isnt as much evidence for this, as for indoctrination. there is no proof for it, but there are things that can be interpreted as shepard beind indictrinated, thats why people start thuinking about it. what you said there is just really made up, not based on any ingame content, but surely could be true.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 01:04
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Since the "IT"ers became too "active" again, I think it would be nice to remind them that "nothing really happened" can be applied to any scene where Shepard looses consciousness. So we can go back to ME1 and see were that "nothing really happened" could be started...
...Absurd can create only more absurd. But you are free to delude yourself further of course.
...Absurd can create only more absurd. But you are free to delude yourself further of course.
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#156
Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 01:37
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So if i never did this mission it still happens, love your logic, though really IT can be disproven as much as it can be proven, this can be disproven by just simply not doing this mission, Even after EC i gotta wonder why the devs, still allow it to exist if it is invalid, hmm...$$$$$$.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 11:21
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It's funny, because my head-canon is actually that the crucible is a VR interface like the Geth one, where you fight the Reapers, allowing the fleet to destroy them in the same way that Sovereign was destroyed - by defeating their consciousnesses, thus leaving their physical forms vulnerable. I use IT to determine how successful you are. If you did something stupid like cooperating with the reapers (Synthesis), you start out with low willpower, and if you lose it before you're done, you become indoctrinated and turned into a reaper. If you do something smart like reject the indoctrination, your willpower is high enough to resist the reapers and you make it all the way through the crucible and destroy the reapers. (Full outline in my signature, fully scripted story coming in a few weeks.)
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 12:49
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Demon560 wrote...
So if i never did this mission it still happens, love your logic, though really IT can be disproven as much as it can be proven, this can be disproven by just simply not doing this mission, Even after EC i gotta wonder why the devs, still allow it to exist if it is invalid, hmm...$$$$$$.
I already answered that several times here. Do you remember how many times Shepard looses consciousness, or enters some virtual reality? She even died once. The ultimate conclusion of "IT" is that "nothing really happened" started right after beacon hit Shepard in ME1. Just because you have no way to prove otherwise.
...So the entire trilogy is just a dream, and Shepard is on Normandy SR1 right now.
...We can go even further. You are dreaming right now. Mass Effect 3 wasn't even released. Wake up!
This is what "IT" really look like. Soon "IT"ers will probably start to hear voices inside their heads and found some kind of cult... No offence, but that is just pathetic.
...And devs still allow "IT" to exist just to give "IT"ers time to change their mind. It would be too harsh to ban all "IT"ers, I believe... But on other hand, that would be a nice way to stop most holy wars on BSN.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 01:15
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daecath wrote...
It's funny, because my head-canon is actually that the crucible is a VR interface like the Geth one, where you fight the Reapers, allowing the fleet to destroy them in the same way that Sovereign was destroyed - by defeating their consciousnesses, thus leaving their physical forms vulnerable. I use IT to determine how successful you are. If you did something stupid like cooperating with the reapers (Synthesis), you start out with low willpower, and if you lose it before you're done, you become indoctrinated and turned into a reaper. If you do something smart like reject the indoctrination, your willpower is high enough to resist the reapers and you make it all the way through the crucible and destroy the reapers. (Full outline in my signature, fully scripted story coming in a few weeks.)
It was clear from the beginning (even before the EC) that conversation with the original Catalyst is mental. There are no "control rods", "pillars of light", or "glass tubes" on the Citadel's sheathing. But mind-control attempt was performed and failed during the conversation with TIM. That was the last thing that completely convinced the original Catalyst that its solution doesn't work anymore. So it decided to help Shepard, and perform an attempt to find the new solution together.
Game doesn't show any proof of "IT". You can only "fan-fic the IT" using some silly arguments like "dream plant" asset name among game resources. "IT" is just one of the ways to spread hate on BSN. "IT"ers are too vocal haters, who want different endings, and refuse to accept current ones (just like "retakers"). My opinion is that such people are trolls and should leave.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 01:22
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The only reason IT believers say that about this particular blackout is because everything stops making sense afterwards. All of Shepard's other blackouts are followed by some sort of logic (arguably, apart from him dying and being resurrected). After Shepard is hit by the beam, everything goes full retard.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 02:42
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Oh, this is new.
A thread created to deliberately try and provoke a section of Mass Efect 3's fans. How original.
Unfortunately, the OP doesn't seem capable of thinking a squence through logically, and appears unable to provide supporting arguments. That's original too.
A thread created to deliberately try and provoke a section of Mass Efect 3's fans. How original.
Unfortunately, the OP doesn't seem capable of thinking a squence through logically, and appears unable to provide supporting arguments. That's original too.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 02:51
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Actually there is plenty of evidence that BioWare planned Indoctrination at one point, though I agree that by the time the game was released, the intention was for the ending to be literal. Any remaining evidence for IT was just leftovers from their original plan that weren't removed.Seival wrote...
daecath wrote...
It's funny, because my head-canon is actually that the crucible is a VR interface like the Geth one, where you fight the Reapers, allowing the fleet to destroy them in the same way that Sovereign was destroyed - by defeating their consciousnesses, thus leaving their physical forms vulnerable. I use IT to determine how successful you are. If you did something stupid like cooperating with the reapers (Synthesis), you start out with low willpower, and if you lose it before you're done, you become indoctrinated and turned into a reaper. If you do something smart like reject the indoctrination, your willpower is high enough to resist the reapers and you make it all the way through the crucible and destroy the reapers. (Full outline in my signature, fully scripted story coming in a few weeks.)
It was clear from the beginning (even before the EC) that conversation with the original Catalyst is mental. There are no "control rods", "pillars of light", or "glass tubes" on the Citadel's sheathing. But mind-control attempt was performed and failed during the conversation with TIM. That was the last thing that completely convinced the original Catalyst that its solution doesn't work anymore. So it decided to help Shepard, and perform an attempt to find the new solution together.
Game doesn't show any proof of "IT". You can only "fan-fic the IT" using some silly arguments like "dream plant" asset name among game resources. "IT" is just one of the ways to spread hate on BSN. "IT"ers are too vocal haters, who want different endings, and refuse to accept current ones (just like "retakers"). My opinion is that such people are trolls and should leave.
As for "retakers" and "ITers" being trolls who should leave, no. Some may be, but most are fans who have legitimate concerns and criticisms with the game in general and the ending in particular, and have every right to express those concerns as dissatisfied paying customers of BioWare.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 03:52
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daecath wrote...
Actually there is plenty of evidence that BioWare planned Indoctrination at one point, though I agree that by the time the game was released, the intention was for the ending to be literal. Any remaining evidence for IT was just leftovers from their original plan that weren't removed.Seival wrote...
daecath wrote...
It's funny, because my head-canon is actually that the crucible is a VR interface like the Geth one, where you fight the Reapers, allowing the fleet to destroy them in the same way that Sovereign was destroyed - by defeating their consciousnesses, thus leaving their physical forms vulnerable. I use IT to determine how successful you are. If you did something stupid like cooperating with the reapers (Synthesis), you start out with low willpower, and if you lose it before you're done, you become indoctrinated and turned into a reaper. If you do something smart like reject the indoctrination, your willpower is high enough to resist the reapers and you make it all the way through the crucible and destroy the reapers. (Full outline in my signature, fully scripted story coming in a few weeks.)
It was clear from the beginning (even before the EC) that conversation with the original Catalyst is mental. There are no "control rods", "pillars of light", or "glass tubes" on the Citadel's sheathing. But mind-control attempt was performed and failed during the conversation with TIM. That was the last thing that completely convinced the original Catalyst that its solution doesn't work anymore. So it decided to help Shepard, and perform an attempt to find the new solution together.
Game doesn't show any proof of "IT". You can only "fan-fic the IT" using some silly arguments like "dream plant" asset name among game resources. "IT" is just one of the ways to spread hate on BSN. "IT"ers are too vocal haters, who want different endings, and refuse to accept current ones (just like "retakers"). My opinion is that such people are trolls and should leave.
As for "retakers" and "ITers" being trolls who should leave, no. Some may be, but most are fans who have legitimate concerns and criticisms with the game in general and the ending in particular, and have every right to express those concerns as dissatisfied paying customers of BioWare.
BioWare will never disappoint fans to please a bunch of vocal haters. Just because haters will keep hating even after they were pleased. Such people will always find something to hate. "Plans about IT" exist only in "IT"ers' broken imagination.
Fans accept a story even if they don't like its ending. People who start asking to change some part of the a story are haters and trolls. They don't care that things they ask will disappoint the fans. Haters and trolls always think they would write a story better than the professional writers. And I wonder why BioWare still tolerate such behavior on BSN... I guess the rumors aren't lying. Canadians are just very kind and polite people... Too kind in my opinion.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 04:02
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Then why don't you come the IT thread right now. If you want to talk about IT there, then I will be waiting. Also yes we are active again because we want a challenge. We need more people trying to appose use, so we can see were we are strong at, and were we are weak.
So I don't understand everyones hate for IT, but I will ask you this.
Why do you hate IT.
" Oh because it bs. It just sucks. Your all Zealots. It will make the endings even worse. It been disproven. So long as IT stays as a theory and nothing more, then it's okay."
I mean come on people these are your agruments against IT. If you want to disprove us, then do some speculating on why IT is wrong. We will be waiting if you want to challenge us, but I will keep record of how many times you say all of these qoutes above just to show you that's your answer.
So I don't understand everyones hate for IT, but I will ask you this.
Why do you hate IT.
" Oh because it bs. It just sucks. Your all Zealots. It will make the endings even worse. It been disproven. So long as IT stays as a theory and nothing more, then it's okay."
I mean come on people these are your agruments against IT. If you want to disprove us, then do some speculating on why IT is wrong. We will be waiting if you want to challenge us, but I will keep record of how many times you say all of these qoutes above just to show you that's your answer.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 04:29
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Then why don't you come the IT thread right now. If you want to talk about IT there, then I will be waiting. Also yes we are active again because we want a challenge. We need more people trying to appose use, so we can see were we are strong at, and were we are weak.
So I don't understand everyones hate for IT, but I will ask you this.
Why do you hate IT.
" Oh because it bs. It just sucks. Your all Zealots. It will make the endings even worse. It been disproven. So long as IT stays as a theory and nothing more, then it's okay."
I mean come on people these are your agruments against IT. If you want to disprove us, then do some speculating on why IT is wrong. We will be waiting if you want to challenge us, but I will keep record of how many times you say all of these qoutes above just to show you that's your answer.
Why don't I come to the "IT" thread right now? Maybe because unlike most of "IT"ers and other kind of haters I don't have desire to hijack someone else threads?
I don't hate "IT" or "IT"ers. And I actually respect their opinion. They created a very funny fan-fiction. But I can't tolerate people who start talking about a parody seriously. "IT" is absurd. And absurd can be nice only if it's just a joke. Otherwise, it becomes a nonsense which can't be tolerated.
Actually, I have a very nice idea. All "IT" threads and debates should be moved to fan-fiction section of the forums. "IT" is clearly a fan-fiction. So I don't really understand why people discuss it here.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 04:31
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Hey if it's Fan theory, then why is it not in the Fan Theory Forum, oh wait other people have tried, but Chris said no.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 04:56
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I think that all fan-fiction threads have to be moved to fan-fiction forums no matter how are they popular.
Maybe if "IT"ers will remain too "active" and will keep hijacking support threads, it will become much easier to convince moderators to move all "IT" discussions to fan-fic section of the forums?
..."IT"ers' "overflowed activity" is really insulting to me and many other people. Something has to be done, because it gets really annoying.
Maybe if "IT"ers will remain too "active" and will keep hijacking support threads, it will become much easier to convince moderators to move all "IT" discussions to fan-fic section of the forums?
..."IT"ers' "overflowed activity" is really insulting to me and many other people. Something has to be done, because it gets really annoying.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 05:08
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Oh well that depends because I only asked you questions, and you bite back with posion, and you proved my point.
Your answer is to move the IT thread to fan fiction. No arguments, or debatin, and I asked you if you wanted to disscues IT on theIT thread, but you said no. Also we didn't hijack anything. It' your thread, but well only wanted you to challenge us.
You didn't rise up to it so we moved on to find some one to challenege us. Also just to be clear if your not considering the fact that Harbinger wanted Shepard's mind since ME2, then what do you think about Control is.
Shepard's mind is transported into a Reaper just like Harbinger wanted.
" Struggle if you wish your mind will be mine."
Your answer is to move the IT thread to fan fiction. No arguments, or debatin, and I asked you if you wanted to disscues IT on theIT thread, but you said no. Also we didn't hijack anything. It' your thread, but well only wanted you to challenge us.
You didn't rise up to it so we moved on to find some one to challenege us. Also just to be clear if your not considering the fact that Harbinger wanted Shepard's mind since ME2, then what do you think about Control is.
Shepard's mind is transported into a Reaper just like Harbinger wanted.
" Struggle if you wish your mind will be mine."
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 05:09
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Here's a tip, Seival: Take Chris Priestly's advice.Seival wrote...
I think that all fan-fiction threads have to be moved to fan-fiction forums no matter how are they popular.
Maybe if "IT"ers will remain too "active" and will keep hijacking support threads, it will become much easier to convince moderators to move all "IT" discussions to fan-fic section of the forums?
..."IT"ers' "overflowed activity" is really insulting to me and many other people. Something has to be done, because it gets really annoying.
Because by clogging up the forum with blatant troll threads deliberately trying to provoke a reaction, you're making yourself look like a child.Chris Priestly wrote...
Anyone who does not like the IT or thinks it not to be correct is STRONGLY enouraged to stay away from discussion on it."
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 05:20
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Oh well that depends because I only asked you questions, and you bite back with posion, and you proved my point.
I only proved that I take "IT" as a personal insult (when some people start to talk about the "IT" seriously). I hope now you understand my attitude to the theory completely? I can tolerate it only as a parody, nothing more.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 05:24
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Yet your argument is to move IT to the Fan forum, and that'z is your only answer you have against IT. You again tried to turn my question around. If you like IT, then why do you want it to go into the Fan forums, and again people tried to move, but it is here to STAY.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 05:40
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Seival wrote...
Demon560 wrote...
So if i never did this mission it still happens, love your logic, though really IT can be disproven as much as it can be proven, this can be disproven by just simply not doing this mission, Even after EC i gotta wonder why the devs, still allow it to exist if it is invalid, hmm...$$$$$$.
I already answered that several times here. Do you remember how many times Shepard looses consciousness, or enters some virtual reality? She even died once. The ultimate conclusion of "IT" is that "nothing really happened" started right after beacon hit Shepard in ME1. Just because you have no way to prove otherwise.
...So the entire trilogy is just a dream, and Shepard is on Normandy SR1 right now.
...We can go even further. You are dreaming right now. Mass Effect 3 wasn't even released. Wake up!
This is what "IT" really look like. Soon "IT"ers will probably start to hear voices inside their heads and found some kind of cult... No offence, but that is just pathetic.
...And devs still allow "IT" to exist just to give "IT"ers time to change their mind. It would be too harsh to ban all "IT"ers, I believe... But on other hand, that would be a nice way to stop most holy wars on BSN.
So Shepard is in a dream after touching the Beacon or when ever they enter Virtual Reality, it kind of sounds like IT, but is missing the fun videos, documentaries, and other so called evidence, IT may be grasping at straws, but it was an interesting interpretation of what could've happened after Harby's beam, aahh the documentaries, you should make a parody documentary video on this, because even though IT is a theory based on desperation, they are very creative when it comes to evidence.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 05:45
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Yet your argument is to move IT to the Fan forum, and that'z is your only answer you have against IT. You again tried to turn my question around. If you like IT, then why do you want it to go into the Fan forums, and again people tried to move, but it is here to STAY.
Moving "IT" to fan-fiction forums (where it belongs) make sense, and doesn't mean closing it.
"IT"ers discussing something that "didn't really happen in game". Which means they discussing a fan-fiction. And you thread should be created in fan-fiction section at first place.
The reason it's still here is simple. It's better to keep haters in one separate place (i.e. one popular enough thread). All "IT"ers used to this thread's location, "so let's keep it here". But that will work only while haters don't go out of line. The more you annoy fans, the higher the probability that "IT" discussions will be moved or become prohibited.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 05:46
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Demon then come to the IT thread, and let's talk about IT if you want.
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Posté 30 septembre 2012 - 05:46
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If it belongs there then make a thread on here to do it then sevial.
