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[masster blaster]

Also have you ever been to the IT thread, and have discussed IT with use, or even go indepth with IT. Also if IT is in thegame, then it's not fan fiction.

[ElSuperGecko]

Seival wrote...
"IT"ers discussing something that "didn't really happen in game"...

Absolute hogwash.  Couldn't be any further from the truth.

The vast majority of the IT thread is taken up by looking, analysing and discussing actual in game events, be they codex entries, cut scenes, gameplay, conversations with allies or enemies and previous lre from the series and speculating on what they mean in terms of the game's endings.

There's more actual discussion of what happens in Mass Effect 3 in the IT thread than pretty much any other thread on the forum.

What you're saying is simply "I don't like it, I don't accept it, so I don't want to see it."  And there's a solution to that, you know - ignore it.

[Fedi.St]

Was the whole game a hallucination since the first vision from eden prime? Whoaaaa.

what the hell people WHAT THE HELL

[Demon560]

@ Blaster-might sometime later.

@Seival- Let it go you can't win, IT is just an interpretation of the ending, not the whole series and bashing IT is like bashing on headcanon, a persons view of how the game ends, if you want to complain against what some believe is a proper ending, very deep, or a completely different view of the endings, then you can blame Bioware for creating a game that allows for a wide variety of interpretation.

Casey did want a lot of Speculation, unless of course your against Speculation and different views on certain matters other then your own, if you want to continue with this then go ahead, but find a better example, If i take it seriously then ME2 and ME3 are virtual reality to and therefore it doesn't matter because the story is going forward with Shep in virtual Reality and everything is focused on this reality not the one outside, IT though is open because their is no ME4 yet, the ending is just so vague, and nothing after the breath scene, if this is clarified or addressed in the future then it will, until then IT is a valid interpretation of the endings.

[dreamgazer]

Eh, at least the Bowie and Intoxication Theories have drinks and good music. All this has is spite, and an OP who might want to look a little closer at their own threads before decreeing that interpretations mixed with fan-fiction should be banished from this section of the BSN.

[Seival]

Demon560 wrote...

@ Blaster-might sometime later.

@Seival- Let it go you can't win, IT is just an interpretation of the ending, not the whole series and bashing IT is like bashing on headcanon, a persons view of how the game ends, if you want to complain against what some believe is a proper ending, very deep, or a completely different view of the endings, then you can blame Bioware for creating a game that allows for a wide variety of interpretation.

Casey did want a lot of Speculation, unless of course your against Speculation and different views on certain matters other then your own, if you want to continue with this then go ahead, but find a better example, If i take it seriously then ME2 and ME3 are virtual reality to and therefore it doesn't matter because the story is going forward with Shep in virtual Reality and everything is focused on this reality not the one outside, IT though is open because their is no ME4 yet, the ending is just so vague, and nothing after the breath scene, if this is clarified or addressed in the future then it will, until then IT is a valid interpretation of the endings.

Interpretation based on what really happened in the story is just an interpretation.

Interpretation based on "something that didn't really happen in the story" is a fan-fiction.

[BansheeOwnage]

Seival wrote...

Demon560 wrote...

@ Blaster-might sometime later.

@Seival- Let it go you can't win, IT is just an interpretation of the ending, not the whole series and bashing IT is like bashing on headcanon, a persons view of how the game ends, if you want to complain against what some believe is a proper ending, very deep, or a completely different view of the endings, then you can blame Bioware for creating a game that allows for a wide variety of interpretation.

Casey did want a lot of Speculation, unless of course your against Speculation and different views on certain matters other then your own, if you want to continue with this then go ahead, but find a better example, If i take it seriously then ME2 and ME3 are virtual reality to and therefore it doesn't matter because the story is going forward with Shep in virtual Reality and everything is focused on this reality not the one outside, IT though is open because their is no ME4 yet, the ending is just so vague, and nothing after the breath scene, if this is clarified or addressed in the future then it will, until then IT is a valid interpretation of the endings.

Interpretation based on what really happened in the story is just an interpretation.

Interpretation based on "something that didn't really happen in the story" is a fan-fiction.

According to Bioware it's not fanfiction. Regardless of what Bioware said though, I can prove it isn't.
Fanfiction involves created or imagined aspects that add to the story. Since IT does not create or imagine anything, it is an interpretation, not fanfiction. No getting around that. Just because you saw something one way, does not mean others did. "We are many eyes looking at the same things. One platform will see things another does not and will make different judgements."

[Hrothdane]

Seival wrote...

Demon560 wrote...

@ Blaster-might sometime later.

@Seival- Let it go you can't win, IT is just an interpretation of the ending, not the whole series and bashing IT is like bashing on headcanon, a persons view of how the game ends, if you want to complain against what some believe is a proper ending, very deep, or a completely different view of the endings, then you can blame Bioware for creating a game that allows for a wide variety of interpretation.

Casey did want a lot of Speculation, unless of course your against Speculation and different views on certain matters other then your own, if you want to continue with this then go ahead, but find a better example, If i take it seriously then ME2 and ME3 are virtual reality to and therefore it doesn't matter because the story is going forward with Shep in virtual Reality and everything is focused on this reality not the one outside, IT though is open because their is no ME4 yet, the ending is just so vague, and nothing after the breath scene, if this is clarified or addressed in the future then it will, until then IT is a valid interpretation of the endings.

Interpretation based on what really happened in the story is just an interpretation.

Interpretation based on "something that didn't really happen in the story" is a fan-fiction.

We base our speculation on evidence from within the story. The game itself establishes situations in which what Shepard and the player see is not real and tells us and shows us that indoctrination causes hallucinations.

If you don't like it, you can go back to self-bumping your own threads for the upteenth time.

[Seival]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seival wrote...

Demon560 wrote...

@ Blaster-might sometime later.

@Seival- Let it go you can't win, IT is just an interpretation of the ending, not the whole series and bashing IT is like bashing on headcanon, a persons view of how the game ends, if you want to complain against what some believe is a proper ending, very deep, or a completely different view of the endings, then you can blame Bioware for creating a game that allows for a wide variety of interpretation.

Casey did want a lot of Speculation, unless of course your against Speculation and different views on certain matters other then your own, if you want to continue with this then go ahead, but find a better example, If i take it seriously then ME2 and ME3 are virtual reality to and therefore it doesn't matter because the story is going forward with Shep in virtual Reality and everything is focused on this reality not the one outside, IT though is open because their is no ME4 yet, the ending is just so vague, and nothing after the breath scene, if this is clarified or addressed in the future then it will, until then IT is a valid interpretation of the endings.

Interpretation based on what really happened in the story is just an interpretation.

Interpretation based on "something that didn't really happen in the story" is a fan-fiction.

According to Bioware it's not fanfiction. Regardless of what Bioware said though, I can prove it isn't.
Fanfiction involves created or imagined aspects that add to the story. Since IT does not create or imagine anything, it is an interpretation, not fanfiction. No getting around that. Just because you saw something one way, does not mean others did. "We are many eyes looking at the same things. One platform will see things another does not and will make different judgements."

"IT" is all about imagining something that didn't really happen in the stroy. And "IT" thread was left here by a mistake. It was even closed several times for off-topic. But vocal haters are vocal haters. They always start their vocal hate again. Moreiver, they would keep their vocal hate even if "IT" was implemented. Such people don't really care about what to hate, they just enjoy the hating process. That's why devs never follow such people "suggestions".

[Bill Casey]

Synthesis may be virtual reality...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:15 .

[spotlessvoid]

Hrothdane!

Drat. I have to get this yard work done. Hope all's well

[Bill Casey]

In fact, I'm pretty sure the ending from the beam onward being similar to Shepard entering the Geth consensus is already a theory...

It's a theory I welcome...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:19 .

[Seival]

Bill Casey wrote...

Synthesis may be virtual reality...

Real life also may be virtual reality...

...Wait, I think I've got it. All "IT"ers are just Matrix fans hired by someone to troll-down BSN

Modifié par Seival, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:21 .

[ElSuperGecko]

Seival wrote...
"IT" is all about imagining something that didn't really happen in the stroy. And "IT" thread was left here by a mistake. It was even closed several times for off-topic. But vocal haters are vocal haters. They always start their vocal hate again. Moreiver, they would keep their vocal hate even if "IT" was implemented. Such people don't really care about what to hate, they just enjoy the hating process. That's why devs never follow such people "suggestions".

LOL. What exacltly are "IT'er's" (stereotype much?) supposed to be "hating" on again?  The only "hate" I'm seeing here is coming from you.

[Bill Casey]

No seriously...
It would explain a lot in Synthesis...
Like the claims of eliminating poverty, disease and overpopulation...
Like Keiji being a real boy...
(Kasumi is often chastised for spending all of her time in a virtual world)

The green circuitry overlay, also used in the Geth consensus mission...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:24 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Seival wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seival wrote...

Demon560 wrote...

@ Blaster-might sometime later.

@Seival- Let it go you can't win, IT is just an interpretation of the ending, not the whole series and bashing IT is like bashing on headcanon, a persons view of how the game ends, if you want to complain against what some believe is a proper ending, very deep, or a completely different view of the endings, then you can blame Bioware for creating a game that allows for a wide variety of interpretation.

Casey did want a lot of Speculation, unless of course your against Speculation and different views on certain matters other then your own, if you want to continue with this then go ahead, but find a better example, If i take it seriously then ME2 and ME3 are virtual reality to and therefore it doesn't matter because the story is going forward with Shep in virtual Reality and everything is focused on this reality not the one outside, IT though is open because their is no ME4 yet, the ending is just so vague, and nothing after the breath scene, if this is clarified or addressed in the future then it will, until then IT is a valid interpretation of the endings.

Interpretation based on what really happened in the story is just an interpretation.

Interpretation based on "something that didn't really happen in the story" is a fan-fiction.

According to Bioware it's not fanfiction. Regardless of what Bioware said though, I can prove it isn't.
Fanfiction involves created or imagined aspects that add to the story. Since IT does not create or imagine anything, it is an interpretation, not fanfiction. No getting around that. Just because you saw something one way, does not mean others did. "We are many eyes looking at the same things. One platform will see things another does not and will make different judgements."

"IT" is all about imagining something that didn't really happen in the stroy. And "IT" thread was left here by a mistake. It was even closed several times for off-topic. But vocal haters are vocal haters. They always start their vocal hate again. Moreiver, they would keep their vocal hate even if "IT" was implemented. Such people don't really care about what to hate, they just enjoy the hating process. That's why devs never follow such people "suggestions".

Don't try to tell us what our own theory is about. There is no imagining. We just see the same thing differently. If you don't understand that, well then there is little hope for you. And the thread was closed once for off-topic, then we were invited to re-open it. If you're going to try to argue something, at least try to have your facts straight. This just makes you look holpelessly underinformed.

@Hrothdane Hello! Haven't seen you in a while.

[AresKeith]

Bill Casey wrote...

No seriously...
It would explain a lot in Synthesis...
Like the claims of eliminating poverty, disease and overpopulation...
Like Keiji being a real boy...
(Kasumi is often chastised for spending all of her time in a virtual world)

The green circuitry overlay, also used in the Geth consensus mission...

they got sent to the Matrix

[Bill Casey]

Seival wrote...

...Wait, I think I've got it. All "IT"ers are just Matrix fans hired by someone to troll-down BSN

Does that include Mac Walters?

[Seival]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Seival wrote...
"IT" is all about imagining something that didn't really happen in the stroy. And "IT" thread was left here by a mistake. It was even closed several times for off-topic. But vocal haters are vocal haters. They always start their vocal hate again. Moreiver, they would keep their vocal hate even if "IT" was implemented. Such people don't really care about what to hate, they just enjoy the hating process. That's why devs never follow such people "suggestions".

LOL. What exacltly are "IT'er's" (stereotype much?) supposed to be "hating" on again?  The only "hate" I'm seeing here is coming from you.

"IT"ers show hate towards the current endings and want them to be remade like they want to, which is inacceptable. Also, most of "IT"ers show that they don't have any respect to the rest of the players.

I only show my disagreement with "IT". No hate comes from me. I support the endings as they are, and that is very positive attitude.

[Bill Casey]

lol, nope...
The ending is IT. You're supposed to speculate on it...
IT is as valid as taking everything at face value...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:48 .

[ElSuperGecko]

Seival wrote...
"IT"ers show hate towards the current endings and want them to be remade like they want to, which is inacceptable. Also, most of "IT"ers show that they don't have any respect to the rest of the players.

I follow the Indoctrination Theory, and I quite like the endings.  Because they make me think about the game, what I've seen, what the developer's intentions were, and form my own conclusions and ideas.

I don't want to see the endings remade, and I don't know many people who do.  I - and every "IT'er" I've had the good fortune to talk to, just want to understand the game and the story.

Where are you getting this from?

I only show my disagreement with "IT". No hate comes from me. I support the endings as they are, and that is very positive attitude.

Looking at this topic - which appears to be a deliberate attempt to prove other forum users - would seem to suggest differently.  It's putting you in a bad light.  If you disagree with or dislike IT so much, why even post about it at all?

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:47 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Seival wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

LOL. What exacltly are "IT'er's" (stereotype much?) supposed to be "hating" on again?  The only "hate" I'm seeing here is coming from you.

"IT"ers show hate towards the current endings and want them to be remade like they want to, which is inacceptable. Also, most of "IT"ers show that they don't have any respect to the rest of the players.

I only show my disagreement with "IT". No hate comes from me. I support the endings as they are, and that is very positive attitude.

Stop telling us what we think! Don't tell us what our goals are! We seem to be about the only ones who don't bash the ending, because we see it differently. Through that lense, it's great! But we do want more. The IT thread, however, is not a pretition. If you say it is, you're wrong. No way around that. So stop embarassing yourself.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:48 .

[Argolas]

Fedi.St wrote...

Was the whole game a hallucination since the first vision from eden prime? Whoaaaa.

After Anderson talked to Udina about Shepard, he went to sleep and dreamed. "What would Shepard do if...."
That´s how Mass Effect started.

Modifié par Argolas, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:49 .

[Bill Casey]

The ending to Mass Effect 3 is the most brilliant thing I've seen to anything ever...
Why would you change perfection?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 30 septembre 2012 - 07:52 .

[Demon560]

Seival wrote...

Demon560 wrote...

@ Blaster-might sometime later.

@Seival- Let it go you can't win, IT is just an interpretation of the ending, not the whole series and bashing IT is like bashing on headcanon, a persons view of how the game ends, if you want to complain against what some believe is a proper ending, very deep, or a completely different view of the endings, then you can blame Bioware for creating a game that allows for a wide variety of interpretation.

Casey did want a lot of Speculation, unless of course your against Speculation and different views on certain matters other then your own, if you want to continue with this then go ahead, but find a better example, If i take it seriously then ME2 and ME3 are virtual reality to and therefore it doesn't matter because the story is going forward with Shep in virtual Reality and everything is focused on this reality not the one outside, IT though is open because their is no ME4 yet, the ending is just so vague, and nothing after the breath scene, if this is clarified or addressed in the future then it will, until then IT is a valid interpretation of the endings.

Interpretation based on what really happened in the story is just an interpretation.

Interpretation based on "something that didn't really happen in the story" is a fan-fiction.

So you know without a doubt IT is not valid and that the writers never actually had this or something similar in mind.  If you are not a dev, then you can neither validate or invalidate an opinion of why something is the way it is. I can see why some view the choise as possible traps by the catalyst to indoctrinate the player, since before all this anything having to do with views of control or working with the Reapers have ended not so well, ask TIM, Levi's, and Saren how working with them has turned out.

This is also, after all the choise have been made, the breath scene should have been handled better to prevent somtheing like this from happening, but they still didn't fix it, If i think Shepard gets out of the Rubble and Survives in destroy, what's the difference with someone thinking that Shepard got out of Harby's Indoctrination attempt after it failed to change the goal of Sheps mission to destroy the reapers, they both happen after the ending, Shep surviving after all that is left to you, he lives, but does he survive, again just the way i think it ended nothing more, the Devs don't say no he died or yes he survives and lives happily ever after, the path after the breath scene is left up to your imagination.

So again if you think the ending was a test of Shepard's sbility to stay the course and destroy the reapers no matter what, then ok interesting view, if you Think it's all a virtual reality for your hero cool, and if you think the Catalyst isn't able to with hold information, then again ok. To each his own, IT tries to what some of us consider bad writing, and last i checked that is an interpretation. Again IT is a theory/interpretation of why the endings are the way they are nothing more, if you think trying to justify someone else bad writing is wrong then you are either pushing people against the endings or trying to get them to accept the flaws, but this usually leads to the former.

Just my opinion